Majority of Americans now support Trump's impeachment

Hotspurr · Oct 10, 2019

It took a while, but even the Republican crowd is starting to turn. Given his acting out and enormous ego, I can see him making more and more mistakes until eventually calling it quits. Just today Pence was repeatedly in denial that Trump ever asked Ukraine to gather information on Biden. It looks really bad. Unlike the Trump/Russia collusion, Kavanaugh witch hunt, or various sexual harassment allegations, I think Trump stepped in it this time. Though I don't see it as a big deal, this little mole hill is already turning into a giant mountain for him as he's showing signs of cracking. Cue the Trump Defense Force soundtrack.

daveonezero · Oct 10, 2019

I don’t pick sides. I don’t like the right or left. I don’t like the office. Or the system.
I stopped playing stupid games a long time ago.
If they had anything on trump they would have done it already. Everything has turned to dust.

desertdroog · Oct 10, 2019

Well, then that should make the 2020 election a no brainer, huh?

DeepEnigma · Oct 10, 2019

autoduelist · Oct 10, 2019

Hotspurr said:

The dude has like a 95% support rating in the Republican Party and a higher approval rating than Obama did at this point.

CurryPanda · Oct 10, 2019

Orange man bad. Am I doing this right?

DeepEnigma · Oct 10, 2019

> Gains 3% points with black male voters

“It is within the 4% margin of error, don’t read into it.”

> 50 plus 1%

“The MAJORITY, SEE SEE, IMPEACH LIKE A GOOD SOUTHERN PIE!”

dolabla · Oct 10, 2019

The poll is +8 Dem skew. Breakdown:

Democrats: 48%
Republicans: 40%
Independents: 12%

autoduelist · Oct 10, 2019

Ps - putting shit like 'cue defense force' or 'now come all the anti- or pro- talking points' at the end of your post just undercuts your own post. Yes, surprise, when you say something, people who disagree with you will speak up. You aren't making your position stronger by trying to undercut them before they speak, you are illustrating your own lack of intellectual honesty.

Joe T. · Oct 10, 2019

Vicetrailia · Oct 10, 2019

It's not gonna happen.

Whitesnake · Oct 10, 2019

orange man bad

JORMBO · Oct 10, 2019

Take the vote then and let’s move on with life.

CurryPanda · Oct 10, 2019

Whitesnake said:

Oops. I did it wrong earlier.

ORANGE MAN BAD.

StreetsofBeige · Oct 10, 2019

And every digital poll in 2016 said Hillary was going to win. And look how that turned out.

People got to remember that the average digital poller is likely going to be some urbanite on their tablet or cellphone who is democrat.

That's why every poll during the 2016 election said Hillary is forecasted to win, but when all voters actually voted, all those small town USA yee-hawing right wingers that skew to an older age came out and voted Trump.

It's like having a digital poll on whether someone plays Fortnite or Minecraft. You will get X% saying they play it. But if every adult actually had to vote (whether they are an internet surfer or gamer or not), I'd bet every dollar I have the % of people who say they play these games when everyone is accounted for in a vote would be less than a digital poll.

monegames · Oct 10, 2019

Did they do the same thing the other poll I read about that had similar numbers do, ask for the youngest adult in the home to take the survey? They didn't mention it, but didn't mention how they actually handled the calls.

Whitesnake · Oct 10, 2019

CurryPanda said:

bucyou · Oct 10, 2019

finally...

got him, we did

Swass · Oct 10, 2019

StreetsofBeige said:

And every digital poll in 2016 said Hillary was going to win. And look how that turned out.

People got to remember that the average digital poller is likely going to be some urbanite on their tablet or cellphone who is democrat.

That's why every poll during the 2016 election said Hillary is forecasted to win, but when all voters actually voted, all those small town USA yee-hawing right wingers that skew to an older age came out and voted Trump.

It's like having a digital poll on whether someone plays Fortnite or Minecraft. You will get X% saying they play it. But if every adult actually had to vote (whether they are an internet surfer or gamer or not), I'd bet every dollar I have the % of people who say they play these games when everyone is accounted for in a vote would be less than a digital poll.

Polls were accurate, she won the popular vote, which is what they predicted.

Fox News Poll: Record support for Trump impeachment

StreetsofBeige · Oct 10, 2019

Swass said:

2016 Election Forecast: Who Will Be President?

The Upshot’s presidential forecast, updated daily.

www.nytimes.com

NPR Battleground Map: Hillary Clinton Is Winning — And It's Not Close

It's been a rough October for Donald Trump. Barring something extraordinary happening in the final few weeks, his path to win is a near-impossible feat to pull off.

www.npr.org

womfalcs3 · Oct 10, 2019

Whitesnake said:

Keep pushing that narrative. It's satisfactory to see Trash supporters push his insecurities (going out of his way to paint himself for the sake of appearance) out in the open.

