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[Sparrowhawk]

Well, since GAF is back I'm bumping this thread to share my experience with the cable, as I don't know if I'm going to keep posting here as often. Anyway, I'm pretty impressed with the results, so judge for yourself:

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Okay, this is goddamn impressive. I was skeptical and was writing this off as a scam like many "premium" HDMI cables, but I'm going to get one for myself as a birthday present.

 

[aka_bueno]

What’s the difference between the gaming and cinema versions? The cinema version is like half the price.

I think the added anti-aliasing is amazing, it’s my biggest gripes with console games and if I could get less jaggies on my Switch it would be a godsend. Mario Kart, Mario Odyssey, Zelda would be so much cleaner! But I don’t like how the cable has some extra processing and from all the comparisons I’ve seen, it makes the image slightly darker or adds a little contrast making the darks darker and losing a little shadow detail. Also see edge sharpening with slight haloing around edges. But I’d still take it cause the anti-aliasing improvement far outweighs that for me.

 

[pixelation]

Would this add an added lick of AA to a game that already has some?

 

[Inuhanyou]

What’s the difference between the gaming and cinema versions? The cinema version is like half the price.

I think the added anti-aliasing is amazing, it’s my biggest gripes with console games and if I could get less jaggies on my Switch it would be a godsend. Mario Kart, Mario Odyssey, Zelda would be so much cleaner! But I don’t like how the cable has some extra processing and from all the comparisons I’ve seen, it makes the image slightly darker or adds a little contrast making the darks darker and losing a little shadow detail. Also see edge sharpening with slight haloing around edges. But I’d still take it cause the anti-aliasing improvement far outweighs that for me.

i want to know this...like do i HAVE to get the gaming edition to see a difference in games, or will the cinema version do "good enough" to clean up the image?

 

[YuriLowell]

How would this setup work with a receiver?

 

[Jamix012]

i want to know this...like do i HAVE to get the gaming edition to see a difference in games, or will the cinema version do "good enough" to clean up the image?

My biggest guess is that the cinema one adds a tonne of lag, because lag means nothing for cinema. That's just a guess though.

 

[marc^o^]

How would this setup work with a receiver?

You plug this cable from the TV to the receiver, and then your console as usual to your receiver.

About the no lag perception, I’m not the only one saying this: https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Gener...ble-Gaming-Edition-Remove-Aliasing-HDMI-Cable

All impressions I read in my research, before buying it, report there is no lag.

 

[JP]

What’s the difference between the gaming and cinema versions? The cinema version is like half the price.

I think the added anti-aliasing is amazing, it’s my biggest gripes with console games and if I could get less jaggies on my Switch it would be a godsend. Mario Kart, Mario Odyssey, Zelda would be so much cleaner! But I don’t like how the cable has some extra processing and from all the comparisons I’ve seen, it makes the image slightly darker or adds a little contrast making the darks darker and losing a little shadow detail. Also see edge sharpening with slight haloing around edges. But I’d still take it cause the anti-aliasing improvement far outweighs that for me.

i want to know this...like do i HAVE to get the gaming edition to see a difference in games, or will the cinema version do "good enough" to clean up the image?

They do have videos on their YouTube channels explaining stuff like this, this is the one you're looking for.

The difference between mCable Cinema and Gaming Editions

 

[Inuhanyou]

My biggest guess is that the cinema one adds a tonne of lag, because lag means nothing for cinema. That's just a guess though.

:l thanks, sounds right but i wish i had some confirmation..if you ever happen to find any discussions on it to give weight to the subject, i'd really appreciate it.

We need DF on these things stat

They do have videos on their YouTube channels explaining stuff like this, this is the one you're looking for.

The difference between mCable Cinema and Gaming Editions

i already saw that one earlier, i love his accent but all he says is the gaming one has a gaming oriented chip and the video one has a video oriented chip. He doesnt actually answer the nuanced questions like whether or not using the video one for games introduces lag, does it still give visual benefits and vice versa ect

 

[f@luS]

i want to know this...like do i HAVE to get the gaming edition to see a difference in games, or will the cinema version do "good enough" to clean up the image?

