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[Elios83]

PSP 48,781
PS2 47,963
DS 29,552
GBASP 13,459
GC 6,922
GBA 411
Xbox 388

Also software numbers here:
http://www.m-create.com/jpn/s_ranking.html

 

[DSN2K]

Nintendo killed the GBAsp before its time

 

[psycho_snake]

Go PSP. Good to see sales are strong. Its a shame that Nintendo cant compete with sales though.

GC had a small rise this week, lets just hope sales get better.

 

[tetsuoxb]

PSP 48,781
PS2 47,963
DS 29,552
GBASP 13,459
GC 6,922
GBA 411
Xbox 388

Also software numbers here:
http://www.m-create.com/jpn/s_ranking.html

Aye dios mio, here we go again.

 

[Soulbrighter]

Nintendo handhelds are really much lower than in enterbrain:

enterbrain:

NDS: 35,000
GBA SP: 20,000

 

[Borys]

Awwww man Sales of DS make me so sad.

 

[CloudNL]

Sony wins this week again with fantastic numbers for their PS2 and PSP.

 

[Funky Papa]

The pre-E3 NPD madness should be all kinds of awesome :lol

 

[vjoe]

Is there a shortage of DS in jpn stores or somthing ?

 

[pilonv1]

No just a shortage of buyers.

 

[gamergirly]

Nintendo handhelds are really much lower than in enterbrain:

enterbrain:

NDS: 35,000
GBA SP: 20,000

Also overall hardware numbers for all of the systems is decreasing.....

 

[Axsider]

No just a shortage of buyers.

Too good :lol

 

[Izzy]

No just a shortage of buyers.

That was just cruel. :lol

Anyway, PSP > DS + GBASP + GBA. Again. Poor, poor Resident Evil 4 numbers.

 

[CerberusXXL]

Things don't look too good for Nintendo.

 

[sprsk]

No just a shortage of buyers.

and then you look at sofware sales :/

 

[EAJAPAN]

No just a shortage of buyers.

:lol

Zing!

 

[ge-man]

and then you look at sofware sales :/

Very true. I find it amusing butnot surprising that software sales are being ignored here.

 

[KeithFranklin]

Year to date numbers
PS2 353,248,
PSP 316,383
DS 279,474
GBASP 127,505
GC 47,673
GBA 3,449
XBOX 3,038


Last years numbers
February 2 - 8, 2004
Game Boy Advance SP - 50,690
PlayStation 2 - 48,027
GameCube - 8,647
Game Boy Advance - 6,778
Xbox - 959
PSone - 402
Wonder Swan Crystal - 186


Last weeks numbers
January 24 - 30, 2005
PSP - 74,405
PlayStation 2 - 58,673
Nintendo DS - 43,226
Game Boy Advance SP - 11,589
GameCube - 8,214
Xbox - 467
Game Boy Advance - 399

 

[DarienA]

PSP 48,781
DS 29,552

Dear GAF,

I didn't see enough argument about PSP #'s in that last thread... let's do better in this one.... ok?

Yours,
Darien

P.S. The damage control for the DS should not simply consist of... well it's still got a bigger userbase. Expand on that please. But don't pull the DC out too soon. Thanks a bunch.

 

[explodet]

1 GBA Super Robot Taisen Original Generation 2 Banpresto 117,876
2 PS2 Another Century's Episode Bandai 39,694
3 PS2 Radiata Stories Square Enix 38,786
4 GC Biohazard 4 Capcom 28,608
5 DS Catch! Touch! Yoshi! Nintendo 27,336
6 PS2 Exciting Pro Wrestling 6: Smackdown vs Raw Yukes 25,189
7 PS2 Gran Turismo 4 SCE 21,142
8 PS2 Death By Degrees Namco 13,915
9 DS Sawaru Made in Wario Nintendo 13,710
10 PS2 Monster Hunter G Capcom 13,558

 

[JackFrost2012]

 

[sonycowboy]

That would be so much of a better image, if the 4 hands belonged to

1) Mario
2) Link
3) Pikachu
4) Kirby

 

[Speevy]

I'm torn between being confused and falling asleep. There's never any type of consistency between the two numbers. Why do we count the Media-Create ones if they always count one or two systems lower? It's not like the extra numbers were made up. Also, no one could gain any kind of clear picture from that software chart.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

oh and muslim women don't wear red bangles!

Tasteless image.

 

[bud]

oh and muslim women don't wear red bangles!

Tasteless image.

Huh?

 

[Speevy]

We need Kiefer Sutherland to do a public service announcement.

"I play Jack Bauer on TV's '24'."

 

[SantaC]

Dear GAF. Keep up the jokes about the DS. You are already slacking.

 

[gofreak]

P.S. The damage control for the DS should not simply consist of... well it's still got a bigger userbase. Expand on that please. But don't pull the DC out too soon. Thanks a bunch.

