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Matt Booty (Xbox): No next gen exclusives for the next two years
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DeltaPolarBear
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You are assuming next gen experience is the goal of Sony. How does that even work? Next gen experience is the MEANS, what Sony use to get people to upgrade. The idea that you believe Sony want to offer next gen gameplay as some kind of charity, is mind boggling to me.
You say maybe Sony could offer games without the next gen machine. i say the next gen machine being sold is the GOAL, so you are saying Sony should stop selling consoles...
DeltaPolarBear
Member
As i already said in the other thread, you are not offering any new info. He is just reiterating Microsoft's official stance for the last month or two. Very soon we will see where this road leads.
The Alien
Banned
To me, it is becoming increasingly obvious that Microsoft and Sony are runningv2 different business models.
Sony is focused on selling consoles and games. Microsoft is looking at XBox as a platform for services. Their games and service are available in console, PC, Steam, etc. The more these generations go, the further apart their head to head becomes.
On a more direct note to the post. Microsoft just cant win with some people. If the cut a line at the gen, then they'd be accused of leaving people behind after the X launch. If I'm investing in a game like Halo Infinite, I want a ton of peeps playing. Not just current gen.
Sony is focused on selling consoles and games. Microsoft is looking at XBox as a platform for services. Their games and service are available in console, PC, Steam, etc. The more these generations go, the further apart their head to head becomes.
On a more direct note to the post. Microsoft just cant win with some people. If the cut a line at the gen, then they'd be accused of leaving people behind after the X launch. If I'm investing in a game like Halo Infinite, I want a ton of peeps playing. Not just current gen.
REDRZA MWS
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No, many of you are stuck in the stone ages of cartridges and discs. Companies realize they are going the more PC route with hardware so your entire library of games comes with you, and in some cases look and perform better. The older gen has a much higher install base, the money is there for them. But I bet you anything the next great gAmes are gonna look and run like Ass impacted to Xbsex and Ps5
Again, people are with this stupid narrative! That argument is invalid now - developers do this all the time on PC. Having the option of low-end GPUs and system specs in existence doesn't stop better performance on high-end hardware. It's called scaling back, and it doesn't stop anything, granted a developer is able and willing to push the top-end hardware limits, which I'm sure first-party studios will do. All Microsoft exclusives also come out on PC, and low-end PC specs can give output that is arguably of lesser quality than what one would get on the base Xbox One. This is an old, archaic argument that no longer applies for consoles.
Apart from the millions lost by focusing on next-gen only, multilayer gamers suffer tremendously by focusing on next-gen only. There's a million-man user base out there for Halo, Gears and other multiplayer games (for Sony as well), and everyone knows the more users who can play multiplayer games, the better and healthier the multiplayer experience, generally. Sony has an even larger multiplayer base.
With that said, I'm almost 100% certain that Sony will be doing the same thing for most of their exclusives. They have a near 90 million PS4 user base; they are not just going to let that dry up. 90 million multiplied by 60 ($60 a
game) is a lot of money. Even if five million PS4 users are able to buy a next-gen title, that's five million multiplied by 60, as opposed to a couple thousand multiplied by 60. If you were running a business (Not an egoistic console war, that only really exists in your mind), would you forgo all that money...because? There really is not reason to.
Console sales have marginal profit in it. Selling software is where the money is; why would anyone forgo selling millions more, by limiting their sales potential to a handful of people? I feel confident that Sony will take more or less the same approach.
These console manufacturers honestly do not care about about winning any silly perceived console war that fan boys spend hrs of their lives arguing over online; they honestly don't. They care about making profits, and making as much money as possible. Sony is in this for the same reason Microsoft is; they're good at it and it makes a lot of money. So why put a very hard cap on those potential earnings?
Sure, it would be sweet if everything could be next-gen exclusive going forward, but you're talking literally hundreds of millions in dollars being lost with that approach. It makes absolutely zero business sense. The only difference with Sony is, they may not be as extreme with their exclusives as Microsoft; they may have some exclusives that are PS5 only, but I think a lot of their games will also be available for PS4 and PS4 Pro.
Microsoft has even more reason to take this discussed approach, because at this point they're more service-oriented/subscription oriented than Sony.
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Deputy Moonman
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Right.. they bought all those studios simply to distract from their true goal of not making new games. Seems legit.
Self High Five
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That's pretty much PR since they lost significant marketshare this generation. What they believe ultimately is irrelevant. Third parties will dictate where the support goes, and if current gen sales drop off a cliff like PS360 games did six years ago, everyone will move on.
