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Media Create Sales 12/10 - 12/16 2007

llTll

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Based on some recent announcements, I get the feeling not many companies have moved over assets to the Wii. Seems more and more announcements are PS3/360 which doesn't bode well at changing the Wii 3rd party landscape. I think the Wii will spend the rest of its life covered in ports and low quality software overall with the occasional token franchise spin-off hitting the system. The situation is fairly sad, to be honest.

some people miss an important points here. maybe some high profile developers dont want to work on Wii regardless of the sales?

last Gen. most of the developers were stuck with the PS2 to the point they even didnt develop for the Xbox 1 which had a powerful hardware. now the PS3 and the 360 are out. not many japanese developers are making great looking games on these 2 systems because they lack the talent to do so. not saying they are stupid. they just dont have experience in it

maybe they feel if they spend their time on Wii, they will lack even more in terms of up to date with graphics/physics etc etc.

i am not saying that this is the only and the main reason. but as a gamer, we dont look at this point because we dont care, we only care about our console and getting high profile games we love on it.
 

BishopLamont

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llTll said:
some people miss an important points here. maybe some high profile developers dont want to work on Wii regardless of the sales?

last Gen. most of the developers were stuck with the PS2 to the point they even didnt develop for the Xbox 1 which had a powerful hardware. now the PS3 and the 360 are out. not many japanese developers are making great looking games on these 2 systems because they lack the talent to do so. not saying they are stupid. they just dont have experience in it

maybe they feel if they spend their time on Wii, they will lack even more in terms of up to date with graphics/physics etc etc.

i am not saying that this is the only and the main reason. but as a gamer, we dont look at this point because we dont care, we only care about our console and getting high profile games we love on it.
I don't think that's so. I think most developers is playing the wait and see card to see if putting games on the Wii is worth it. Couple that with the fact most traditional games doesn't translate to the Wii very well in the traditional sense. New IP's is the way to go this gen for the Wii. Sales play a big role in the videogames business.
 

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BishopLamont said:
Last week's Famitsu > MC was about 10k IIRC. So best case scenario the PS3 remains stable, which is still disappointing. Major releases and killer apps don't mean much during the holiday season, everything gets a boost regardless of software.

It might have been 2 weeks ago i think. Killer apps and good games will always mean something for the sales, regardless if its the holiday season or not. After all, the reason that people are buying a game system is usally because of the games for it. Sure, people buy more around x-mas, but without those killer apps i.e Wii Sport, Play and Fit, Wii would never see this high of a boost. PS3 doesnt have any of these killer apps, therefor the chance for a big boost on holiday season isnt that big.

It only dropped 2k (from 53k to 51k) this week and last week was the release of GT5P. By this i guess you can say there was a boost in sales due to holiday season since it only dropped that little. I think it would have dropped much more if it wasnt for x-mas.


Weisheit said:
Personally I didn't expect it to do anything special, but that doesn't negate the fact that we're in the middle of the biggest shopping season in Japan. At some point these consoles sell because of the games and features they already have rather than whats coming. When a console can't get a big bump for the holidays it's got big problems in my book, just look at the PSP, no big releases (I think) and it did over 150k.

Same here, i didnt have any expectations. I cant recall even thinking of a number it would do this week. True, but as i said above, it only dropped about 2k so i guess you can say that shows some kind of boost due to x-mas, since it most likely would have dropped more if it wasnt for x-mas :)

PSP got a stable boost after the release of the slim model. I'm abit suprised that the boost was this high. The PSP cost much less than a PS3 though and PSP is a portable device so its not quite the same. I think the price of PS3 is still abit too high for the mass marked, thats why you wont see a big boost yet. Its somewhat 40k yen right? Its would make a pretty expencive x-mas gift to give away.
 

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BishopLamont said:
I don't think that's so. I think most developers is playing the wait and see card to see if putting games on the Wii is worth it. Sales play a big role in the videogames business.

They've had more than a year to do their wait and see nonsense. How much longer do they need? and by the time they finally make up their damn minds, Wii-2 would have already been released.
 