Alx · Oct 10, 2019

Polls are interesting not for their absolute value, because there is always a margin of error indeed, but for the trends. +8% in three months isn't something to ignore.
Also people trying to dismiss this with "orange man bad" are being just as hollow as the strawman they're pretending to quote. It's a topic about factual statistic observations, not people pushing an arbitrary opinion on Trump without having anything to back it up.

Vicetrailia · Oct 10, 2019

Alx said:

Polls are interesting not for their absolute value, because there is always a margin of error indeed, but for the trends. +8% in three months isn't something to ignore.
Also people trying to dismiss this with "orange man bad" are being just as hollow as the strawman they're pretending to quote. It's a topic about factual statistic observations, not people pushing an arbitrary opinion on Trump without having anything to back it up.

TDS meets TCS

danielberg · Oct 10, 2019

Alx said:

But the issue is the media has been making up lies again and "pushing arbitrary opinion without having anything to back it up" again as you describe it.
They sold you adam schiffs words as truth just days ago, then bidens until his bragging video emerged (which the media then tried to bury) and then schiff again with the "no contact" lie... so meh.

dolabla · Oct 10, 2019

womfalcs3 said:

I mean it's pretty much factual that they have been looking to remove him since the night he won. It was her turn and he ruined it! Bad man!

It's nothing but a bunch crybaby sore losers who can't beat him.

Alx · Oct 10, 2019

danielberg said:

Didn't the White House release a transcript that described Trump asking for a foreign investigation of his opponents ? Didn't Trump openly admit doing it, and even claim he'd ask China too ? One can argue if it's right or wrong, and worth a destitution (that's the whole point of the procedure), but you can't pretend there's nothing to discuss. Saying "lying media" or "sore losers"is your own version of "orange man bad"

Schrödinger's cat · Oct 10, 2019

It's been proven many times that polls are garbage.
Their only value is as a Rorschach test.

Woo-Fu · Oct 10, 2019

They should do a poll to see how many people want Mike Pence to be President.

Lamel · Oct 10, 2019

This isn’t even the first poll showing this, there were 2 released last week week with higher margins:

CBS News poll: Majority of Americans and Democrats approve of Trump impeachment inquiry

But Americans are divided on whether President Trump's actions deserve impeachment, while Republicans back him

www.cbsnews.com

55%

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-majority-of-americans-say-they-endorse-opening-of-house-impeachment-inquiry-of-trump/2019/10/07/be9e0af6-e936-11e9-85c0-85a098e47b37_story.html?wpisrc=nl_rainbow&wpmm=1

58%. In this one 18% of republicans also support removal, not just impeachment.

Even republicans support it 20-25%.

*cue 10 more orange man bad posts*

danielberg · Oct 10, 2019

Alx said:

You seem to be under the miss conception that its not allowed to ask other countries to help investigate corruption sorry you are wrong, also being a canidate doesnt protect against being investigate for corruption (or democrats would be in jail for muh russia and foreign help with it).
Hell you fuckers accuse trump of doing something for which you have no prove while biden actually is doing what you accuse trump of doing with video recording of biden bragging baout it ... but you ignore it.
Do you see just how fucking insane this is in my eyes? Hell i am 100% CONVINCED you have not even read the transcript do you even know what was asked? do you know about crowdstrike?

Hotspurr · Oct 10, 2019

I am just curious, but all the folks yelling "orange man bad" as a counter argument, do you not see anything wrong with Trump's actions of leveraging aid to Ukraine for dirt on Biden (perhaps you don't suspect this was the case at all?). I understand you think it was Trump weeding out corruption, but is that how these things are done? Does a sitting president asking a foreign leaders to investigate his major opponent's son's involvement in some gas company reasonable? Biden admitted to whatever he did publicly, so it's not like he was hiding anything.

I've seen people defend trump for falsifying the hurricane map with a sharpie, though I don't think people here are that far gone. Just trying to see where some of you draw the line.

womfalcs3 · Oct 10, 2019

Woo-Fu said:

Who would be the vice president? Pelosi or a non-elected appointee? If it's Pelosi. I would approve.

Tesseract · Oct 10, 2019

Hotspurr said:

I am just curious, but all the folks yelling "orange man bad" as a counter argument, do you not see anything wrong with Trump's actions of leveraging aid to Ukraine for dirt on Biden (perhaps you don't suspect this was the case at all?). I understand you think it was Trump weeding out corruption, but is that how these things are done? Does a sitting president asking a foreign leaders to investigate his major opponent's son's involvement in some gas company reasonable? Biden admitted to whatever he did publicly, so it's not like he was hiding anything.

