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Mass shooting in Dayton, Ohio. 7+ dead

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The enormous impact of missing fathers & broken homes on social disintegration and crime wasn't even that controversial; even Obama pushed it in many speeches where the excepts would be considered Right-wing today.

Fun fact-check of yore: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jun/23/barack-obama/statistics-dont-lie-in-this-case/

As for recent mass-shooters, the set of individuals is so small that any purely statistical analysis is going to be meaningless. What can be meaningful is to look at the increase in male lives that feel like they're at a dead-end and are willing to burn the world down. You don't see that in a healthy society.

Anyhow, did anyone post this revealing little tell-all by his ex-"girlfriend"? (quotes due to unsurprising polyamory)

At first I wasn't sure of authenticity, but that article has now been highlighted by some mainstream news outlets. Anyhow, look at the kinds of lives young people think are acceptable now:



Ugh. His girlfriend's fiance.

....Girlfriend's fiance.

What a joke.
Imagine cucking yourself for this :messenger_tears_of_joy:

 

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I thought Missouri was an open carry state so what's the problem?
UPDATE:

Basedon early reports, it sounds like this fool was in full body armor, armed, and walking around walmart filming himself and people running away.

Pictures of his getup in this article:

Open carry doesn't bother me, but if you are literally filming people running, dressed like this, at a walmart days after a mass shooting, you deserve to have the book thrown at you. That is not open carry, that is a terroristic act. Either he went there to kill and changed his mind, or he went there to scare people.
 

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It's not a contest, but I understand your point. Both are cases of horrible, senseless violence and suffering. The mainstream media is a prime culprit in the framing of perception.
No its not a contest but it shows clear racism, democrat favoritism and bias in the media and guess which of the two political sides is and has been 100% ok with this for the last decades and sees absolutely nothing wrong with it despite producing mass shooter numbers of corpses borderline weekly.
geee interesting isnt it
 
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Razvedka

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UPDATE:

Basedon early reports, it sounds like this fool was in full body armor, armed, and walking around walmart filming himself and people running away.

Pictures of his getup in this article:

Open carry doesn't bother me, but if you are literally filming people running, dressed like this, at a walmart days after a mass shooting, you deserve to have the book thrown at you. That is not open carry, that is a terroristic act. Either he went there to kill and changed his mind, or he went there to scare people.
Right. On the one hand, this guy is a complete asshole who was trying to stir the pot for some retarded reason.

On the other, I'm not sure he did anything wrong legally. Maybe disturbing the peace?
 

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OMG! Can you imagine how peaceful the world would be if guns didn’t exist? Oh! You don’t have to imagine. There was such a time; it’s called our past.

Before guns, people lived in harmony. They had no choice but to, as they had nothing to shoot each other with. So if they had a problem, they just talked things out. If things got really heated, they’d settle shit with a riddle competition.

Back then, men were respectful to women, as there were no guns to enhance toxic masculinity. Also, politicians only ever did the will of the people since there was no NRA to buy them off. And no one knew anything about war, because how would you have a war without guns? Throw rocks at each other?

Life was basically as peaceful as a John Lennon song or a Communist country.

Things changed, though, when the inventor of guns created guns in his racism laboratory while trying to find ways to enhance racism.

Since then, gun deaths have increased infinity-fold, from zero to more than zero.

Because of guns, we now have violence, murder, and, some awesome John Wick movies.

Also, think of all the wars since then. World War I. World War II. World War: Vietnam. World War: Desert Heat. And the World War prequel, World War Stories: The Civil War.

It’s no exaggeration to say things are now a million billion times more violent than before guns were invented. It’s past time to get rid of all the guns and go back to how peaceful and nice everyone was in ancient history. It won’t end all conflicts, but it will get pretty close. We’ll just have to think of some good riddles to stave off invasion.
 

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Right. On the one hand, this guy is a complete asshole who was trying to stir the pot for some retarded reason.

On the other, I'm not sure he did anything wrong legally. Maybe disturbing the peace?
2nd update.

Ok, there are multiple versions of this story going around now. In one, he's actively filming people trying to get a reaction. In the other, the manager pulls the fire alarm [this happens in both versions], which is why people freak out and run.