BishopLamont

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It might have been 2 weeks ago i think. Killer apps and good games will always mean something for the sales, regardless if its the holiday season or not. After all, the reason that people are buying a game system is usally because of the games for it. Sure, people buy more around x-mas, but without those killer apps i.e Wii Sport, Play and Fit, Wii would never see this high of a boost. PS3 doesnt have any of these killer apps, therefor the chance for a big boost on holiday season isnt that big.

It only dropped 2k (from 53k to 51k) this week and last week was the release of GT5P. By this i guess you can say there was a boost in sales due to holiday season since it only dropped that little. I think it would have dropped much more if it wasnt for x-mas.
The PS3 has been about 50k for the past few weeks, this is the time when it's suppose to increase not remain the same. Why would it drop after weeks of doing 50k, especially in the midst of the holidays?

norinrad21 said:
They've had more than a year to do their wait and see nonsense. How much longer do they need? and by the time they finally make up their damn minds, Wii-2 would have already been released.
As you can see most third party games on the Wii hasn't exactly performed spectacular, I think they're waiting till sales get better. It's just a really bad time to be a third party in Japan right now, unless you're Nintendo and SE.
 

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If those numbers are correct then excellent sales for the Wii and DS.
PSP is lower than last week which is not great at all.

At this pace SMG will easily reach 1m, although I knew that it could do this from the start.
Sega will be very happy with the sales of M&S, I expect the Wii version alone to reach 4m worldwide by the end of next year. It will sell ~ 100k in the next two weeks too and will surpass 500k in Japan alone, and IMO it can reach 1m in Japan eventually (Olympics boost.)
 

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Last week was the launch of limited PSP Slim Deep Red. A slight drop in this week is absolutely normal.
But this week is so much bigger than last week. Just look at the boosts Wii and DS got.
 

llTll

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BishopLamont said:
I don't think that's so. I think most developers is playing the wait and see card to see if putting games on the Wii is worth it. Couple that with the fact most traditional games doesn't translate to the Wii very well in the traditional sense. New IP's is the way to go this gen for the Wii. Sales play a big role in the videogames business.


wait and see on Wii? what is there to wait for? the system is number 1 world wide. its selling in japan alone more than the PS3 and 360 sell world wide in the same month. let alone the huge sales in the rest of the world.

there is no wait and see here. we would say wait and see aroud early 2007 when you might think that this amazing wii sales is just for short period and it will go down. but not now.
 

norinrad21

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BishopLamont said:
As you can see most third party games on the Wii hasn't exactly performed spectacular, I think they're waiting till sales get better. It's just a really bad time to be a third party in Japan right now, unless you're Nintendo and SE.

Most 3rd party games have been ports of half assed shitty games to insult the Wii-base....a few games from Konami comes to mind.

Where are the Mystical Ninja's etc? I remember the N64 version selling very very well, even hybrid heaven did well
 

Laguna

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PSP software?... non-gaming plattform confirmed... And what happened with GT5P? wasn´t it supposed to save our beloved Sony console?
 

AniHawk

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Laguna said:
PSP software?... non-gaming plattform confirmed... And what happened with GT5P? wasn´t it supposed to save our beloved Sony console?

No that was always supposed to be Metal Gear Solid 4. Gran Turismo isn't really a system seller. People should've expected it to bomb.
 

BishopLamont

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llTll said:
wait and see on Wii? what is there to wait for? the system is number 1 world wide. its selling in japan alone more than the PS3 and 360 sell world wide in the same month. let alone the huge sales in the rest of the world.

there is no wait and see here. we would say wait and see aroud early 2007 when you might think that this amazing wii sales is just for short period and it will go down. but not now.

norinrad21 said:
Most 3rd party games have been ports of half assed shitty games to insult the Wii-base....a few games from Konami comes to mind.

Where are the Mystical Ninja's etc? I remember the N64 version selling very very well, even hybrid heaven did well

Well somethings stopping third parties, I'm not sure what it is, but I'm sure they love money and there's alot of potential money to be made on the Wii.

AniHawk said:
No that was always supposed to be Metal Gear Solid 4. Gran Turismo isn't really a system seller. People should've expected it to bomb.
Why didn't you tell me earlier. :(
 

AniHawk

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BishopLamont said:
Well somethings stopping third parties, I'm not sure what it is, but I'm sure they love money and there's alot of potential money to be made on the Wii.

