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Squall ASF
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Steroyd said:
Nah, that's not good enough. I was trying to say that if Oda settled on these being the final villians for the arc as that other guy sounded like he was implying, that Oda wouldn't have done it right. I just screwed up my phrasing. I believe there will be stonger opponents so it doesn't matter that these scrubs get curb stomped without any proper setup to how strong they are.
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Griffith said:
Yikes... That's a pretty glaring error.
Squall ASF
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Steroyd said:
There are more similarities than that. They are both morons but smart fighters, both eat tons of food, both have goofy tendencies despite how strong they are, are loyal to their friends, enjoy fights, etc.
It was a good handicap, nothing more. Maybe I just have too high of expectations for the second strongest SH.
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I'm not surprised at all with Luffy and Zoro's strength right now. As people have mentioned, I think this arc will be used as a way to show how powerful they are, and Hodi/Vander Decken will get their lunch packed by Zoro/Luffy. Then we move on to the next arc, with stronger villians.
I'm thinking this is going to be more like the Arlong/Jaya arcs. The fights themselves weren't really exciting (when Luffy finally fought, he kicked ass and that was that). However, the build up was great. Obviously they aren't going to end this arc any time soon, so hopefully we get some good build up before the final blow.
I'm not surprised at all with Luffy and Zoro's strength right now. As people have mentioned, I think this arc will be used as a way to show how powerful they are, and Hodi/Vander Decken will get their lunch packed by Zoro/Luffy. Then we move on to the next arc, with stronger villians.
Or, Arlong returns and is the arc's final boss.
I'm thinking this is going to be more like the Arlong/Jaya arcs. The fights themselves weren't really exciting (when Luffy finally fought, he kicked ass and that was that). However, the build up was great. Obviously they aren't going to end this arc any time soon, so hopefully we get some good build up before the final blow.
One Piece 618:
DBZ isn't a good comparison. For one thing, One Piece is more about techniques and abilities vs simply "gaining x amount of strength". Plus in this instance you have all the main protagonists getting "power ups" vs one character getting a ridiculous power up over all the others (one of DBZ's biggest flaws). There are no "Vegeta pirates" getting beaten by Hodi and Decken in this instance to show off how much stronger the "Goku pirates" have become. Other than having Hodi and Decken beat random pirates with "x bounties/power levels", the only other thing Oda could have done is have Hodi and Decken beat up someone like Jinbei.
But in regards to Oda building up the enemies more, I personally feel Oda did this on purpose similar to what he did with Bellamy. Oda only wanted to hype up Hodi/Decken to a reasonable amount. But he doesn't want them getting so much hype that them getting beaten easily by the Straw Hats would become a disappointment to the audience.
I never said Decken and Hodi will get slaughtered instantly or was I trying to imply that. What I am trying to say is that everyone is expecting this arc to be like every OTHER Straw Hat arc with the Straw Hats showing up on an island with trouble, fighting "X" antagonist(s) in a long battle where the Straw Hats barely win, and then going about their business. And IMO that's NOT going to be the case here. Oda needs to establish the Straw Hats (Luffy especially) as being much stronger than they were during the Ace rescue arc. And unfortunately the Straw Hats fighting random Fishmen and struggling like they normally do against bad guys in previous arcs will not help the audience see how much stronger they've become when you have monsters like Akainu, Marco, and Blackbeard running around the Grandline.
The villains of this arc (Decken and Hodi), won't be total push overs. Even if Zoro really did OHKO Hodi, we already know Hodi has steroids that increase his strength a significant level and Decken isn't down for the count either from Luffy's attacks. So at the very least I expect these guys to push the Straw Hats to use some of their new abilities before being taken out for good.
But those of you hoping for X bad guy to show up and give the Straw Hats a real struggle are setting yourselves up for disappointment. The Straw Hats have to show off their strength first/their new techniques and Hodi and Decken are the punching bags.
smh...