Well , I’ll reveuve both the mcable gaming and the Philips truvision Which has the same chip as the mcable cinéma. So I’ll test this. I think I’ve read that the cinema add a bit blurrier AA than the gaming mostly which doesn’t blur or almost not the IQ

 

[Timu]

Well , I’ll reveuve both the mcable gaming and the Philips truvision Which has the same chip as the mcable cinéma. So I’ll test this. I think I’ve read that the cinema add a bit blurrier AA than the gaming mostly which doesn’t blur or almost not the IQ

The Gaming one would probably be the better one overall.

 

[f@luS]

The Gaming one would probably be the better one overall.

Obviously.
Paying 130e for the gaming one is a step already I’ve done and waiting for it now
I’ve just bought a Philips one as well for my psvr as I’ve read it’s already quite an improvement. And it’s 30e. Quite the difference

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

You plug this cable from the TV to the receiver, and then your console as usual to your receiver.

About the no lag perception, I’m not the only one saying this: https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Gener...ble-Gaming-Edition-Remove-Aliasing-HDMI-Cable

All impressions I read in my research, before buying it, report there is no lag.

Seems that this thing is legit. Exciting stuff.

 

[Inuhanyou]

The Gaming one would probably be the better one overall.

well yeah, but my real question is if its 130 dollars better

 

[Southcott]

Really excited to see some comparisons of the Seiki and Philips cables against the mCable

 

[gingerbeardman]

Also, I just saw another similar powered upscaling cable by Thor: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00PHBUHNW/

And an adapter by Lindy https://www.lindy.co.uk/audio-video-c2/converters-scalers-c105/hdmi-4k-upscaling-adapter-p8865

 

[radewagon]

I have a request,

If you have a WiiU, could you put in something like Xenoblade Chronicles (The Wii game) and compare shots from that?

Something like Metroid Prime Trilogy would work as well. It's harder to tell in the Skyward Sword shots.

Also, do you HAVE to set the WiiU output to 480p for this to work? You can't just set the output to 1080p and then plug it in?

I can try to take some comparisons of Metroid Trilogy this weekend. Unless someone beats me to it (cool how active this thread is).

As for setting the WiiU to 480p, sadly, my experiences showed that 1080p output from the WiiU on Wii titles eliminated pretty much all benefits. It really needs to be set to 480p (for Wii titles) in order for the image to be sufficiently improved by the mCable.

 

[Darknight]

Can someone test this with a VitaTV playing jaggie Vita games on the big tv? What about PSP games etc etc through it?

 

[Peterthumpa]

Also, I just saw another similar powered upscaling cable by Thor: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00PHBUHNW/

And an adapter by Lindy https://www.lindy.co.uk/audio-video-c2/converters-scalers-c105/hdmi-4k-upscaling-adapter-p8865

I don't see "real-time anti-aliasing" anywhere in the descriptions for those cables and all the others mentioned here. As far as I know, only the Marseille one is able to do it, but if you can get the same quality for cheaper, this is even more exciting for those who want a solution like this.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Can someone test this with a VitaTV playing jaggie Vita games on the big tv? What about PSP games etc etc through it?

Oh god this please.

 

[Peterthumpa]

Ok, here's a few more comparisons - now on PS4.
Settings: PS4 Pro / 4K TV set to 1080p. The cable works (as in, a normal HDMI cable) when the system is set to 4K, but no AA is applied.

Driveclub - Generic:

Driveclub - mCable:

Driveclub - Generic:

Driveclub - mCable:

Driveclub - Generic:

Driveclub - mCable:

Driveclub - Generic:

Driveclub - mCable:

Alien Isolation - Generic:

Alien Isolation - mCable:

Bloodborne - Generic:

Bloodborne - mCable:

 

[Darknight]

Ok, here's a few more comparisons - now on PS4.
Settings: PS4 Pro / 4K TV set to 1080p. The cable works (as in, a normal HDMI cable) when the system is set to 4K, but no AA is applied.

Driveclub - Generic:

Driveclub - mCable:

Driveclub - Generic:

Driveclub - mCable:

Driveclub - Generic:

Driveclub - mCable:

Driveclub - Generic:

Driveclub - mCable:

Alien Isolation - Generic:

Alien Isolation - mCable:

Bloodborne - Generic:

Bloodborne - mCable:

Wow at Bloodborne. Nice man, keep em coming!!