In the minds of third party execs, there's no competing with Nintendo. In the minds of third party developers, there's no use going back to old hardware. Of course, I'm applying this to a wider scale than just Japan here.
 

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BishopLamont said:
Well somethings stopping third parties, I'm not sure what it is, but I'm sure they love money and there's alot of potential money to be made on the Wii.


Why didn't you tell me earlier. :(

the fact that third-party games don't sell on wii may be it....
 

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Super Mario Galaxy : about 109k (total about 680k)




SMG soon will be a million seller in Japan :D
 

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Some numbers from Famitsu, would someone translate the rest?

DSL 319000
PSP 162000
PS2 24000
PS3 51000
Wii 264000
360 8100

1.FF4 309000 > 60% shipment
2.Mario Party DS 308000(1070000)
3.WiiFit 210000(737000)
4.SMG 109000(680000)
5.Wii Sports 109000(2371000)
6.DQ4 108000(963000)
7.Wii Play 105000(1919000)
8.Mario&Sonic 100000(307000)
9.Dora Base (DS) 96000 > 90% shipment
10.Naruto 2 (PS2) 94000

11.Pokemon Dungeon  83000(1218000)
12.Prof Layton 2 68000(550000)
13.Mario Party 8 60000(1008000)
14.Mario Kart DS 53000(2660000)
17.Powerful Pro-kun Pocket 10 47000(129000)
19.Winning Eleven 2008 PS2 39000(519000)
21.Taiko DS 37000(261000)
22.New SMB 35000(4967000)
25.MHP2 32000(1452000)
26.GT5P 29000(136000)
28.Wantame Music Channel: Doko Demo Style 24000(92000)
29.Animal Crossing 24000(4495000)
30.Pokemon Diamond&Pearl 23000(5382000)

15.Card Battle Card Hero (DS) 49000
18.Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Matsuri: Kakera Asobi (PS2) 42000
20.Pawapro 14 Final PS2 37000
外.Time Crisis 4 20000
外.Hajime no Ippo (PSP) 16000
外.Patapon (PSP) 16000
外.Survival Kids 14000
外.Pawapro Final Wii 11000
外.MOH PS3 7900
外.Myself;Yourself (PS2) 7700
外.FIFA PS3 4900
外.ピアキャロ 4000
外.The Legend of Heroes: Sora no Kiseki Material Collection (PSP) 3600
外.ピンキー 3200
外.The Legend of Heroes: Sora no Kiseki Complete Edition (PSP) 3100
外.FIFA Wii 2500
外.FIFA 360 2400
 

BishopLamont

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12.Prof Layton 2 68000(550000)
13.Mario Party 8 60000(1008000)
14.Mario Kart DS 53000(2660000)
22.New SMB 35000(4967000)

Mario Party 8 joins it's DS brother and NSMB almost at 5 mil. Level 5 should make a Wii game to give a big thanks to Nintendo.
 

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BishopLamont said:
The PS3 has been about 50k for the past few weeks, this is the time when it's suppose to increase not remain the same. Why would it drop after weeks of doing 50k, especially in the midst of the holidays?

I said so myself, but after looking at the chart i have to withdraw that statement. Its been more up and down than i thought. I thought it was closer around 50k (maybe i'm thinking of Media Create, but this comparision is with Famitsu numbers). This chart shows hardware numbers from 1. November 2007:

http://joshuajamesslone.name/gamech...4]=&system[5]=&date[5]=&group[5]=&tracker[5]=

Its hard to say if it really dropped or stayed stable due to the release of GTP5 last week. I think its safe to say that this game moved quite a few units last week. This week the numbers are about the same as last week, and this week there wasnt really any big-seller games released. That can be a strong indicator that the sales went more up than it would if it wasnt for x-mas.
 

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30.Pokemon Diamond&Pearl 23000(5382000)

I figure I'll wait for the inevitable 3rd in the series before jumping in. Nonetheless, good numbers.

Anyone got the old Pokemon chart handy?
 

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enishi said:
Some numbers from Famitsu, would someone translate the rest?