Squall ASF said:
DBZ isn't a good comparison. For one thing, One Piece is more about techniques and abilities vs simply "gaining x amount of strength". Plus in this instance you have all the main protagonists getting "power ups" vs one character getting a ridiculous power up over all the others (one of DBZ's biggest flaws). There are no "Vegeta pirates" getting beaten by Hodi and Decken in this instance to show off how much stronger the "Goku pirates" have become. Other than having Hodi and Decken beat random pirates with "x bounties/power levels", the only other thing Oda could have done is have Hodi and Decken beat up someone like Jinbei.
But in regards to Oda building up the enemies more, I personally feel Oda did this on purpose similar to what he did with Bellamy. Oda only wanted to hype up Hodi/Decken to a reasonable amount. But he doesn't want them getting so much hype that them getting beaten easily by the Straw Hats would become a disappointment to the audience.
I never said Decken and Hodi will get slaughtered instantly or was I trying to imply that. What I am trying to say is that everyone is expecting this arc to be like every OTHER Straw Hat arc with the Straw Hats showing up on an island with trouble, fighting "X" antagonist(s) in a long battle where the Straw Hats barely win, and then going about their business. And IMO that's NOT going to be the case here. Oda needs to establish the Straw Hats (Luffy especially) as being much stronger than they were during the Ace rescue arc. And unfortunately the Straw Hats fighting random Fishmen and struggling like they normally do against bad guys in previous arcs will not help the audience see how much stronger they've become when you have monsters like Akainu, Marco, and Blackbeard running around the Grandline.
The villains of this arc (Decken and Hodi), won't be total push overs. Even if Zoro really did OHKO Hodi, we already know Hodi has steroids that increase his strength a significant level and Decken isn't down for the count either from Luffy's attacks. So at the very least I expect these guys to push the Straw Hats to use some of their new abilities before being taken out for good.
But those of you hoping for X bad guy to show up and give the Straw Hats a real struggle are setting yourselves up for disappointment. The Straw Hats have to show off their strength first/their new techniques and Hodi and Decken are the punching bags.
RagnarokX said:
smh...
Zoramon089
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Am I the only one who noticed Hachi's comment that there are stronger fishmen than Hodi...page 17
What? Arlong vs Luffy and teh Skypeia fights WERE exciting. Wiper vs Enel? Enel's DF bringing him back from the dead?!
Anyway, Oda isn't going to devote an entire arc to showing how strong the characters are. That'd be a huge waste...I don't know if Hodi will be one of the final villains but this arc WILL have someone to give the SHs a proper fight. I'm sure of it
Anth0ny said:
What? Arlong vs Luffy and teh Skypeia fights WERE exciting. Wiper vs Enel? Enel's DF bringing him back from the dead?!
Anyway, Oda isn't going to devote an entire arc to showing how strong the characters are. That'd be a huge waste...I don't know if Hodi will be one of the final villains but this arc WILL have someone to give the SHs a proper fight. I'm sure of it
AlimNassor
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One Piece 618
Sanji XMFD is all i have to say.
Zoro 1 shotting Hodi was awesome.
Sanji XMFD is all i have to say.
Zoro 1 shotting Hodi was awesome.
Squall ASF
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Zoramon089 said:
Yeah I'm sure it will be the squid or octo swordsman mercenary for Zoro and some bigger guy pulling the strings for Luffy. Perhaps Jinbei will know who this person is.
Zoramon089 said:
By Jaya I meant Bellamy.
And watch Luffy vs. Arlong again. Luffy pretty much kicked his ass. That's what I see Luffy vs. Vander Decken to be like. Decken puts up some resistance, but Luffy has the advantage the whole time and takes him down relatively quickly.
Oda won't pull a Goku vs. Recoome for Luffy like he did for Zoro vs. Hodi, though.
Zoramon089
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Kreed said:
Wow, that kind of changes the meaning entirely. That was a pretty grave error
After watching the shitty school rumble 3rd season ending, I decided to read the manga but damn it really turns into shit half way through with Kobayashi just trolling fans for like 100 chapters. In chapter 281 he opens a can of worms then does fuck all with it (fake engagement and living at yakumos house).Sadly later on in manga it focuses more on romance then comedy.
Bravo fantastic trolling Kobayashi
Bravo fantastic trolling Kobayashi
Dedication Through Light
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Aw, I wish it was colored, I loved the princess and this moment!
