soulassssns
Banned
It is my way of attempting to keep an open mind.
attempting is clearly the key word and I am failing.
No need to get defensive buddy
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Major Nelson: Can play used games on different Xbox w/o fee but in your profile only
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It is my way of attempting to keep an open mind.
attempting is clearly the key word and I am failing.
No need to get defensive buddy
I haven't seen this posted yet, but I wanted to add this in case anyone forgets.
With Steam, you can also upgrade your computer and still play all your old games (Steam or otherwise).
digoutyoursoul
Member
So the rental services will go to shit if PS4 joins in?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Yeah, no.
link1201
Member
If that is the case that would help digest this...but I really wish we had more info...
Lee Chaolan
Member
likedamaster
Member
Why don't I see this as a big deal? I've been doing this for ages on PC. Steam has been like this forever since 2004, I think. This was the inevitable evolution to how games were going to be played anyway, console or not. Not to mention, games play better off the HDD to begin with.
And if I remember correctly, just yesterday we were discussing hopefully putting a stop to Gamestop profiting off of used sales. Now all of a sudden we're back to wanting used games now? Can't call flip-flopping when we're doing it too. Gaf you crazy.
And if I remember correctly, just yesterday we were discussing hopefully putting a stop to Gamestop profiting off of used sales. Now all of a sudden we're back to wanting used games now? Can't call flip-flopping when we're doing it too. Gaf you crazy.
indigo-cyclops
Member
Rentals are dead, I'd wager.
Knux-Future
Banned
Then I will play less games outside of the sure things or my favorites. I can't risk spending 60-70 bucks on a shit game...so I will either wait for sales (which will often mean the game has bombed or been out for a while) or not risk it at all.
And I wager others will too.
I relaize that piracy is bad and that used games technically cost companies money...but rentals? naw son. That has been a godsend since I got into games. DECADES ago.
Microsoft (and Sony if they do it too) should have just gone to DD only..it's a lot easier to swallow then.
I hope this backfires hard on these fools...but it won't because we are whores lol.
So, three options
1) Bring my Xbox to my friend's house
2) Copy my profile to a flashdrive and take it to my friend's house
3) Recover my account from friend's Xbox
Ugh....
Or you know what, assholes? Why not just let me take my fucking disc to his house and play it on his system, you know, like every other console every made?
Just like Joe said, this destroys the advantage that consoles once had over PCs. You might as well say fuck it, and stay on your PC.
1) Bring my Xbox to my friend's house
2) Copy my profile to a flashdrive and take it to my friend's house
3) Recover my account from friend's Xbox
Ugh....
Or you know what, assholes? Why not just let me take my fucking disc to his house and play it on his system, you know, like every other console every made?
Just like Joe said, this destroys the advantage that consoles once had over PCs. You might as well say fuck it, and stay on your PC.
indigo-cyclops
Member
Totally with you; seems like rentals will fall under the same category as used games. If anything you'll be paying much more than a normal rental fee to play the game because it will need to be activated. But maybe I'm understanding the process wrong. We'll see.
mightynine
Member
Because that's a massive sea change to the current ecosystem, where buying a physical copy of the game meant I bought the game, not the permission to play it.
Quadraphonic
Member
The original Xbox no longer connects online.
Once Microsoft kills off the Xbox One library in 10 years, absolutely ZERO of your games will work. At all. In any way.
There is no aftermarket. There's no booting it up for nostalgia's sake. There's no trading with friends. There's no buying them at a secondhand thrift store.
Your content is 100% tied to the digital world Microsoft has made. There's no offline play.
Get your gamertag hacked or banned? Your entire library of discs is now worth zero dollars. Go on. Find out how many people here have had their accounts hacked. It's not a trivial number.
And you can't give the games to your kids, either. Those purchases are tied to YOUR gamertag. Sure, they can use them on your console, but if they grow up and leave, they can never have their own console. You can't simply give them the game. It's not your property anymore. The disc is WORTHLESS data. You have no rights anymore.
