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Max Payne 3 – Thoughts of a Brazilian Player

A friend of mine asked to post this here for him, guys. I thought it was interesting, so here you go:



Hello everyone. This is not Insane Metal, as everyone would think, but a friend of him from a Brazilian Game Forum. I am more known as “Pistolero sem-dedo”.

Some days ago, when Max Payne 3 was announced, we here in Brazil got very excited with the news that the game will take place in São Paulo, the Biggest city of our country. Rapidly, I made a post guessing and discussing the places that the game would show, and how the game will not lose the so remarkable Noir feeling of the series.

In the middle of the arguments, the Brazilians that visit the Neogaf forum reported that some people of here were saying some absurd things, like “the game will take place in the middle of the jungle”. As soon as I saw that, I had the idea to make a post for Neogaf to show to you some of the São Paulo culture and way of living, and why this city was chosen to be the place of Max Payne 3.

Well, as you saw in the Game Informer issue, one of the places the story will happen is in some favelas of São Paulo. The City is a very contrastant one, very rich and very poor people live side by side. The photo below, for example, shows the Paraisópolis Favela, and the big differences of acquisitive power the São Paulo Society has, showing why the developers had to make a Favela in the game:

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There is also the heliopolis favela. It is the biggest of the world.

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Well, São Paulo is not made only of favelas, and to be sincere, favelas don’t have a Noir feeling. What I really hope is that the favela level, showed in the Issue of Game Informer, is only one of the places the story will occur.

The City has a lot of places that reminds the places Max visited in the late games. One of these places in São Paulo is Cracolandia (Crack Land, in a literal translation). The Cracolandia is a conglomerate of blocks in the old downtown of São Paulo that is dominated by the crack traffic, and in the middle of day junks addicted to this drug use it on the sideways and alleys:

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If Max really hit the bottom of misery in his life, he is living in Cracolandia.

Near Cracolandia there is a very infamous building, the Edifício São Vito. It is a series of apartments that nowadays is abandoned. Buns, Junks, addicteds and Drug Trafficants live in this building, considered the biggest vertical slums of the World. It’s incredible how this building screams for a level of Max Payne 3. It got more even more fame a few years ago, when the mayor of that time (Marta Suplicy) called a demolition team to destroy São Vito, because it blocked the view of the window of her office. In the end, the demolition never occurred, and the mayor’s office moved to other building. Below there is some photos of São Vito:

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notice the noir style of this picture…

The old downtown of São Paulo resides some other places that could appear in MP3. One of them is the Santa Ifigenia Avenue. At day, it’s a huge black-eletronics market (my X360 came from there), and at night is populated by low price prostitutes and porn theaters.

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The monastery São Bento, where the pope stayed in his visit in São Paulo. It is in the Santa Ifigenia avenue to!

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Santa Ifigenia Bridge – Noir Style

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The Max Payne series doesn’t always shows horrible places. Remembering the games, the final levels always happens in big mannors or office buildings, in the heart of the financial neighbors of New York. São Paulo has places like this to. Below you can see the view of some financial neighbors of São Paulo:

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So, as you can see, we don’t live in the middle of the jungle like a lot of people thought. São Paulo is considered the 3rd biggest city of the world, and is very similar to New York in a variety of ways. Before I forget, sadly there is other bad thing of our city that I didn’t mention. The subway system. It is the most populated subway of the world (yes, it surpasses the Chinese and Japanese in quantity of people per square meters). Some photos to illustrate it:

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Johann

Member
Thank you to your friend and you for sharing.

While they could get the urban (subways, rundown buildings, etc) feel of the game, I can't imagine them pulling off the traditional film noir vibe of the games as easily.
 

Jiguryo

Aryan mech phallus gun
Boa, garoto. I'm fairly sure lots of the "jungle" comments were just for the laughs, but there you go: good selection of pictures to define how varied Brazilian metropolises - in this case, São Paulo - can be.

BTW: Heliópolis is HUGE, but still is no Rocinha. :p
 
Awesome post. Rockstar, hire this dude :p

Am I the only one to think of Football when I read the title "Thoughts of a Brazilian Player"? I was expecting OP to link to Ronaldinho's rant, saying "Rockstar is ruining our city's reputation! You don't know Brazilian culture but I do! Apologize now or... u know the drill".
 