This was, I think, a phenomenally epic chapter of One Piece. Zoro was so epic, Luffy was too! So much action and awe, I was shocked, especially with Luffy! There was so much text too, so I will probably have to reread it again, but in terms of action, Oda surely delivered for me. I think, one of my favorite "bouts" in a while! Loved it.
This was, I think, a phenomenally epic chapter of One Piece. Zoro was so epic, Luffy was too! So much action and awe, I was shocked, especially with Luffy! There was so much text too, so I will probably have to reread it again, but in terms of action, Oda surely delivered for me. I think, one of my favorite "bouts" in a while! Loved it.
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Oh how nice it is to wake up to a new One Piece chapter. Best one of this arc so far (if we're not counting the SH's finally meeting up as a part of the FI arc). Great great action. Luffy not really giving a fuck about the people and just straight wrecking VDD and the giant in one shot each was just fantastic. Him doing it while tied up is no surprise. I also loved Sanji's petrification moment. I don't know what Nami could be up to, but it's interesting that her goals are information first, money second now. She could have easily been worried about losing all the money she could've gotten from looting shit at the palace but now she strictly wants to go see Jinbei.
And then there's Zoro. One shot. Epic shit. Just what I expected. I don't know what's going to happen from here on out but Hodi and VDD have officially become Timeskip Fodder. Not that there's a problem with that. Timeskip/Training fodder is one of the things we love about shounen, right? We know that the SH's have many battles ahead of them, so it's not a big deal. Like I said at the beginning of the arc, I don't expect to see a battle where any of the monster trio actually struggle until the New World. I might be wrong, but yeah. Hopefully we don't spend too much time more in this arc as it seems like Luffy is tired of it and I know we al want them to get to the New World.
I only wish we could've seen the start and end of Zoro's fight instead of just the end-slash and I also wish we could've gotten a bigger/more detailed panel for Luffy's great Haki moment.
Like some say, I'm not surprised at all that Hodi and VDD turned out like this. What the hell do people expect. HOWEVER, this assessment:
I agree with. It would have been like if DBZ did this: Talk of Ginyu force (most feared group/fighters evar etc. etc. etc.) -> Ginyu arrives -> As soon as Ginyu arrives, Goku arrives -> Goku wrecks Ginyu force. We would have just been like "okay well I guess that means Goku's training made him a beast." Like how we just assume that "SH's 2-year training made them beasts." THat's fine (to me), but it's even better if the enemies do something horrific to townsfolk/army/other characters and then zoro comes in and one shots him/luffy rapes.
But there are differences among the two that the comparison might not be able to be taken wholly as accurate (mainly, the chracters), but I still agree that while I was wowed by the actions of luffy and Zoro, I wasn't like "OH SHIT" or "OH SNAP SON" like with other moments, mainly because I thought that Hodi and VDD rubbish all along. It doesn't say much to emphasize the strength of training/timeskip if the enemy you defeat is fodder. Now when I see Luffy one shot the main villain of this arc (if he/she appears soon)...then I'll be like "OH SHIT SON." Some might cry fowl but like I said we still have the entire new world, this is just the interlude between it and the first half of the GL.
It's not that Hodi has to be strong, it's just that he should be strong in relation to most other people. Or at least the readers should get that if we want to emphasize the effectiveness of the SH's training. They were built up verbally but they never really did anything (YET - they might not be down for the count, changing this discussion entirely - but I don't see Hodi getting back up and being ready and rearing to go). Also, I don't see that swordsman being a challenege
And not that he should destroy one of the strawhats, the SH's aren't the only catalysts to display strength.
The comparison has some differences, but I say that it's valid in it's grounding point: That as villains, readers don't seem to give a fuck about VDD and Hodi (at least I didn't). This kind of underhands the great victories we just saw. If we knew that one of the two of them have been doing horrific things for years to the townsfolk or successfully manhandled Ryuuguu palace before, something to add to their characters before they became Timeskip fodder. I knew it was going to happen but to emphasize Zoro and Luffy's strength it could have helped to make them less like lames from the beginning.