DSL 319000
PSP 162000
PS2 24000
PS3 51000
Wii 264000
360 8100

1.FF4 309000 > 60% shipment
2.Mario Party DS 308000(1070000)
3.WiiFit 210000(737000)
4.SMG 109000(850000)
5.Wii Sports 109000(2371000)
6.DQ4 108000(963000)
7.Wii Play 105000(1919000)
8.Mario&Sonic 100000(307000)
9.Dora Base (DS) 96000 > 90% shipment
10.Naruto 2 (PS2) 94000

11.Pokemon Dungeon  83000(1218000)
12.Prof Layton 2 68000(550000)
13.Mario Party 8 60000(1008000)
14.Mario Kart DS 53000(2660000)
17.パワポケ 47000(129000)
19.Winning Eleven 2008 PS2 39000(519000)
21.Taiko DS 37000(261000)
22.New SMB 35000(4967000)
25.MHP2 32000(1452000)
26.GT5P 29000(136000)
28.ワンタメ 24000(92000)
29.Animal Crossing 24000(4495000)
30.Pokemon Diamond&Pearl 23000(5382000)

15.Card Battle Card Hero DS 49000
18.ひぐらし 42000
20.パワプロPS2 37000
外.タイクラ4 20000
外.一歩 16000
外.パタポン 16000
外.サバキ 14000
外.パワプロWii 11000
外.MOH PS3 7900
外.Myself 7700
外.FIFA PS3 4900
外.ピアキャロ 4000
外.空の軌跡マテコレ 3600
外.ピンキー 3200
外.空の軌跡完全 3100
外.FIFA Wii 2500
外.FIFA 360 2400

Holy shit at Mario Kart DS legs!
Also next week, NSMB will surpass 5m sales and Animal Crossing will cross 4.5m. :D

P.S. enishi, your SMG LTD sales is incorrect.
 

BishopLamont

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I said so myself, but after looking at the chart i have to withdraw that statement. Its been more up and down than i thought. I thought it was closer around 50k (maybe i'm thinking of Media Create, but this comparision is with Famitsu numbers). This chart shows hardware numbers from 1. November 2007:

http://joshuajamesslone.name/gamech...4]=&system[5]=&date[5]=&group[5]=&tracker[5]=

Its hard to say if it really dropped or stayed stable due to the release of GTP5 last week. I think its safe to say that this game moved quite a few units last week. This week the numbers are about the same as last week, and this week there wasnt really any big-seller games released. That can be a strong indicator that the sales went more up than it would if it wasnt for x-mas.
Ok we're mixing Famitsu and MC numbers and what not, let's just wait for this weeks MC hardware to have any conclusive debates.

RBH said:
Are these good numbers or disappointing numbers?

Sony expected 250k retail, make it of what you will.

AniHawk said:
Good when you consider it's on a dead system.
The fun AniHawk is back!
 

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Holy shit at Mario Kart DS legs!
Also next week, NSMB will surpass 5m sales and Animal Crossing will cross 4.5m. :D

P.S. enishi, your SMG LTD sales is incorrect.

I think the source is predicting next week's (actually 2 weeks' later) LTD :p

Thank you for correction.
 

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I dont think 3rd parties can ignore th Wii. Last generation a lof of them had big problem (lots of merges) even with PS2 around, i wonder what would happen now.

This generation i'm seeing a selected number of 3rd party games do well on PS360 (mostly on X360 obviously), but what i mostly see is the games not doing any better than last iterations... With costs rising, it would be a disaster to a lot of 3rd parties to not support Wii..

I remember some exec saying that just one PS360 game bombing could sink the company miserably. And if they ignore Wii that will happen to some. Of course there's some that can afford to ignore, but very few.
 

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wow good number all around,

i said wow when i saw Wii and DS number

i thought Wii were always sold out and not having enough stock
 

AniHawk

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felipeko said:
i wonder what would happen now.

Activision Blizzard
EA buys Bioware
Infogrames rapidly dying
Sega Sammy

And we're just two years into this generation. Fun!
 

BishopLamont

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how can you say that when its doing better than the 360?
Ones cremated and buried, the other was pronounced dead as of 1:58am 27/12/07.