Does this work with PSVR as well? OMG I may have to get it for Driveclub VR and a few other jaggie games. lol

 

[Deleted member 471617]

Ok, here's a few more comparisons - now on PS4.
Settings: PS4 Pro / 4K TV set to 1080p. The cable works (as in, a normal HDMI cable) when the system is set to 4K, but no AA is applied.

So basically, if you're playing in 4K, the mCable is the same as the hdmi cable that came with the PS4 Pro?

 

[Peterthumpa]

So basically, if you're playing in 4K, the mCable is the same as the hdmi cable that came with the PS4 Pro?

Exactly.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

Exactly.

You just made the decision to buy or not buy the mCable for me and saved me money in the process. Thanks.

 

[Peterthumpa]

You just made the decision to buy or not buy the mCable for me and saved me money in the process. Thanks.

Well, it's not like you need such alternative AA methods for games that take advantage of the Pro, but for those who don't, it's a nice little bonus that requires a small, manual configuration.

 

[TransTrender]

Wow, this is super impressive.

Might have to add one of these to my list.

 

[BigDug13]

You just made the decision to buy or not buy the mCable for me and saved me money in the process. Thanks.

This is more like for the Switch and standard Blu-Ray and things like that. Stuff that's being delivered to the 4K TV as 1080p, and sometimes even upscaled to 1080p to begin with. This isn't for Pro owners playing PS4 games that have 4k output.

 

[Reallink]

Ok, here's a few more comparisons - now on PS4.
Settings: PS4 Pro / 4K TV set to 1080p. The cable works (as in, a normal HDMI cable) when the system is set to 4K, but no AA is applied.

Fel can you confirm whether your PS4 display setting is RGB or 4:2:0? "Video Output Information" in the PS4 display menu will tell you? RGB requires full bandwidth HDMI 2.0 (18Gbps), 4:2:0 will operate over HDMI 1.4 (10.2Gbps). If you have it on Auto, it quite possible the system is choosing 4:2:0.

 

[Peterthumpa]

Fel can you confirm whether your PS4 display setting is RGB or 4:2:0? RGB requires full bandwidth HDMI 2.0 (18Gbps), 4:2:0 will operate over HDMI 1.4 (10.2Gbps).

It's RGB, and my TV also displays in the "more info" panel an HDMI 2.0 icon.

 

[gingerbeardman]

I don't see "real-time anti-aliasing" anywhere in the descriptions for those cables and all the others mentioned here. As far as I know, only the Marseille one is able to do it, but if you can get the same quality for cheaper, this is even more exciting for those who want a solution like this.

The Thor cable definitely uses the Marseille chip. And they call anti-aliasing "refining jagged edges" and/or "edge restoration" http://www.thor-av.com/services/

I'll try to find the info on Lindy that I saw. But it's essential the same wording.

There's another Sagemcom UP200. Look at the Marseille logo on the cable. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0146ODU3O/

And more http://www.hdelite.eu/en/

And here's a French comparison Thor vs HDelite vs mCable

http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/...hdmi-actif-thor-hdelite-mcable-t30078639.html

 

[Peterthumpa]

The Thor cable definitely uses the Marseille chip. And they call anti-aliasing "refining jagged edges" and/or "edge restoration" http://www.thor-av.com/services/

I'll try to find the info on Lindy that I saw. But it's essential the same wording.

There's another Sagemcom UP200. Look at the Marseille logo on the cable. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0146ODU3O/

And more http://www.hdelite.eu/en/

And here's a French comparison Thor vs HDelite vs mCable

http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/...hdmi-actif-thor-hdelite-mcable-t30078639.html

That's cool, but I'd definitely wait for reviews on that French topic or elsewhere. They all seem to be using the V1 of the Marseille chip (or something comparable to it). The "new", V2 mCable is the one supposed to add proper anti-aliasing.

 

[gingerbeardman]

That's cool, but I'd definitely wait for reviews on that French topic or elsewhere. They all seem to be using the V1 of the Marseille chip (or something comparable to it). The "new", V2 mCable is the one supposed to add proper anti-aliasing.