Also, I don't see that swordsman being a challenege to Zoro either, he had a good moment, but come on. This is fucking Zoro right now. He didn't even really do anything against Hodi but a strike and he was underwater for Christ's sake.
Now, I know how people feel about OP. So yeah. :lol
Isn't that the point of what is being talked about here. These guys should not have been seen as "random fishmen." If they were seen as big bad guys like previous villains in arcs, and then Luffy and Zoro one shotted them, it would have a bigger effect and show off their training more. If they were a lot more respected by the audience and had more credentials as villains, we would be ready to believe and start to see the differences in strength.
I also agree with your assessment on this arc, but I think that Hodi and VDD would have been better off getting more development as big bad villains (if they are going to be the villains) to show the difference in strength. However, if someone new shows up, I won't be surprised either. Oda can go a couple of routes from here.
Edit: Jesus that was a long post. Waiting for Bleach now.
Oh how nice it is to wake up to a new One Piece chapter. Best one of this arc so far (if we're not counting the SH's finally meeting up as a part of the FI arc). Great great action. Luffy not really giving a fuck about the people and just straight wrecking VDD and the giant in one shot each was just fantastic. Him doing it while tied up is no surprise. I also loved Sanji's petrification moment. I don't know what Nami could be up to, but it's interesting that her goals are information first, money second now. She could have easily been worried about losing all the money she could've gotten from looting shit at the palace but now she strictly wants to go see Jinbei.
And then there's Zoro. One shot. Epic shit. Just what I expected. I don't know what's going to happen from here on out but Hodi and VDD have officially become Timeskip Fodder. Not that there's a problem with that. Timeskip/Training fodder is one of the things we love about shounen, right? We know that the SH's have many battles ahead of them, so it's not a big deal. Like I said at the beginning of the arc, I don't expect to see a battle where any of the monster trio actually struggle until the New World. I might be wrong, but yeah. Hopefully we don't spend too much time more in this arc as it seems like Luffy is tired of it and I know we al want them to get to the New World.
I only wish we could've seen the start and end of Zoro's fight instead of just the end-slash and I also wish we could've gotten a bigger/more detailed panel for Luffy's great Haki moment.
Like some say, I'm not surprised at all that Hodi and VDD turned out like this. What the hell do people expect. HOWEVER, this assessment:
Squall ASF said:
I agree with. It would have been like if DBZ did this: Talk of Ginyu force (most feared group/fighters evar etc. etc. etc.) -> Ginyu arrives -> As soon as Ginyu arrives, Goku arrives -> Goku wrecks Ginyu force. We would have just been like "okay well I guess that means Goku's training made him a beast." Like how we just assume that "SH's 2-year training made them beasts." THat's fine (to me), but it's even better if the enemies do something horrific to townsfolk/army/other characters and then zoro comes in and one shots him/luffy rapes.
But there are differences among the two that the comparison might not be able to be taken wholly as accurate (mainly, the chracters), but I still agree that while I was wowed by the actions of luffy and Zoro, I wasn't like "OH SHIT" or "OH SNAP SON" like with other moments, mainly because I thought that Hodi and VDD rubbish all along. It doesn't say much to emphasize the strength of training/timeskip if the enemy you defeat is fodder. Now when I see Luffy one shot the main villain of this arc (if he/she appears soon)...then I'll be like "OH SHIT SON." Some might cry fowl but like I said we still have the entire new world, this is just the interlude between it and the first half of the GL.
Yoboman said:
It's not that Hodi has to be strong, it's just that he should be strong in relation to most other people. Or at least the readers should get that if we want to emphasize the effectiveness of the SH's training. They were built up verbally but they never really did anything (YET - they might not be down for the count, changing this discussion entirely - but I don't see Hodi getting back up and being ready and rearing to go). Also, I don't see that swordsman being a challenege
And not that he should destroy one of the strawhats, the SH's aren't the only catalysts to display strength.
The comparison has some differences, but I say that it's valid in it's grounding point: That as villains, readers don't seem to give a fuck about VDD and Hodi (at least I didn't). This kind of underhands the great victories we just saw. If we knew that one of the two of them have been doing horrific things for years to the townsfolk or successfully manhandled Ryuuguu palace before, something to add to their characters before they became Timeskip fodder. I knew it was going to happen but to emphasize Zoro and Luffy's strength it could have helped to make them less like lames from the beginning.