FYI you won't find a gaming PC or any low system requirements for game released recently that has a weak of a CPU found in Xbox one X....again, you're falling for PR.
mejin
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is he working for MS yet? he really should...working for free is stupid lol
hunthunt
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You woull be surprised how retarded people act when their fanboyism is at that level
I bet he would volunteer to suck a developer's dick every night to push a game to be exclusive for his beloved platform
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DeltaPolarBear
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Isn't he an official analyst?
Still, i find it silly for him to just parrot Xbox's official PR, Can't he throw in some of his own personal comments? Or is that behind a paywall?
MilkyJoe
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AlexxKidd
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He is full of shit and being a mouthpiece for their PR. If Microsoft truly didn't care where you played their games, they'd go full third party and release games like Halo Infinite, Hellblade 2, etc., etc. on the PlayStation 5. You know why they won't do it? Because they DO care where you play their games and they're trying to sell a box just like everybody else, otherwise they wouldn't be making one. Now get this horse shit talking guy out of my face.
DeltaPolarBear
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So you are not pretending to misunderstand, but actually BELIEVE in the PR that Microsoft intentionally delayed their Scarlet exclusives for one year?Never start a business
Nevermind starting a buisness, you are not very cautious about what info get fed to you.
imsosleepy
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Why the fuck would u even say this.. especially when naming 2 years.. their entire messaging sucks ass
Codes 208
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You see, this is something i can respect
You can play minecraft bedrock on playstation now and theyve launched several of their big console exclusives on switch already.
Theyve even opened up to their big games launching on steam rather than locking them to the windows store.
AlexxKidd
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Could people be talking any more out of their ass today? The Last of Us and The Last of Us Remastered released on both the PS3 and PS4 in short order, the same with Grand Theft Auto V, etc. Sony is more than capable, they chose to make PS4 titles exclusively for the next generation just like they chose to do it for every generation, including back when it wasn't "impossible" (lol) from PS1 to PS2 and PS3 to PS4. Try again.
DeltaPolarBear
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I would be amazed if Microsoft pulled the leaver and decided Minecraft would not be on PS5. it would certaijnly reinforce the idea that MS was serious about staying in the console race. But i doubt that would haoppen.
AlexxKidd
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But yet Halo, Sea of Thieves, Gears, Forza, etc. are not on PS4. If they truly didn't care where gamers played their games and are trying to get their games in the hands of as most gamers as possible, they'd bring all of their games to the ecosystem that's sold 106 million consoles and has a 103 million MAU.
thelastword
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Why is Zhuge explaining this, is he an Xbox spokesperson? Regardless of the fact that MS wants to go that route, it doesn't exclude them from putting exclusive content on a hyped up $500 box from their labs, why make the series X/S at all when PC and it's multi-faceted hardware would be just as viable for the cause..... By doing this, they severely limit adaptation of their box.....
The truth is, MS is not the only game in town that has an ecosystem. Sony, Steam, Nintendo, Epic are all vying for your dollar..... MS will not be distinctive enough to accomplish such a goal because they are kicking against their own pricks....MS games are on steam now. Nobody needs MS hardware...
There's no way MS will convince anyone that they don't care about hardware after spending lots of cash on two hardware ski's and just before that all the talk and hype for XBONEX and SAD..... You simply can't say you don't give a damn about hardware and you are the ones hyping hardware more than anybody else..... "most powerful console", 12TF, hardware raytracing leak plants when also suggesting the PS5 will be weaker.... This is a company that's pushing hardware more than anybody else, it's just that they don't have the software to push said hardware atm.... So irrespective of what they say, they won't build a huge ecosystem based on that alone, the lack of compelling software. MS can be on every known device to man, it won't change that fact, unless their software improves by leaps and bounds.... I'll tell you this, MS would love for Series X to sell 200 million copies, they would gloat and post numbers every quarter if it was tracking that way for next gen..
So MS is like this, if hardware sales filter, the excuse is, we don't care about hardware, our games are on every device, but then their games being on every device is certainly not selling close to as much software as PS exclusives on a single device, so their PR is not convincing either way.
Every body seems to forget, that MS predicted 1 billion Xbone units would be sold at the beginning of this gen, MS is certainly not as services based as they'd like you to believe. It's excuses for failures either way.....
Slings and Arrows
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"they care about engagement/spend" Hmm. It's a business and all but what a weird thing to focus on.
"Microsoft care about games". They care so much that their output has been abysmal this gen?