There's chat on the French thread about 3 versions?

HDelite v1
Thor v2
mCable v3

Need to read more.

 

[Peterthumpa]

There's chat on the French thread about 3 versions?

HDelite v1
Thor v2
mCable v3

Need to read more.

Yeah, it's a bit of mess to understand right now.

 

[gingerbeardman]

Maybe 30Hz limit signifies old versions?

 

[SeeThree]

This reminded me of the hilarious Darbee Darblet thread.

 

[gingerbeardman]

This reminded me of the hilarious Darbee Darblet thread.

That was $300 and had lag.
These don't. That's progress. What a time to be alive.

 

[marc^o^]

Here are some Dark Souls comparisons:
http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/JeuxVideo/Consoles/mcable-gaming-aliasing-sujet_193888_1.htm#t13522533

Looking at it, this cable seems to be better suited to cartoony/Nintendo games, as it adds a "painting" look to some parts of the image (see the water sections in the zoom images).

EDIT:

Hey now this is edited.

 

[gingerbeardman]

Here's a PDF that explains the difference between versions of the Marseille chip

http://www.technicolor.com/download/file/fid/4694

Here are some Dark Souls comparions:
http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/JeuxVideo/Consoles/mcable-gaming-aliasing-sujet_193888_1.htm#t13522533

Looking at this comparison, this cable seems to be better suited to cartoony/Nintendo games, as it ads a "painting" look to some parts of the image (see the water sections in the zoom images).

I think they're by somebody in this thread?

 

[Peterthumpa]

Here are some Dark Souls comparisons:
http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/JeuxVideo/Consoles/mcable-gaming-aliasing-sujet_193888_1.htm#t13522533

Looking at it, this cable seems to be better suited to cartoony/Nintendo games, as it ads a "painting" look to some parts of the image (see the water sections in the zoom images).

Worked pretty well in Bloodborne for me though. Driveclub got a nice boost in IQ as well.

 

[martino]

what about that
https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0146ODU3O/

look a like the mcable. Can it be the same cable without brand overprice ?
need gaf detective here.

edit : faq in the link says it could be Marseille proc without usb alim.

 

[gingerbeardman]

what about that
https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0146ODU3O/

look a like the mcable. Can it be the same cable without brand overprice ?
need gaf detective here.

edit : faq in the link says it could be Marseille proc without usb alim.

It's mentioned earlier in the thread. It does have USB power. What looks like a fat cable is two cables: image and power. See box: http://www.gastro-grande.de/produkt...r-aktive-4k-hdmi-kabel-schwarz-silber-2m-neu/

 

[Xcell Miguel]

what about that
https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B0146ODU3O/

look a like the mcable. Can it be the same cable without brand overprice ?
need gaf detective here.

edit : faq in the link says it could be Marseille proc without usb alim.

The FAQ also says the first answer is wrong and there's USB, also you can see on the longer HDMI plug that there's two cables.

I ordered it, I should get it tomorrow, I may do some videos for Gamersyde.

 

[raschi]

I have a feeling this thing will destroy 2D pixel art.

 

[martino]

Ok sorry for upping part of the thread i didn't read.
Waiting for your feedback then
At this price i buy it right away

 

[Miggytronz]

Wonder how well this works on a XBOX One (S) after seeing those PS4 pics. Someone please test it on Halo 5 please.

 

[Peterthumpa]

I have a feeling this thing will destroy 2D pixel art.

It doesn't. Golf Story looks exactly the same to me.

 

[Turrican3]

I'm confused.

Isn't the amazon.fr cable a bit... cheap? Are we sure it's the exact same cable?

 

[Xcell Miguel]

I'm confused.

Isn't the amazon.fr cable a bit... cheap? Are we sure it's the exact same cable?

The FAQ says it uses the Marseille chip too, if I don't get the same results I'll notify here and send it back.

 

[Turrican3]

The FAQ says it uses the Marseille chip too, if I don't get the same results I'll notify here and send it back.

That's nice to hear!

Are you going (assuming it is technically feasible and/or you have the needed equipment) to test the amount of lag introduced too?