Hmmmm. This makes this difficult.

I have to support the guy if he, knowing shootings are happening at walmarts, went to walmart with body armor and his gun so that he could protect himself and others. That does not bother me, and he is well within his rights. I am happy when targets are hard, just like I'm glad the fireman in this story was armed.

If, however, he was intentionally trying to scare people [acting crazy, zero gun discipline, filming people] then that's disturbing the peace at a bare minimum.

So, ultimately, until the reports converge on a single narrative i have no idea where i fall. And special consideration needs to be given when everybody is on edge... that is, if he was acting oddly, i have zero problem with a citizen arrest situation, and allowing authorities to sort it out. If he wasn't acting oddly, then this was an overreaction but an understandable one.
 
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if you walk into a walmart loaded like rambo, i'd probably shoot you down without hesitation

he's lucky he was detained
 
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I'm pretty sure that there has been more then 1 mass shooting in Brazil or zero in France or Denmark for 2019.

Three dead, one wounded, that is a mass shooting according to the method used to get to 241 count for the US


Four people and eleven shot and killed. Looks like two mass shootings to me.

Again, this meets the standard of a mass shooting.

And some of these countries should not be compared without adjusting for population. If a single mass shooting were to happen in Luxembourg that would be the equivalent to 641 mass shootings in the US.
 
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right, democratic states like:

1) Louisiana (R)
2) Missouri (R)
3) Maryland (D)
4) Arkansas (R)
5) Alaska (R)
6) Alabama (R)
7) Mississippi (R)
8) Illinois (D)
9) South Carolina (R)
10) Tennessee (R)

I'll give you two of those, I don't think two out of the top ten proves your point very effectively, though

@DunDunDunpachi purposely posted his per county graph as total number, not rate. It's the type of dishonest thing he regularly does here. Any graph will show highest 'total number' of pretty much anything in 'Democratic counties', since they tend to be high population.
Rate is a much more useful statistic here, and areas that vote either way have these problems
I tried the "it's not a Democratic or Republican state issue, it's an American issue, and it's not constructive to think of these things through a politicized lens" rhetoric before. It doesn't seem to be a well received message.
 
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Pretty much.

White dude kills people = media cares = they care because it gets ratings from viewers

Black gang dudes plug each other = media doesn't care = they don't care because nobody else cares
If there US went after possible mass shooters as much as it went after gang violence.....You guys are pushing for things that you really don't want.
 

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I didn't know where to put this, so I figure this thread is as good as any. I love true crime, have studied it for years. I wanted to crunch some numbers and see where they took me. Did it with no agenda, didn't try to prove anything I just let the numbers speak.

It varies by the year obviously, but the US has about 17,000-20,000 homicides per year. About 14,000-16,000 of those are from guns. This year 255 have been from mass shootings, so still the far far number of homicides by gun are not mass shootings.

Now obviously this varies as well, because organizations report numbers differently for every country, but the US ranks 88th in the world for homicide rate per 100,000. They are roughly 7th total in the world if you just go by total homicides.

Now, the countries ahead of the US are pretty much all war torn countries or horribly dangerous countries. In the Africas or South America. Or West Asia.

If you take away all gun homicides, the US falls to about 120-125th in the world in homicide rate per 100,000. Still ahead of most first world countries. France, Italy, UK, China, Germany, etc etc.

Trying to really dive deep into the US and figure out if we truly are a more violent nation than most. So far I'm leaning yes. If we didn't have any guns in this country at all, I do wonder how many of those 14,000-16,000 gun homicides would just be taken away completely or would be converted into homicides via other means. That's an answer none of us know, but I am curious.

Anyway, just wanted to share.
 

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I didn't know where to put this, so I figure this thread is as good as any. I love true crime, have studied it for years. I wanted to crunch some numbers and see where they took me. Did it with no agenda, didn't try to prove anything I just let the numbers speak.

It varies by the year obviously, but the US has about 17,000-20,000 homicides per year. About 14,000-16,000 of those are from guns. This year 255 have been from mass shootings, so still the far far number of homicides by gun are not mass shootings.