Bring your A game or bow out, Microsoft.
alabtrosMyster
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We know all this, the question is:
Does it make sense (I.E. will it work)... I don't think the "low cost of entry" is viable for the client (paying a recurring fee makes no sense if you play mostly the same game throughout the year, and it makes less sense if you play older games in the library, it also locks you to that library)... So you end up paying much more at the end of the year.
However, people seem to like that format in other markets, case in point Netflix and streaming audio services, but they started by offering people some things they wanted, MS's offer is only mildly interesting to a lot of people, the most interesting games they have were released 10+ years ago.
Obviously reducing friction and multiplying the points of entry, offering compelling hardware, etc. will make the service more attractive, but they need to fix their first party output quality (focus less on the services/monetization scheme and more on the actual offer).
and for the client some questions will remain un-answered:
1 - Will DLC/expansions be included in the games on gamepass? you could end-up with glorified "demos" on the base service. Case in point, a fighting game could be released on gamepass and you would end up having to buy hundreds of dollars of costumes and new characters anyway.
2 - The service offers 400 games now (I checked last week), let's say I love Gears 5 and want to play it for years and years, will they rotate titles (potentially removing my favorite games)? Will they make sure that existing games still work in 10 - 15 years (seems so, but who knows)? What about licensing issues for various contents?
and obviously, we already have PSNow on the Sony side, it had almost 1 million registered users and offers much of the same features (stream and download games, however the streaming is generally of a lesser quality, but in the end they both aren't enticing as a way to play games).
Personally, I don't like that kind of services for games, because having a library of games makes sense, you play the same games for weeks/months at a time, maybe days for a lesser game and better player. so paying a monthly fee to access a library will not make monetary sense (180$ a year, you buy 3 AAA games on 2 AAA games and a couple of older titles + on sale Indie games, this is a lot of play time).
Also, if you play games that are already free like Fortnite, War Frame, etc. that makes no sense... the odd time you will come out of your cave to play an SP game, you may as well just buy it.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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That name is fucking ridiculous.
MilkyJoe
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Both gens are x86, developing will be easier for cross gen, millions of xbox one customers that are not ready to upgrade will still buy your products. what part of business do you need a lesson on?
PS I'm struggling to think when cross gen wasn't a thing...
Insane Metal
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Well fuck Series X then.
Hobbygaming
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God of War and Horizon 2 will definitely be PS5 exclusives and they won't be crossgen
Yep, in hindsight I bet Halo Infinite's trailer not giving us that next generation feel is because of the XB1
Hobbygaming
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If Sony are going to be incorporating SSDs into gameplay designs EX: Spider-man PS5 demo and making bigger or more detailed worlds, they could really do some damage with PS5 exclusives early on
XSX will be limited
XSX will be limited
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JLB
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you are missing my point entirely. Will elaborate after barbecue.
nikolino840
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I'm not worried about Xbox games studios exclusives,they Will come..
I would like to not see anymore a game that Will come out on PS/PC/switch and not on Xbox
I would like to not see anymore a game that Will come out on PS/PC/switch and not on Xbox
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Deleted member 775630
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Well since Microsoft is pushing for Xcloud (mobile, PC), Game Pass (Xbox, PC), it makes sense for third parties to go with the Xbox. More devices, and eventually more people IF Microsoft is able to get them on their platform. It's a big IF of course, but their strategy doesn't depend on XSX, which is a good thing.
farmerboy
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No problem with any of this. Sounds like a well thought out initiative and new ecosystem to grow their business in new ways. Although I'm still unsure how you get big 3rd party games onto gamepass without moneyhatting.
But they best believe that right now, Sony and one of their 1st parties is working on a game demo, that will show off ps5's capabilities as unique and ONLY on ps5.
I don't know, maybe HZD where you're on a stormbird, flying through an electrical storm that's opening up rifts in time. As you fly through those rifts you immediately transport over a busy city skyscape, bang into a Jurassic period, bang over freshly industrialised London. And 100 million people already in an ecosystem they like will say they want in.
While I will admit this is a different strategy then what they have done previous. Even Xbox one they launched with exclusives but I guess there doing this for game pass. I figure once they reach 20 million in the Xbox series X consoles sold they will start putting exclusives. Two years should be enough time for them to reach 20 million. If not you can expect Xbox one versions. Seems like Xbox is looking at forward compatibility like phones.