Great post, that subway is amazing- especially the slums. I hadn't read anything from the GameInformer article but the prospect of a Max Payne title in this environment is amazing. I hope Rockstar can capture that.
Very interesting read, thanks.
 

Ether_Snake

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Unlikely that they'll have a big city full of people, I mean really full. If they do, cool, but sadly no game has had enough people per X meters to make them really feel alive yet.

Next-gen will be crazy when we finally get something like an FPS set in a city that feels like there's millions of people living there. But for a game like Max Payne, I expect a structure closer to the original games. But that's fine, if it's not open world, it gives them more focus.
 

Epcott

Member
Yikes... they really do have an actual line where the city goes down hill. Reminds me of Osamu Tezuka's Metropolis in a way (*_*)



Wait wait wait, where the pictures of the women? Bah!
 

Draft

Member
Very interesting and entertaining post.

However, as a Max Payne super fan, I must say that the setting is very low on my list of concerns about Max Payne 3.
 

jstevenson

Sailor Stevenson
Sao Paulo is CRAZY. I've never seen a city quite like it, the downtown area is literally like two Manhattans crammed together. It's unbelievable.

The traffic is so horrible that there is now a booming helicopter taxi industry for all of the executives there.

Oh, and and in the middle of night, people don't stop for red lights due to carjackings.

Beautiful city in an amazingly beautiful country.
 

alistairw

Just so you know, I have the best avatars ever.
Awesome post. City looks like there's plenty of possibilities in there.

Now let's all get back to whining about waaaah Max has a beard and looks like Bonnie Prince Billy or whatever.
 
jstevenson said:
Sao Paulo is CRAZY. I've never seen a city quite like it, the downtown area is literally like two Manhattans crammed together. It's unbelievable.

The traffic is so horrible that there is now a booming helicopter taxi industry for all of the executives there.

Oh, and and in the middle of night, people don't stop for red lights due to carjackings.

Beautiful city in an amazingly beautiful country.
Oh man... <3

Gotta love JS :D :lol
 

skybaby

Member
Afro Thunder said:
Verdade!

São Paulo Defence Force:

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[img]http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp240/tchelinhoo/Panamby/61.jpg[img]

[img]http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo298/Isidoro27/95.jpg/img]

[img]http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr164/isidoro28/50.jpg/img]

[img]http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo248/28isidoro/30.jpg[img]

[img]http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp344/edithferreira/07.jpg[img]

[img]http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp344/edithferreira/76.jpg[img]

[img]http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww325/ricguerrato/65.jpg[img]

[img]http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp240/tchelinhoo/alto%20de%20pinheiros/68.jpg[img]

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More:
[url]http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=852656[/url]
[url]http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=853116[/url][/QUOTE]
Pictures of buildings YAY! Sorry but São Paulo is ugly as fuck
 
jstevenson said:
Sao Paulo is CRAZY. I've never seen a city quite like it, the downtown area is literally like two Manhattans crammed together. It's unbelievable.

The traffic is so horrible that there is now a booming helicopter taxi industry for all of the executives there.

Oh, and and in the middle of night, people don't stop for red lights due to carjackings.

Beautiful city in an amazingly beautiful country.
Crazy indeed. We have our problems here, like traffic, violence, etc, but it is very good place to live. This city gives you many possibilities in every aspect.
 

black_13

Banned
Your city looks beautiful and hopefully I'll have a chance to visit it one day.

But still I think Max leaving the US, let alone New York is just fucking stupid. His whole character is built around New York. Who the fuck at Rockstar thought it would be a good idea to put him in a new environment?

As a huge Max Payne fan, I have zero interest in MP3, if Sam Lake and Remedy aren't behind it then it's not a real Max Payne game.
 
skybaby said:
Pictures of buildings YAY! Sorry but São Paulo is ugly as fuck
True. It was worst. Today it is getting better. In the time of WC 2014, we expect a revitalized city in some aspects, mainly infrastructure. On topic now...
 

e-gamer

Member
E ae brasileiros!!! Mais um aqui!!!

Enfim, só pra constar, você pode entrar em qualquer um destes barracos em qualquer favela do Brasil que encontrará TV, Microondas, DVD e até videogames Playstation 2 em pelo menos 80% deles! e até na primeira figura você poderá ver carros estacionados na garagem!