Now obviously this varies as well, because organizations report numbers differently for every country, but the US ranks 88th in the world for homicide rate per 100,000. They are roughly 7th total in the world if you just go by total homicides.

Now, the countries ahead of the US are pretty much all war torn countries or horribly dangerous countries. In the Africas or South America. Or West Asia.

If you take away all gun homicides, the US falls to about 120-125th in the world in homicide rate per 100,000. Still ahead of most first world countries. France, Italy, UK, China, Germany, etc etc.

Trying to really dive deep into the US and figure out if we truly are a more violent nation than most. So far I'm leaning yes. If we didn't have any guns in this country at all, I do wonder how many of those 14,000-16,000 gun homicides would just be taken away completely or would be converted into homicides via other means. That's an answer none of us know, but I am curious.

Anyway, just wanted to share.

Few points.

1. People need to understand that the terms 'First World', 'Second World' and 'Third World' refer to the political alignments during the Cold War. First World were capitalist nations allied with the US, Second World were those aligned with the Soviet Union, and the Third World were those nations which were unaffiliated with either. Third World has grown to mean 'developing nation', but it didn't really start that way.

2. We are not all that similar to other 'First World' nations, and I repeat this point from my initial post in this thread because it is important for people to understand it.



What is Ethnic Fractionalization? To quote Encyclopedia.com: "Ethnic fractionalization (EF) deals with the number, sizes, socioeconomic distribution, and geographical location of distinct cultural groups, usually in a state or some otherwise delineated territory. "

The higher amount of EF typically the more 'friction' there is likely to be in a given society. This should ring true for most of you by just looking at this picture. As you can see the United States is not Europe.

In many ways, the US has more in common with South America (largely younger, more diverse, nations) than our European cousins. 'Our problems are not your problems'.

3. The US has Baltimore, Detroit, St. Lewis, Oakland, Memphis, Birmingham, Atlanta, Stockland, and Cleveland. Or in other words, we have a bunch of little hot spots that drastically skew the averages for the entire nation. Detroit is practically a 'third world country' inside of the United States. We're a pretty big country, again unlike our friends across the pond, so one shouldn't confuse the troubles in those places for all of America.
 
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A lot of people just use it casually, which is what I was doing. It's easier to generalize several "well off" countries that way than to list them out individually.
 
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Right, but my point is that we actually have less in common than most people assume and is implied by that grouping. Plus, it's a byproduct of the Cold War and pointing out it's origins spells out just what the connection truly is according to the term.
 

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tom cruise is probably right that we hand out psyche meds like candy

i've worked with enough psychosis patients to see the trend line between suicidal thoughts and homicidal rage

when you chemically castrate a dude's aggression, all you're doing is sending it to the shadow realm of the unconscious

imo that's america's problem, not guns or ultra violence or games or porn, but psyche pills and probably marijuana or the unregulated shit like spice that fry your frontal cortex's impulse controls
 
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Razvedka

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tom cruise is probably right that we hand out psyche meds like candy

i've worked with enough psychosis patients to see the trend line between suicidal thoughts and homicidal rage

when you chemically castrate a dude's aggression, all you're doing is sending it to the shadow realm of the unconscious

imo that's america's problem, not guns or ultra violence or games or porn, but psyche pills and probably marijuana or the unregulated shit like spice that fry your frontal cortex's impulse controls
Agreed.

Kinda weird someone as objectively insane as Cruise is on point about this.
 

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Agreed.

Kinda weird someone as objectively insane as Cruise is on point about this.
if the scientology nuts would just drop the paranormal shit and get back to being pretty damn good at getting people off drugs, they'd probably dominate the world like they want
 
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if the scientology nuts would just drop the paranormal shit and get back to being pretty damn good at getting people off drugs, they'd probably dominate the world like they want
Since Scientology is mentioned and after watching Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, I have to mention that Charles Manson converted to Scientology in Prison, but the stopped after 150 hours of auditing because he said it was too damn crazy.

 
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Since Scientology is mentioned and after watching Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, I have to mention that Charles Manson converted to Scientology in Prison, but the stopped after 150 hours of auditing because he said it was too damn crazy.

hahaha, this might be the best bit of trivia i've ever read

desert you magnificent bastard
 
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