Here's a proposal: Sony is still enjoying "first rush" high sales given that fewer people have been able to get the system before? Whereas Nintendo, with a larger userbase, has tapped out more of the initial high sales that such systems enjoy. Thus, as the PSP userbase goes beyond the "guaranteed" first sales most systems enjoy, PSP sales will start to slow too. I really don't know, it's only a thought

 

[DarienA]

Here's a proposal: Sony is still enjoying "first rush" high sales given that fewer people have been able to get the system before? Whereas Nintendo, with a larger userbase, has tapped out more of the initial high sales that such systems enjoy. Thus, as the PSP userbase goes beyond the "guaranteed" first sales most systems enjoy, PSP sales will start to slow too. I really don't know, it's only a thought

<applause>

Welll said, well spoken.

 

[KeithFranklin]

Here is a thought. The DS sold so much in when it launched because it was the Holiday's and because they were able to release with considerable supply while PSP was a limited release. Now the parents arent buying for the kids as much and people are buying for themselves, thus more PSP sales and less DS sales.

 

[Jonnyram]

Here's a proposal: Sony is still enjoying "first rush" high sales given that fewer people have been able to get the system before? Whereas Nintendo, with a larger userbase, has tapped out more of the initial high sales that such systems enjoy. Thus, as the PSP userbase goes beyond the "guaranteed" first sales most systems enjoy, PSP sales will start to slow too. I really don't know, it's only a thought

Intelligent responses like this will get you nowhere. You're best off avoiding these threads unless you want to feel exasperated like the rest of us

 

[Izzy]

Here is a thought. The DS sold so much in when it launched because it was the Holiday's and because they were able to release with considerable supply while PSP was a limited release. Now the parents arent buying for the kids as much and people are buying for themselves, thus more PSP sales and less DS sales.

Absolutely. On the other hand - pitty about the PSP shortages.

 

[sonycowboy]

Here is a thought. The DS sold so much in when it launched because it was the Holiday's and because they were able to release with considerable supply while PSP was a limited release. Now the parents arent buying for the kids as much and people are buying for themselves, thus more PSP sales and less DS sales.

Well, if that's true that the DS is *mostly* for kids, and the PSP has the mature audience, then you're already giving Sony what their plan has been all along.

I think as gofreak said, that it's WAY too early to be declaring winners or losers here. The PSP still hasn't satisfied it's initial demand as the DS was able to. Once that initial demand is spent and units are readily available for a month or so, then the weekly comparisons will be more valid.

However, I do think it's imporant to track the DS & PSP sales against the GBA's from years past at similar times to answer a few questions:

1) Is the handheld market growing or just switching systems?

2) How do they compare to the GBA's sales? It would be tough to match them, but if they surpass them for comparable timeframes, then that would be a spectacular accomplishment

3) Are people getting multiple handhelds? That's never been an issue before, but it can have some serious consequences for tie ratios and overall handheld sales.

 

[speedpop]

Why on earth are people still buying PS2's at a huge number???

Shouldn't everyone have one already?

The success story of Sony - create faulty hardware after the warrenty expires!

 

[JackFrost2012]

oh and muslim women don't wear red bangles!

Tasteless image.

Yeah, what?

 

[Guy LeDouche]

Why on earth are people still buying PS2's at a huge number???

Shouldn't everyone have one already?

The success story of Sony - create faulty hardware after the warrenty expires!

Yet the tie-ratio for the PS2 is still higher than GC or XBox, so there's a problem with your logic.

 

[Sysgen]

Yet the tie-ratio for the PS2 is still higher than GC or XBox, so there's a problem with your logic.

How does that translate into a problem with his logic? What does the tie-in ratio have to do with repurchased systems?

 

[DarienA]

How does that translate into a problem with his logic? What does the tie-in ratio have to do with repurchased systems?

So you're saying that people are replacing their systems only when they are ready to buy new software for it too? This whole doesn't everyone have argument is silly anyway... the actual population of various countries DWARFS the actual amount of consoles in the respective countries.

 

[sonycowboy]

How does that translate into a problem with his logic? What does the tie-in ratio have to do with repurchased systems?

Tie Ratio for the PS2 is already the highest of any system in history.

If you believe that a significant percentage of systems (say ~15-20%) are repurchased, it makes the tie ratio increase by an ever larger percentage (say 20-25%)*.



*Interestingly the percentage of the tie ratio to higher tie ratio is greater than the percentage of repurchased system.

X system / Y software = tie ratio
(X - % of X) / Y software = higher tie ratio

 

[Sysgen]

So you're saying that people are replacing their systems only when they are ready to buy new software for it too? This whole doesn't everyone have argument is silly anyway... the actual population of various countries DWARFS the actual amount of consoles in the respective countries.