Also, I don't see that swordsman being a challenege to Zoro either, he had a good moment, but come on. This is fucking Zoro right now. He didn't even really do anything against Hodi but a strike and he was underwater for Christ's sake.
Now, I know how people feel about OP. So yeah. :lol
Kreed said:
Isn't that the point of what is being talked about here. These guys should not have been seen as "random fishmen." If they were seen as big bad guys like previous villains in arcs, and then Luffy and Zoro one shotted them, it would have a bigger effect and show off their training more. If they were a lot more respected by the audience and had more credentials as villains, we would be ready to believe and start to see the differences in strength.
I also agree with your assessment on this arc, but I think that Hodi and VDD would have been better off getting more development as big bad villains (if they are going to be the villains) to show the difference in strength. However, if someone new shows up, I won't be surprised either. Oda can go a couple of routes from here.
Edit: Jesus that was a long post. Waiting for Bleach now.
Dedication Through Light
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Stat Flow said:
Waking up at 8:52PM?! What?! Yeah Ive been waiting for Bleach. I think my comprehension regarding One Piece is quite low or its just challenging to follow along. Im so glad people write the posts so extensively, its the only way I can understand what happened or recall past occurrences.
Dedication Through Light said:
Heh. And yeah, I usually get home and take a nap after getting home from classes.
I was uninterested in this arc completely until more of the recent chapters. It's picked up since then but I still don't know where it's headed.
Infinite Justice
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Wiseblade said:
hope he fights that fishman swordsman since Oda hyped him as being decent (Luffy complimenting him, alluding that Arlong was too cheap to pay for his services).
KuwabaraTheMan
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One Piece:
Well, it should be obvious now that Hodi and VDD aren't the main villains of this arc, but simply the warm up. Nice to see Luffy and Zoro's growth being shown off, and Shirahoshi owned the chapter with her great refusal. Really interested to see where things are going from here. Hopefully they'll arrive at the Sea Forest soon.
Well, it should be obvious now that Hodi and VDD aren't the main villains of this arc, but simply the warm up. Nice to see Luffy and Zoro's growth being shown off, and Shirahoshi owned the chapter with her great refusal. Really interested to see where things are going from here. Hopefully they'll arrive at the Sea Forest soon.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Kusagari said:
He didn't get trolled, but he basically failed in everything he was trying to do. He's probably going to be used to hype Usopp in a sniping battle. At least, I hope that's what happens.
^Oh, I never thought about that. Usopp vs VDD would be fantastic.
It was less about the actual attack and more about what actually happened.
I mean, he came on the scene with the resolve to marry (propose) to the princess. He finally sees her after all this time and gets flat out denied. This had to have made him pretty angry. Then, Luffy, an 'invader' is standing between him and his goal. Luffy doesn't pay him any mind as an individual, simply jet pistols him and moves on about his business, literally.
Talk about not being acknowledged at all.
Kusagari said:
It was less about the actual attack and more about what actually happened.
I mean, he came on the scene with the resolve to marry (propose) to the princess. He finally sees her after all this time and gets flat out denied. This had to have made him pretty angry. Then, Luffy, an 'invader' is standing between him and his goal. Luffy doesn't pay him any mind as an individual, simply jet pistols him and moves on about his business, literally.
Talk about not being acknowledged at all.
I have a feeling that the Hodi fight has been planned out....
The fact that:
- Hodi is really strong yet gets beaten by Zoro right away
- Jimbei told them to not fight him
- Hacchi saying that Hodi has a dangerous mind
I think the fight is all planned out, what if Hodi wants to make himself look like a martyr? there is no better way to get people to support you than by playing the victim.
I mean, right now the people at the fishermen island think that
- The SH took over the castle
- Kidnapped the princess
- Luffy will bring forth the destruction of the island
the perfect setting has presented right in front of Hodi's face.
Of course, this is Oda, so it could something completely different, :lol
He hasn't even touched Luffy yet... I really think that its too early to call it off.