I've seen people defend trump for falsifying the hurricane map with a sharpie, though I don't think people here are that far gone. Just trying to see where some of you draw the line.

it wasn't the case at all

what's unreasonable about asking a foreign leader to investigate someone?

that biden admitted to something means dick little

Schrödinger's cat · Oct 10, 2019

Tesseract said:

~~Straw~~Orange man bad.

Explosive Zombie · Oct 10, 2019

Hotspurr said:

Are you even a real person? In what way did he leverage such aid? Have you read his actual words? Also, we are in an anti-corruption agreement with Ukraine, we have video of Biden openly bragging that he told the Ukrainians to fire the lawyer investigating his son's shady company or he'd withhold a billion dollars, that is an ACTUAL quid pro quo done for a family member. Ukraine would help investigate because the son was involved with Ukraine, why aren't any Democrats removed from office/barred from running for office for getting the help of the British and Russians to create the dossier on Trump?

The defense for the sharpie on the map would be it's another stupid news story based on nothing. It's all "anonymous sources said this happened" and people like you gobble it down because you can't think for yourself.

Patriots7 · Oct 10, 2019

Hotspurr said:

I commend you for trying to address the forum through a civil conversation, but truthfully, you're just going to get baseless responses that are not just shallow but completely devoid of reality. You'll frustratingly attempt to respond but it's impossible to actually argue if people generally don't want to hear what you're saying and will contort and manipulate half truths in order to dismantle anything that is not outright praise and deference to Trump.

The man said he could shoot someone on Fifth Ave and none of his supporters would care. This might be one of the few things he's actually right about.

brap · Oct 10, 2019

He's finished... I give up...

Virex · Oct 10, 2019

Does this mean Hillary can still be President?

Tesseract · Oct 10, 2019

Virex said:

she already beat him tho, and get ready to bust a nut because she's gonna do it again

Virex · Oct 10, 2019

Tesseract said:

I'm not American so I really couldn't give a shit about who is President. But I like Trump purely for the fact that it shows how mentally unfit people on the left really are. It's funny.

Tesseract · Oct 10, 2019

Virex said:

just screwing with you dude, check out this thread for context

Hillary just said she can beat Trump again

Or https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1181747382599475200

www.neogaf.com

Virex · Oct 10, 2019

Tesseract said:

I'm not too up to date with all the happenings in American politics. But I don't think anyone can beat Trump in 2020. I've never seen anyone as butthurt as Hillary in my whole life.

duhu1148 · Oct 10, 2019

Like most people I've never even met a pollster.

mcz117chief · Oct 10, 2019

duhu1148 said:

Have you ever met anyone who met a pollster?

Virex · Oct 10, 2019

mcz117chief said:

Have you ever met anyone who met anyone who met a pollster?

Hotspurr · Oct 10, 2019

Explosive Zombie said:

Are you even a real person? In what way did he leverage such aid? Have you read his actual words? Also, we are in an anti-corruption agreement with Ukraine, we have video of Biden openly bragging that he told the Ukrainians to fire the lawyer investigating his son's shady company or he'd withhold a billion dollars, that is an ACTUAL quid pro quo done for a family member. Ukraine would help investigate because the son was involved with Ukraine, why aren't any Democrats removed from office/barred from running for office for getting the help of the British and Russians to create the dossier on Trump?

The defense for the sharpie on the map would be it's another stupid news story based on nothing. It's all "anonymous sources said this happened" and people like you gobble it down because you can't think for yourself.

By all means feel free to defend this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breitbart.com/news/trump-just-cant-let-go-on-sharpie-gate/amp/

I've even linked probably one of your favorite news outlets.

DunDunDunpachi · Oct 10, 2019

mcz117chief · Oct 10, 2019

Virex said:

nope

danielberg · Oct 10, 2019

Patriots7 said:

In actuality its not even worth to respond to stuff like this especially not when it has the aura of "we know better" around it sorry doesnt fly anymore not after the last two years of russia collusion conspiracy.
And what did you do afterwards? Instead of looking at the people who lied to you, you instead choose to continue to go after people who have been slandered for the last years by the same lies.
This is what i mean when i say its not even worth responding or arguing anymore since people like you already didnt change your mind even after you found out you got played for 2 years... so what am i gonna say that changes anything? lol

DunDunDunpachi · Oct 10, 2019

danielberg said:

Sums it up pretty well, to be honest.

I'm willing to argue and disagree and debate and shout at people all in good faith, for the sake of good clean fun. But when someone is wrong and refuses to be wrong, there's something deeply unsatisfying about discussing anything with such a person. We wouldn't spend much time -- let alone having drawn-out debates -- with people who behave this way in real life. We would recognize them for the nutcases they are and move on with our day.

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