Anybody listening to Microsoft backpedalling right now should be insulted. This system is crystal clear how it will work and MS is doing their best to confuse people long enough to buy the console and find out how fucked up it is first hand.
"Oh, your friend can use it if you go over and sign in your gamertag" is confirmation that you no longer own anything. And next gen, these games won't work either.
I never said otherwise. It does seem to be a big change for physical games. We don't know their detailed plans yet for people giving away or selling their games though. What Phil Harrison was trying to say is that the disc is worthless and you can use the disc or install online and the system sees no difference. You can't give away your disc after you install the game and expect it to keep working as it gets passed around. Their system for placating people who are selling or otherwise disassociating themselves with the copy is unannounced. It might be terrible, but it isn't the "fee" going around the news
hooijdonk17
Member
Steam's benefits;
It works on an open system, meaning it is open to competition from other distribution channels and distribution media, including physical discs.
It supports modding, it has sizable and useful communities.
It's FREE.
It is not OWNED by a conglomerate and does not report to a Board of Assholes, I mean, Directors. It does not fuck you out of incentive mismatches.
It has an indefinitely accessible offline mode.
It does not have intrusive and abusive advertising.
It has good pricing and out of this world sales.
It has indefinite backwards compatibility.
It has a decent GUI for both comfycouching and pro-user tasks.
Off the top of my mind, first things that come to mind. XONE is NOTHING like Steam.
shinra-bansho
Member
Microsoft really needs to get a consistent message together. It's not like they didn't have forever to prepare for this and their PR has been terrible post-reveal.
Why is everybody on an entirely different page with their responses when there should be a stock response?
Why is everybody on an entirely different page with their responses when there should be a stock response?
NemesisPrime
Banned
Yup... Valve can just port everything to X1 now
Now you are just being silly TBH.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
TBH i am shocked of how amateurish MS´s PR is at handling this announcement. They had plenty of time to rehearse, and figure out how to spin this disaster.
Miles Quaritch
Member
So this is how the current XBLA set up works right?
I guess that's better than nothing, still rather annoying that you can't taker your disc based games round to a mates and just have them work.
I guess that's better than nothing, still rather annoying that you can't taker your disc based games round to a mates and just have them work.
shinra-bansho
Member
I'm currently confused about whether as with digital purchases on the PS3 right now, the installed XBO game can be played by other profiles on the same system.
My sister and I were sharing a PS3 when we lived together. She could play Rayman I bought; I could play Fat Princess she bought. I could even play her PS+ content on my own account (which was actually for a different region's PSN) without a subscription.
If, IF, Sony decide to also implement and/or allow publishers to implement similar systems on the PS4 - which right now is just insinuation - I would hope that it works like the PS3 - i.e. you just need the owner account on the system to play.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Since the games for Xbox One are locked to account and doesn't require disc...
Will Microsoft ask you to uninstall the game you just sold? Would both the buyers and the seller be forced to do that operation? Is this going to turn into as organized as selling your used car?
I personally believe they'll ask you to either uninstall it, or ask the new owner of your disc to pay up the complete MSRP price of the game. This could turn into a very shitty situation.
Will Microsoft ask you to uninstall the game you just sold? Would both the buyers and the seller be forced to do that operation? Is this going to turn into as organized as selling your used car?
I personally believe they'll ask you to either uninstall it, or ask the new owner of your disc to pay up the complete MSRP price of the game. This could turn into a very shitty situation.
So it still blocks used game right? You can't trade it in because the person who will buy your copy won't have your account. And if you want to lend it to a mate, he/she will need your account to play it! And of course they won't allow multiple IP to sign into one account right?
Just stop explaining, MS.
Just stop explaining, MS.
Pretty much.
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Deleted member 1235
Unconfirmed Member
1. No. Not like the 360, you have my halo disk you play halo no issues
2. see 1
3. your son will need to buy the game. 1 game is tied to 1 account.
shinra-bansho
Member
This is actually the part that no one seems to have tried to confirm and/or caught onto.
I think it's as big an issue, maybe bigger, as the used game issue or lending issue.
hooijdonk17
Member
It MIGHT work like the way it works on the 360; If the original purchasing account of the installed software is deployed on the console it was purchased on, it might work on all accounts.