-Arcadia-
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I know it wouldn’t be the sole reason, but is there any chance that this cross-gen approach is partially connected to X-Cloud? I seem to recall the X-Cloud servers consisting of not even Xbox One Xs, but the spec equivalent of S models.
That kind of tells me that there’s tech and cost obstacles with getting sufficiently advanced hardware into these server farms. As such, it may make perfect sense to support Xbox One for longer, so that X-Cloud doesn’t miss out on new games, or have to undergo a major, possibly infeasible, tech transition.
I’m almost positive this will be there Day 1. They said no exclusives, not that games couldn’t look amazingly better.
That kind of tells me that there’s tech and cost obstacles with getting sufficiently advanced hardware into these server farms. As such, it may make perfect sense to support Xbox One for longer, so that X-Cloud doesn’t miss out on new games, or have to undergo a major, possibly infeasible, tech transition.
I’m almost positive this will be there Day 1. They said no exclusives, not that games couldn’t look amazingly better.
CrisPy2019
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Welllllll......
I didn't expect any next gen exclusive until the gen starts anyway which is what late November early December?
So basically a year.
And then when the consoles are out they are current gen anyway. Therefore again no "next gen" exclusives.
So what's the problem?
I didn't expect any next gen exclusive until the gen starts anyway which is what late November early December?
So basically a year.
And then when the consoles are out they are current gen anyway. Therefore again no "next gen" exclusives.
So what's the problem?
bitbydeath
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This is why they’re not jumping in on VR.
DynamiteCop!
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That's not their stance from the last month or two, that's been their stance for the last going on 4 years. All of this was divulged from the second Project Scorpio was announced, anyone acting shocked or surprised about this is concern trolling flat out.
Kingthrash
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Yeah...just like they didnt rush crackdown ...it turned out fantastic for them.....right
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Well, Crackdown 3 went a production hell, so it's pretty common those games gets pretty bad. Duke Nukem Forever went the same fate, together with The Last Guardian.
It's not exactly a Microsoft thing.
Kingthrash
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At the end of the day...announcing that you wont get 1st party games for 2 years nor forward compatible after 2 years is more than a huge blow...its a catastrophe. Why, buy a xbox when the makers will not support it? The only reason they are even launching a console is to keep their subscription base as high as possible.
We are customers...its time to act like it.
Demand better than this or it will only get worse
We are customers...its time to act like it.
Demand better than this or it will only get worse
SaturnSaturn
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Fucking lol at all the schizos calling Zhuge a microsoft mouthpice when he writes two tweets about them, he has been mainly reporting on sony sales numbers and rumors from sony for yeeeears, take a break from the war people, go outside, take the dog for a walk.
demigod
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Funny last year you said PS5 will have no exclusive, guess you realize how dumb that was.
Funny last year you said PS5 will have no exclusive, guess you realize how dumb that was.
Gavin Stevens
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Did I? Cross gen maybe is what I meant at least.
Halo infinite is a launch title and is next gen. Unless you’re one of those weird people who thinks because it who’ll work on older hardware it couldn’t possibly be next gen
Samanosuke Akechi
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Uh oh....
PS5 “ONLY” titles at PS5 launch. Again, PS5 ONLY.
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PS5 “ONLY” titles at PS5 launch. Again, PS5 ONLY.
Jason Schreier (Kotaku Splitscreen) : "Sony will have PS5 only titles at launch"
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skneogaf
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Why are some of you lot forgetting about the ps4 lack of exclusive games at the beginning of its time. Games take much longer to make nowadays which is why we only got gran turismo sport and not a full game and only one gta game in 6 years.
Both platforms will have a few games out in the first 12 months and continue with 6ish per year as was the case for the playstation 3 and 4 and for the xbox 360.
The xbox one was the exception but Microsoft acquired lots of studios so I'm sure they will go back to matching whatever Sony can do release wise.
Both platforms will have a few games out in the first 12 months and continue with 6ish per year as was the case for the playstation 3 and 4 and for the xbox 360.
The xbox one was the exception but Microsoft acquired lots of studios so I'm sure they will go back to matching whatever Sony can do release wise.
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Airbus Jr
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Did I? Cross gen maybe is what I meant at least.
Halo infinite is a launch title and is next gen. Unless you’re one of those weird people who thinks because it who’ll work on older hardware it couldn’t possibly be next gen
Correct me if im wrong but isnt that halo infonite is coming to x one?
Thats the word im hearing from news around here
edit : im getting it wrong
Of course what a mean is a full series x exclusive...
like..a real nextgen game that is not hampered by older hardware...
I assume you understood the message....
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