I'm not saying anything and I didn't say he was wrong, only on what basis his opinion was formed. I kinda asked him what he was saying

 

[psycho_snake]

Here's a proposal: Sony is still enjoying "first rush" high sales given that fewer people have been able to get the system before? Whereas Nintendo, with a larger userbase, has tapped out more of the initial high sales that such systems enjoy. Thus, as the PSP userbase goes beyond the "guaranteed" first sales most systems enjoy, PSP sales will start to slow too. I really don't know, it's only a thought

I dunno, Sony seem to defy that rule. Thier slaes will start to become slow, but I dont think it will be as slow as the DS. If the sales of PSP stay steady, then DS will be in trouble. However, if PSP sales slow down and sell the same as DS, then Nintendo could give sony a hard fight. PSP sales will slow down, but to about 35,000 - 38,000

 

[Sysgen]

Tie Ratio for the PS2 is already the highest of any system in history.

If you believe that a significant percentage of systems (say ~15-20%) are repurchased, it makes the tie ratio increase by an ever larger percentage (say 20-25%)*.



*Interestingly the percentage of the tie ratio to higher tie ratio is greater than the percentage of repurchased system.

X system / Y software = tie ratio
(X - % of X) / Y software = higher tie ratio

Yes I know that the more systems that are replaced the higher the tie in ratio but what started this was:

--------------------------------------
Originally Posted by speedpop:
Why on earth are people still buying PS2's at a huge number???

Shouldn't everyone have one already?

The success story of Sony - create faulty hardware after the warrenty expires!
--------------------------------------

Yet the tie-ratio for the PS2 is still higher than GC or XBox, so there's a problem with your logic.
-------------------------------------


So what does tie-in ratio have to do with speedpop's post and ergo, why is there a problem with his logic?

 

[duckroll]

 

[speedpop]

Yet the tie-ratio for the PS2 is still higher than GC or XBox, so there's a problem with your logic.

Wasn't at all trying to put forth a logic. I know if my PS2 conked out the first thing I'd do, if the warranty had expired, is to buy a brand new one. It's just a simple fact of life and there has been past history where Sony products have been malfunctioned after a certain period of time.

Also laying the excuse of console mistreatment is false, as a friend of mine had a launch PSX and PS2, took absolutely the biggest amount of care into each one and both died after the warranty. Whereas myself buying them a few years after launch, I throw them around and couldn't care less literally and they still work like a charm. Since then he's vowed not to buy a launch Sony product ever again. Maybe it's an entirely different story for other people's launch systems, but first impressions last a long time. It's like trying to coax a family of big and rich diner's back into your restaurant just because your famous chef had a bad day and delivered a pile of dung. Same deal.

I'm just still amazed at how well Sony are doing hardware wise and the simple fact that there are literally 20,000+ average weekly still buying them in Japan alone. It's insane.

 

[GDJustin]

Year to date numbers
PSP 316,383
DS 279,474

Yeah the DS got buried in January guys!

 

[Miburou]

Yes I know that the more systems that are replaced the higher the tie in ratio but what started this was:

--------------------------------------
Originally Posted by speedpop:
Why on earth are people still buying PS2's at a huge number???

Shouldn't everyone have one already?

The success story of Sony - create faulty hardware after the warrenty expires!
--------------------------------------

Yet the tie-ratio for the PS2 is still higher than GC or XBox, so there's a problem with your logic.
-------------------------------------


So what does tie-in ratio have to do with speedpop's post and ergo, why is there a problem with his logic?

The PS2's tie-in ratio is 9.5, which is already the highest ever, IIRC. That's assuming all 81M PS2s sold are in active use. Now, if someone is saying that 50% of all PS2s are replacement units, then the number of active PS2 would be only 40M, and the real tie-in ratio would be 19 games per system, which is just insane.

So either Sony systems aren't anymore prone to failure than those from other manufacturers, or for some reason people buy more games for their Sony systems than any other systems (including all systems from the previous generations).

 

[jarrod]

oh and muslim women don't wear red bangles!

Tasteless image.

Lord Fanny isn't muslim.

PSP sales will slow down, but to about 35,000 - 38,000

Er, isn't that about what DS sells anyway?

 

[Fuzzy]

12/20-12/26  |  396,674
12/27- 1/02  |  209,522
 1/03- 1/09  |  108,561
 1/10- 1/16  |   53,527
 1/17- 1/23  |   44,608
 1/24- 1/30  |   43,226
 1/31- 2/06  |   29,552

Can the DS make it eight weeks in a row with lower sales next week?

EDIT: Oops, next week would be the seventh week, not eighth.

 

[Spiritreaver]

1 PSP 74,405 66,543 267,602
2 PlayStation 2 58,673 56,374 305,285
3 Nintendo DS 43,226 44,608 249,922
4 GameBoy Advance SP 11,589 13,317 114,046
5 GameCube 8,214 5,359 40,751
6 Xbox 467 498 2,650
7 Gameboy Advance 399 332 3,038

Well, I'm glad I wasn't to brash with the thought that PSP sales were finally starting to slow down, at a much earlier point in total sales than the DS too. So anyone care to explain? An even heavier shortage, or is supply finally meeting demand? So I don't see why anyone's celebrating still. However, I wonder if this DS drop will continue too.

We'll have till wait till next week I guess.

 

[Link316]

10 PSP games are in the top 50 vs 6 for the DS, but more importantly 8 of those PSP games are 3rd party compared to just 1 for the DS