Playing it on another console with the same account, or playing it on the same console with another account should work.
I may be being optimistic, but that's how it currently works with XBL DLC, and that's how it should work.
Nocturno999
Member
And you are also lending some sensitive information like a password, maybe C.C info...
shinra-bansho
Member
Is there a limit to how many systems this is possible on with XBL accounts. I believe it's two, originally five, for PSN accounts.
rockman zx
Member
Not good enough for me, I trade games with my friends all the time.
we.are.the.armada
Member
So, you're telling me that I can take my disc to my bro's place and play it there but I have to log into my account? Why? To verify against my product code or something?
How does this work with Redbox or Gamefly?
How does this work with Redbox or Gamefly?
Miles Quaritch
Member
Traditional renting perhaps. Digital renting will undoubtedly take its place.
hooijdonk17
Member
I'm just saying this is how it works with all content downloaded from XBL at the moment, so if they did not overhaul the DRM, that's how it should work, and it sounds in line with what we know now. It gives the account and console permission to run the DLC.
Basically, it will go one step further and treat all software installs as DLC content - so once you install a disc content, it will still download a permission file from XBL to access that install. That permission file will be specific for that disc, somehow, and to your account and console.
So if you take your disc to a friend, it will install and request a permission file. If you are on your account you will get it. On another account you will be denied. On your own console, the permission file will already be there to be used by all accounts. Since it'll be on the native console, all accounts will be able to access it.
Presumably, that kills Redbox and Gamefly.
Once again, this is my presumption.
What tf are the EU going to make of all this? This affects your ability to return and resell your games, as well as sticking a time bomb on them. Even when you buy retail you are essentially renting the game - not just the multiplayer aspect which is arguably within consumer expectations.
This going to come under heavy scrutiny in Europe.
This going to come under heavy scrutiny in Europe.
shinra-bansho
Member
So are you saying that currently DLC is both tied to an account and tied to a system in different ways?
i.e. currently is it:
- Joe buys Mass Effect DLC on his account on his console.
- Jane can play that DLC on Joe's console logged into her account, as long as Joe's account is also activated on this original system.
- Joe can also download and play that DLC at his friend Jimmy's house on Jimmy's system under his own (Joe's) account.
- Jimmy won't be able to play that content on his account on his system.
I think it's been at least a decade since anyone complained about not being able to lend PC games to a friend.
Nobody gives a shit any more.
hooijdonk17
Member
1. Correct
2. Jane can play that DLC on Joe's console offline if Joe's account is activated on that console. Jane can play that DLC on Joe's console only if she's online on XBL if Joe's account is somehow missing.
3. Correct. Howeveri Joe can play with his account on Joe's console only if he's online on XBL.
4. Jimmy will play that DLC on his system IF Joe's account is also installed on his system AND online on XBL.
As you can see the current DLC DRM is alrady fucking draconian, it just went unnoticed because people did not expect DLC to be shareable/tradeable/lendable.
Now that games are presumably treated with the same DRM, welcome to Shithole.
NemesisPrime
Banned
Hu? WTF are you talking about? Just sign in on any X1..... you don't need to bring anything with you.
I'll call it now, you will need Gold to redownload a game over the internet, with Silver you have to use the disc.
Angel Abaddon
Member
The current system has 2 forms of ties:
Console tie
Gamertag tie
The console the DLC is originally bought on will work with any gamertag on the system, regardless of whether the Gamertag that bought it is currently registered to that system.
If you log into your gamertag on another system, anyone can play it on the new system AS LONG AS the original Gamertag is signed in on one of the controllers.
Scenario:
*Joe buys ME DLC on Console 1. Jane also has a Gamertag on Console 1. Joe and Jane can both use the DLC freely.
*Joe takes his Gamertag to Daves house and logs in on Console 2. Dave can now play the DLC when Joe is signed in. Jane can still use the DLC on Console 1 to play against Joe and Dave on Console 2.
Its bloody confusing, and someone is likely to explain it better than me.