That was a very good video, he showed many instances where the potatoe masher had better settings and even the games he gave ties were technically better on the potatoe masher. Hitman was technically better on the masher and so is Forza 7 because it has bouts of dynamic settings on the XBONEX... better MB, lighting, lods on the masher etc...
I think all sane people have deduced as much.. sometimes it's puzzling tbh....
Huh, Didn't leadbetter say he tested the PC version on EA access? Are you saying the PC version is not coming out on the 16th?
Navi is supposed to drop in 2019 but you never know with delays et al.... If the PS5 drops in November 2019 it will be decked with AMD GPU technology that exists in at least April of 2019 for the latest.....(or slighlty later).....Navi should be there at this point...if not then PS5 will have 7nm Vega....
In November 2020, that's almost 2021, Next Gen Arch or perhaps Navi 7nm+ will be available, so PS5 will be decked with Next Gen, which may very well be Navi 7nm+ for all we know......either way it's looking likely that PS5 will have Navi.
Well the video around 8.30 Richard says what does it take to run this game at 4k 60fps and i took that as the remastered version. thats all.
I don't think he meant that it's not coming to PC....
As a technical comparison video it's not very good.
i thought Richard had the remastered version on PC ( not the Pc version they were showing). Around 8.20 in video. My mistake i hold my hands up.
Go to the PS5 rumor thread, there are some predictions going on....Slot in what you expect from PS5....My predictions are there....
There has not been enough 4k CB this gen though....I wish more devs were doing it for the majority of titles that are 1440p....However, next gen I doubt we will see 4k CB even then, but I do expect the occasional 8kCB....(3840 x 4320 cb'd to 7680 x 4320) for some indies and AA products...supersampling should be ace for 4k TV owners on these.....
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), but I can look at facts (benchmarks, technical specifiations). It would be strange if RX 580 on steroids (+some vega features + dx12 features build into a chip, plus console games get optimisation that PC cant get) would be only as fast as standard RX 580 (or slower ). If you look at PS4P vs Xbox X GPU, the tflops difference isnt that huge, PS4P is also based on polaris architecture yet performance difference is huge (xbox X can render up to 2.2x as many pixels). Xbox X GPU is totally custom made, and at this point is much faster than standard polaris GPU, and cant be compared to any equivalent PC part. Yet people compare xbox X GPU to PC parts like if it would be the same hardware. Even if xbox X GPU would be use eaxactly RX 580, even then performance on that console will be faster, because consoles always get optimisation, that PC simply cant get.You want to ban him, but for what reason? Because he dont agree with something? He simply have different view, and different opinions, that's all. Few day ago I didint know who that guy is, but I have read few
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Yes, that we will. And it totally make sense, just because of the current mid-gen refreshes. If we have more dynamic res games, a refreshed console has advantages from day one without the need of a patch (well if it is really dynamic and not some sort of predefined "dynamic" resolution).
Here's the thing, Forza 7 released on October 3 2017, now, the video you linked is dated September 21st, the demo released 2 days before that on the 19th of September.....Now I know that, because I downloaded it on the 19th myself......So in essence, the video you're showing is still the demo.....
MaDz video (that one with the biggest dips) was recorded 9 december, and he was using optimised Nv drivers for that game. Because new Nv drivers were so much better, ComputerBase has included updated results, so in their benchmark chart GTX 1060 no longer dips at 41 fps, it only dips at 49 fps with optimsed drivers
. MaDz video shows 60 fps on average with 46 fps dips (comparable results), and that's with high settings. What's funny MaDz have even admitted his GTX 1060 cant match xbox X results in that game (I like his YT video channel, because he is honest person). My PC can indeed easily run forza 7 at 4K (even with MSAAx8), but GTX 1060 is a little bit slower for locked 60fps, min. fps would have to be 15 fps higher to match xbox X results.
), but this is the most dishonest xbox X vs PC comparison video I have ever seen, and with current prices, even GTX 1060 is sometimes as expensive as xbox X (I have seen prices like that in my country).
I agree that by right the AMD card in the XBONEX should be running this better and have an advantage over the 1060, but things are a bit different with consoles, they do share a similar pipeline for CPU and GPU....However, the reality is that the PC version at max does have higher settings then the XBONEX, in fact, better MB, A higher footprint for AA (when that is applied), better lighting quality etc....XBONEX is also known to scale settings dynamically to keep the framerate locked, hence why you will have lower LOD on cars on XBONEX at times........I agree the XBONEX version looks great and runs great, especially with HDR, but I'm pretty sure if the 1060 had dynamic settings, the lower quality MB and lighting, it would be locked 60 in many of the videos you see for the GTX 1060 too....MaDz video (that one with the biggest dips) was recorded 9 december, and he was using optimised Nv drivers for that game. Because new Nv drivers were so much better, ComputerBase has included updated results, so in their benchmark chart GTX 1060 no longer dips at 41 fps, it only dips at 49 fps with optimsed drivers
U use 1 frame from a game with a locked frame rate to do a performance comparison .. what a joke try responding to the benchmarks and my posts rather than pretending they dont exist.I agree that by right the AMD card in the XBONEX should be running this better and have an advantage over the 1060, but things are a bit different with consoles, they do share a similar pipeline for CPU and GPU....However, the reality is that the PC version at max does have higher settings then the XBONEX, in fact, better MB, A higher footprint for AA (when that is applied), better lighting quality etc....XBONEX is also known to scale settings dynamically to keep the framerate locked, hence why you will have lower LOD on cars on XBONEX at times........I agree the XBONEX version looks great and runs great, especially with HDR, but I'm pretty sure if the 1060 had dynamic settings, the lower quality MB and lighting, it would be locked 60 in many of the videos you see for the GTX 1060 too....