The fact that:
- Hodi is really strong yet gets beaten by Zoro right away
- Jimbei told them to not fight him
- Hacchi saying that Hodi has a dangerous mind
I think the fight is all planned out, what if Hodi wants to make himself look like a martyr? there is no better way to get people to support you than by playing the victim.
I mean, right now the people at the fishermen island think that
- The SH took over the castle
- Kidnapped the princess
- Luffy will bring forth the destruction of the island
the perfect setting has presented right in front of Hodi's face.
Of course, this is Oda, so it could something completely different, :lol
KuwabaraTheMan said:
He hasn't even touched Luffy yet... I really think that its too early to call it off.
flintstryker
Banned
I wonder who Sanji will tackle this arc, probably be Caribou.
Anyway i Love who he just said "I choose death"
Anyway i Love who he just said "I choose death"
EmCeeGramr
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Mangastream updated OP with better translations.
grandjedi6
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One Piece
People probably shouldn't assume that there even will be a "final arc villian" or that it will end up being defeated by Luffy/Zoro. There hasn't been an arc like that since Thriller Bark.
People probably shouldn't assume that there even will be a "final arc villian" or that it will end up being defeated by Luffy/Zoro. There hasn't been an arc like that since Thriller Bark.
Dedication Through Light
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GG-Duo said:
I just wanna know what Jinbe knows since Nami seemed to suggest that he knows whats up and what the greater force at hand is. I thought Neptune was gonna get in on the action
TacticalFox88
Banned
Bleach is out on Mangastream
G-Bus
Banned
One Piece
How come every one is jumping to the conclusion that Zoro one shotted Hodi and he's done for? Jinbei's trying to warn Luffy not to fight Hodi so I'm going to assume there is a little more to him then we know.
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Bleach
I kind of like where this is going I just wish it would speed up a bit.
How come every one is jumping to the conclusion that Zoro one shotted Hodi and he's done for? Jinbei's trying to warn Luffy not to fight Hodi so I'm going to assume there is a little more to him then we know.
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Bleach
I kind of like where this is going I just wish it would speed up a bit.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Bleach is pretty interesting now. The only problem is the beast hiding behind the scenes, i.e. the Loads and Loads of Characters that Kubo invariably is going to just shoehorn back in.
Dedication Through Light
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Bleach
Hah, that was really an underwhelming chapter, lol. The best part for me was the txt mentioning fullbring transformation at the ending. Well Ichigo looked as awesome as ever in that black shirt before going into Riruka's fish tank thing. He needs more panels of Ichigo....And wow, surprised to see my first name pop up in a manga series. Kubo better deliver the goods next week, I want more cool action shots of Ichigo and that fullbring!
Hah, that was really an underwhelming chapter, lol. The best part for me was the txt mentioning fullbring transformation at the ending. Well Ichigo looked as awesome as ever in that black shirt before going into Riruka's fish tank thing. He needs more panels of Ichigo....And wow, surprised to see my first name pop up in a manga series. Kubo better deliver the goods next week, I want more cool action shots of Ichigo and that fullbring!
Aizen 3 was the leader of the Fullbringers
Aizen 3 > Aizen 2
therefore,
Masked Aizen (aka no smirk Aizen) > Smirking Aizen > Butterfly Aizen > Masked Carnage Aizen > Original Aizen (pre-smirk) > Aizen (Arrancar Leader) > Aizen 3 > Aizen 2 > Imprisoned Aizen > Child Aizen > Crucified Aizen
Aizen 3 > Aizen 2
therefore,
Masked Aizen (aka no smirk Aizen) > Smirking Aizen > Butterfly Aizen > Masked Carnage Aizen > Original Aizen (pre-smirk) > Aizen (Arrancar Leader) > Aizen 3 > Aizen 2 > Imprisoned Aizen > Child Aizen > Crucified Aizen
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tri_willy said:
I wish they had been able to know what Tsukishima's motives was...hm but then if we knew, it wouldnt have this exotic feeling of mystery and intrigue.
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Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
When's Aizen coming backtri_willy said:
rollingstart
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Feep said:
a little of 1, a lot of B.
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