AniHawk said:
Activision Blizzard
EA buys Bioware
Infogrames rapidly dying
Sega Sammy
Nintendo buys Sony

And we're just two years into this generation. Fun!
 

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BishopLamont said:
Ok we're mixing Famitsu and MC numbers and what not, let's just wait for this weeks MC hardware to have any conclusive debates.

Ok :) I do agree that ~50k for this holiday season isnt much compared to how Wii is doing and how PS2 was doing, but i dont think its a big suprise that its around 50k now due to still rather expencive, no big releases before x-mas (except GT5P) and no killer apps like i.e Wii Sports.


gimz said:
i thought Wii were always sold out and not having enough stock

Its only in USA and the last month or so in the UK (correct me if i'm wrong on UK). I havnt heard of any stock shortage since late summer anywhere else. With stock shortage i mean that it hasnt been impossible to find a Wii.
 

llTll

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BishopLamont said:
Ones cremated and buried, the other was pronounced dead as of 1:58am 27/12/07.


yeah anihawk has his weird moments. dont worry about that
 
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enishi said:
17.パワポケ 47000(129000) -> Powerful Pro-kun Pocket 10
28.ワンタメ 24000(92000) -> Wantame Music Channel: Doko Demo Style
20.パワプロPS2 37000 -> Pawapro 14 Final PS2


Looks like Naruto isn't as dead as I thought. It managed to improve first Accel PS2 numbers, although still doesn't match Narutimate Hero ones.
 

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21.Taiko DS 37000(261000)
Taiko no Tatsujin DS shows some really nice legs. The games release was a horrible disaster with a game breaking bug, the inevitable recall and the resulting non-availability for many weeks. You would think those circumstances would've completely killed the hype. Really cool how this game keeps selling, even though I don't know how it holds up compared to other console entrys.
 

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Laguna said:
PSP software?... non-gaming plattform confirmed... And what happened with GT5P? wasn´t it supposed to save our beloved Sony console?
It was just a demo, not the full game.
 

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enishi said:
Some numbers from Famitsu, would someone translate the rest?

DSL 319000
Wii 264000
PSP 162000
PS3 51000
PS2 24000
360 8100

1.FF4 309000 > 60% shipment
2.Mario Party DS 308000(1070000)
3.WiiFit 210000(737000)
4.SMG 109000(680000)
5.Wii Sports 109000(2371000)
6.DQ4 108000(963000)
7.Wii Play 105000(1919000)
8.Mario&Sonic 100000(307000)
9.Dora Base (DS) 96000 > 90% shipment
10.Naruto 2 (PS2) 94000

11.Pokemon Dungeon  83000(1218000)
12.Prof Layton 2 68000(550000)
13.Mario Party 8 60000(1008000)
14.Mario Kart DS 53000(2660000)
17.パワポケ 47000(129000)
19.Winning Eleven 2008 PS2 39000(519000)
21.Taiko DS 37000(261000)
22.New SMB 35000(4967000)
25.MHP2 32000(1452000)
26.GT5P 29000(136000)
28.ワンタメ 24000(92000)
29.Animal Crossing 24000(4495000)
30.Pokemon Diamond&Pearl 23000(5382000)

15.Card Battle Card Hero (DS) 49000
18.Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Matsuri: Kakera Asobi (PS2) 42000
20.パワプロPS2 37000
外.Time Crisis 4 20000
外.Hajime no Ippo (PSP) 16000
外.Patapon (PSP) 16000
外.Survival Kids 14000
外.Powerful Pro Baseball Final Edition Wii 11000
外.MOH PS3 7900
外.Myself;Yourself (PS2) 7700
外.FIFA PS3 4900
外.ピアキャロ 4000
外.The Legend of Heroes: Sora no Kiseki Material Collection (PSP) 3600
外.ピンキー 3200
外.The Legend of Heroes: Sora no Kiseki Complete Edition (PSP) 3100
外.FIFA Wii 2500
外.FIFA 360 2400

Wow. Look at that PS3 and Wii #. I certainly didn't expect them.

Nice Top 10 S/W #. Wii Play is almost 2 Million, while MPDS crossed 1 Million