Anyway, this is my last video on this bit, check it out.........beyond the intro, it stays above 60fps at 4k with everything at max minus AA, no dynamic settings or lower MB, lighting or car-models....
I'm trying to show you the dynamic settings that happens on XBONEX at times, detail is dynamically lowered or altered based on what's happening on screen or load, hence why you will get slightly pushed back detail or lower car lods on top of the worse MB and lighting.... Jerm is not the only one to have pointed lower lod cars btw......In your video, I noticed this....as an example...the sign, it happens with other details as well with dynamic settings to keep the framerate locked.....Not questioning that framerate should be prioritized, just showing some of the mis-matches.. that exist.....and explain why you would see some dips on the Gtx 1060 in comparison.
You know you forgot to put in your 30 fps mirrors.I'm trying to show you the dynamic settings that happens on XBONEX at times, detail is dynamically lowered or altered based on what's happening on screen or load, hence why you will get slightly pushed back detail or lower car lods on top of the worse MB and lighting.... Jerm is not the only one to have pointed lower lod cars btw......In your video, I noticed this....as an example...the sign, it happens with other details as well with dynamic settings to keep the framerate locked.....Not questioning that framerate should be prioritized, just showing some of the mis-matches.. that exist.....and explain why you would see some dips on the Gtx 1060 in comparison.
MaDz video shows High settings, not ULTRA. At this point xbox X version settings should be comparable, if not higher. The same with wolfenstein 2, I have purposely linked videos with low/med settings, because I know most xbox X games arnt maxed out, but even with setting at low/med GTX 1060 still have performance problems compared to xbox X at 4K dynamic (and at 4K native it's even worse 35-45fps), so it shows xbox X GPU is more capable than people are willing to admit. And the thing is, RX 580 isnt that much faster in that game (1-4 fps faster at 4K according to gamegpu benchmark results).
That looks like a loading issue, not LOD, TLW, and I think you know that. The words on the sign are completely missing, not lower in detail. It seems a lot of your examples are extremely disingenuous and get called out for being so quite often.I agree that by right the AMD card in the XBONEX should be running this better and have an advantage over the 1060, but things are a bit different with consoles, they do share a similar pipeline for CPU and GPU....However, the reality is that the PC version at max does have higher settings then the XBONEX, in fact, better MB, A higher footprint for AA (when that is applied), better lighting quality etc....XBONEX is also known to scale settings dynamically to keep the framerate locked, hence why you will have lower LOD on cars on XBONEX at times........I agree the XBONEX version looks great and runs great, especially with HDR, but I'm pretty sure if the 1060 had dynamic settings, the lower quality MB and lighting, it would be locked 60 in many of the videos you see for the GTX 1060 too....
Anyway, this is my last video on this bit, check it out.........beyond the intro, it stays above 60fps at 4k with everything at max minus AA, no dynamic settings or lower MB, lighting or car-models....
I'm trying to show you the dynamic settings that happens on XBONEX at times, detail is dynamically lowered or altered based on what's happening on screen or load, hence why you will get slightly pushed back detail or lower car lods on top of the worse MB and lighting.... Jerm is not the only one to have pointed lower lod cars btw......In your video, I noticed this....as an example...the sign, it happens with other details as well with dynamic settings to keep the framerate locked.....Not questioning that framerate should be prioritized, just showing some of the mis-matches.. that exist.....and explain why you would see some dips on the Gtx 1060 in comparison.
Yes, but the video I showed you is at Ultra, best MB, best lighting, no dynamic settings and the lowest drop is 52 fps near the intro...That's because all the cars are at the starting line with the best lods on PC (no dynamic level of detail), that's on top of the better graphical settings....You look past the intro and it never drops below 60, even in the heavy weather part, I think you mentioned in another video that weather caused framedrops.... Also, EQAAx2 is really not much of a footprint on AMD cards.....So yes, there's no AA, but the better settings on PC have a greater hit on the GPU as it is.......I'm sure if GTX 1060 had dynamic detail it would be locked 60 just the same....
Because that gameplay video shows GTX 1070 struggeling even with settings and resolution turned down, than I dont have to belive in anything, because then we are talking about facts. :
That's not at all what was said.
Is that why most XBX games run below 4K?
Timely response that allows return discussion. :-/
450$? So basically he is using OLD AND USED parts prices, and probably even stollen windows 10 key for 10$ (legit key is 100$ alone) and he compared that to NEW xbox X (with warranty and everything new). I'm not xbox fan (xbox fans on this site even say I'm xbox hater