A pobreza no brasil tem uma parcela de sacanagem e oportunismo que muita gente faz vista grossa...

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Hello brazilian people!!! One more here!

Let me say something: You can enter any one of these "houses" in any "favela" in Brazil to see that they own at least one TV (LCD/Plasma sometimes), Microwave ovens, Refrigerators, DVDs players, Playstations 2 in almost 80% of them! and even in the first picture you can see cars parked in the garage!

Part of "poverty" (i don't kown if this is the correct word for "pobreza") is clearly composed by oportunism and some people turn a blind eye about it...

more pictures:


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black_13 said:
Your city looks beautiful and hopefully I'll have a chance to visit it one day.

But still I think Max leaving the US, let alone New York is just fucking stupid. His whole character is built around New York. Who the fuck at Rockstar thought it would be a good idea to put him in a new environment?

As a huge Max Payne fan, I have zero interest in MP3, if Sam Lake and Remedy aren't behind it then it's not a real Max Payne game.

As a Rockstar fan (furthermore, a Bully fan) who never liked Max Payne previously, I'm intrigued by this one. The non-cliche setting certainly helps.

You take the good you take the bad you take the both and then you have a sequel that deviates from the original formula~
 

Tokubetsu

Member
As I've said, Brazil/Sao Paulo has as much potential as NYC to be lol GRIMDARK for MP3. I'm not worried about the setting at all in this case.
 
all you fucking crybabies need to watch City of God and tell me brazil doesn't have potential for great atmosphere for a crime videogame.
 

Odyssey

Banned
Please keep your urges to jack off to yourself.

I read up on the city as well, and when I finally got to look at the screenshots I was disappointed. I thought we'd see a new take on South America but it really did look like something out of Uncharted.
 

SapientWolf

Trucker Sexologist
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The old downtown of São Paulo resides some other places that could appear in MP3. One of them is the Santa Ifigenia Avenue. At day, it’s a huge black-eletronics market (my X360 came from there), and at night is populated by low price prostitutes and porn theaters.
That sounds like a GAFfer's wet dream.
 
I live four hours from sao paulo in Curitiba, but I only know the airports :lol


but looking at the game informer screenshots the landscape looks a lot more like Rio than Sao Paulo, there isn't a single skyscraper in the background

Porridge said:
MP3 easily could've done the whole New York thing again. Setting it in Brazil is inspired.
unless they just mimic the movies they've seen
 

Phobophile

A scientist and gentleman in the manner of Batman.
Sao Paulo is the Los Angeles of South America. All the sprawl and none of the infrastructure.
 

fernoca

Member
Is not the first time..sad that some people quickly assume things and that others have to step in and correct..in the year 2009. :p

Like how I'm from Puerto Rico and many act ..shocked..when they learn that we get games the same day as in the US, that we use US currency, and USPS...then again, seeing how a friend of mine had a hard time with EA back when Rock Band was released because they didn't wanted to replace his guitar, because they thought that UPS didn't existed in Puerto Rico and that they had no way to ship it to here, "the normal way" (he had to send them a link with pictures and information and phone numbers of the UPS offices/divisions in PR)...they immediately sent him a tracking number and the guitar in 2 weeks)..

Is not surprising that many assume that Brazil, Puerto Rico and other latin-american countries are this big ..jungles with beaches and sands..oh! and no electricity, loved being in a conference were many were surprised that we had electricity and internet! Guess they thought we live on trees and use fruits as currency.
 
fernoca said:
Is not the first time..sad that some people quickly assume things and that others have to step in and correct..in the year 2009. :p

Like how I'm from Puerto Rico and many act ..shocked..when they learn that we get games the same day as in the US, that we use US currency, and USPS...then again, seeing how a friend of mine had a hard time with EA back when Rock Band was released because they didn't wanted to replace his guitar, because they thought that UPS didn't existed in Puerto Rico and that they had no way to ship it to here, "the normal way" (he had to send them a link with pictures and information and phone numbers of the UPS offices/divisions in PR)...they immediately sent him a tracking number and the guitar in 2 weeks)..

Is not surprising that many assume that Brazil, Puerto Rico and other latin-american countries are this big ..jungles with beaches and sands..oh! and no electricity, loved being in a conference were many were surprised that we had electricity and internet! Guess they thought we live on trees and use fruits as currency.
:lol

A lot of people INDEED think like that.
 
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