Manchester mosque sermon 'called for armed jihad', say scholars

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Manchester mosque sermon 'called for armed jihad', say scholars

An imam at Didsbury Mosque in December 2016 was recorded praying for "victory" for "our brothers and sisters right now in Aleppo and Syria and Iraq".

Scholars Usama Hasan and Shaykh Rehan said it referred to "military jihad".

The imam, Mustafa Graf, says his sermon did not call for armed jihad and he has never preached radical Islam.

The recording the BBC obtained is of Friday prayers at the mosque six months before Salman Abedi detonated a suicide bomb following an Ariana Grande concert at Manchester Arena in May 2017.

Abedi and his family regularly attended the mosque and his father sometimes led the call to prayer.
The family's whereabouts on the day of the sermon are unknown but the BBC has been told that Abedi bought a ticket for the concert 10 days later.

The bomb killed 22 people and the attacker, as well as injuring hundreds of others.

It is also understood at least five men who have attended Didsbury Mosque have either travelled to Syria or have been jailed for terrorism offences.
The sermon, which was at a time of bombing in the Syrian city of Aleppo, includes prayers for "mujahideen" fighting abroad - a term commonly used for Islamist guerrilla fighters.

"We ask Allah to grant them mujahideen - our brothers and sisters right now in Aleppo and Syria and Iraq - to grant them victory," Mr Graf is heard saying.

Elsewhere it says: "Lots of brothers stayed behind unfortunately. They love Islam and Muslims but they do nothing for the support of their brothers and sisters."

Another passage says: "Jihad for the sake of Allah is the source of pride and dignity for this nation."
Mr Hasan, head of Islamic studies at Quilliam, a think tank that focuses on counter-extremism, said: "From the context and the way these texts [the religious passages quoted within the sermon] are used they are clearly referring to military jihad, to armed jihad.

"I have known the Islamic discourse for pretty much 40 years, from being a child in this country and worldwide, and the mujahideen are the group fighting armed jihad."

Mr Rehan said he was in no doubt about what the sermon meant.

"The jihad he's referring to here is actually being on the battlefield, there's no ifs and no buts in this."
This is only one sermon caught on tape, who knows what else was being said that wasn't caught on tape.

Whats more likely that this young man became a huge Ariana Grande fan after the sermon, or decided to buy a ticket and blow up the concert 10 days after hearing about "Jihad"?
 

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Is the UK going to erect them a statue and still pretend like this is not an issue?
 

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The only answer is more immigrants. They are all smart doctors, engineers and lawyers. Surely white people are to blame!
 

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I recently read that the bomber himself was rescued from Libya by the British Royal Navy and brought back to England. You really couldn't make it up. It's strange how this country [UK] thinks appeasing Islam will make the fanatics go away. It doesn't: it only helps them flourish.
 

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I recently read that the bomber himself was rescued from Libya by the British Royal Navy and brought back to England. You really couldn't make it up. It's strange how this country [UK] thinks appeasing Islam will make the fanatics go away. It doesn't: it only helps them flourish.
More things that make you go, hmmm. :pie_thinking:
 

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They should give Tommy Robinson a double sentence for turning this peaceful muslim radical with his racism, sexism, islamophobia. I would like to see you guys risk life and limb to flood a white supremacist country.
 
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This reminds me of the mosque that Omar Mateen went to before he went on a killing spree in the Pulse night club.
 

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I recently read that the bomber himself was rescued from Libya by the British Royal Navy and brought back to England. You really couldn't make it up. It's strange how this country [UK] thinks appeasing Islam will make the fanatics go away. It doesn't: it only helps them flourish.
Do you have a source would like to read up on that. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.

Between that and the ISIS guy in Germany it seems the saying no good deed goes un punished is very applicable.
 

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These Imams are going around most mosques in the U.K preaching violence, and probably the rest of Europe. It’s all there in the Islamic texts though so you pretty much allow it or you don’t. Even the biggest Mosque in London specifically opened as a gesture by Prince Charles is now rife with Fundies preaching their shite.

Week after week we keep letting them in, while simultaneously banning those who might speak up about it. What could possibly go wrong?
 

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Does this actually come as a surprise to anyone? It's been known for decades that mosques and madrassas in Western countries preach non-integration, hate, intolerance and even terrorism. The real problem is the politicians who turn a blind eye to it and continue to allow the takeover and destruction of our values.
 

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Does this actually come as a surprise to anyone? It's been known for decades that mosques and madrassas in Western countries preach non-integration, hate, intolerance and even terrorism. The real problem is the politicians who turn a blind eye to it and continue to allow the takeover and destruction of our values.
I think we should not generalize. It is a small number of them really.

The problem is the "reverse" racism in play.
When it comes to fanatical christian sects like Westborough Baptist Church, we have no problem at all to denounce them and tell them they do not represent Christians or normal people in a normal western society.
We have no problem getting wide support to condemn them,

When it comes to Islam things are completely different. Fringe elements there spread hate, preach and encourage murder and terrorism but almost no one dates speak up because they are afraid to be called a racist.
Unhinged progressives even defend and support these extreme elements.


We need to mature enough so that we can recognize that just like WBC, there are fringe extremists among us in Islam too, and just like WBC they need to be called out and shunned.
You are not a racist or Islamophobic just by calling out the fanatical elements.
 
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I wished we lived in a world where the WBC and Islamic extremist groups were even remotely comparable in how they operated and how much death and destruction they cause.
 

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Blowing up an Ariana Grande concert is a strange wayt o respond to an admonishment to go fight in Syria.
 

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Doesnt matter there are several known wahabi mosques who routinly invite Islamists, some literally have breed terrorists themselves that then proceeded to attack European targets all this is know to the media, politicians and police (wo are not allowed to do anything about it) in the uk.
 

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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Has Ariana spoken out on related issues in the past or something?
It's a place the bomber could be certain no one who he considers a good person would be. Under ISIS or the Taliban rule going to such a concert or listening to Ariana's music would be punishable by death.
 

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It's a place the bomber could be certain no one who he considers a good person would be. Under ISIS or the Taliban rule going to such a concert or listening to Ariana's music would be punishable by death.
That's some grim logic right there, but I can't fault it.