Segata Sanshiro said:oh man why didn't anyone think of this? clearly this type of situation is completely consequence-free for Capcom!
ccbfan said:What is will more likely hurt though is core game shipments on the Wii. Retailers are already extremely conservative with Wii core game shipments. This is not gonna help.
cvxfreak said:Looks like Capcom needs to be somewhere in the middle. A 900K shipment instead, perhaps?
schuelma said:Oh come on. Yes, both sides screwed up. Yes, it looks like a bigger deal because the absolute scale of game and shipment was so high. But its not a case where we have a 40% sell through rate or something like that- we have an overall sell through rate of about 70% after nine days. That's not horrid or anything. It looks worse because the shipment itself was so high, but I think we're getting a bit carried away.
cvxfreak said:I'm curious to see how Nintendo addresses this in the future. I think this is the ultimate proof that perhaps not including a traditional controller with every Wii system in Japan has come back to haunt them, because it ends up complicating game shipments and SKU management. Can you imagine if traditional buttons had been a DS add-on? Poor comparison, but perhaps we'll see how well motion games on the PS3 and 360 sell when they have to bundle certain peripherals with certain SKUs.
schuelma said:That's a good point I really hadn't considered. I know that Samurai Warriors 3 is also getting a Pro bundle..hell maybe they should make it a mandatory pack in like Wii Play with the Wiimote.
cvxfreak said:If I were Iwata (and hell, don't we all wish), I would reboot the Wii in Japan from this fall. Pack in all the essentials needed from the get go, so a Classic Controller (Pro or original, I don't think it matters too much) and a Wii Motion+ with every package. They don't have to drop the price and probably wouldn't, but I think if Nintendo's interested in finally bringing all the different segments of gamers onto its platform, it needs to make this move. The same goes for the other two when their motion technology hits.
What makes Wii Play with Wiimote, WiiFit with WiiBoard, Mario Kart Wii with wheel etc.etc. different from MH3 with CC Pro? If at all MH3 once more proves that many Wii customers see additional value in pack ins.cvxfreak said:I never mentioned this before, but I kind of found the heavy push of MH3 with the classic controller pro to be somewhat counterintuitive to pushing the Wii's image in Japan.
Datschge said:What makes Wii Play with Wiimote, WiiFit with WiiBoard, Mario Kart Wii with wheel etc.etc. different from MH3 with CC Pro? If at all MH3 once more proves that many Wii customers see additional value in pack ins.
Wii Fit plus will and will most likely sell less than the combined SKU as well, unless Nintendo manages to do some genius marketing reaching all the existing balance board owners.cvxfreak said:Those games only had one SKU, and that was with the accessory. It's not like Nintendo could sell Wii Fit without the balance board.
I thought the MHG Wii sales already pointed to this to happen. I guess (some? few?) retailers didn't take note and are getting burned for this now.cvxfreak said:Regarding your post though, I don't disagree with your sentiment. MH3 proved that there's value to the bundle. But now the standalone got screwed as a result.
Datschge said:Wii Fit plus will and will most likely sell less than the combined SKU as well, unless Nintendo manages to do some genius marketing reaching all the existing balance board owners..
Just a hunch.schuelma said:Oh come on. Yes, both sides screwed up. Yes, it looks like a bigger deal because lol Wii cant sell 3rd party hardcore games lol.
Doesn't make any difference to the point that pack ins are seen as added value.Spiegel said:Difference is MHG can only be played with a CC.
Yea, there's not much price collapsing possible anymore. =P Will be interesting to see if both SKUs get tracked separately, and if so how they compare.cvxfreak said:Wii Fit Plus is ¥2000. They're preempted Bic on the price collapses.
Didnt the MHG + CC bundle also include a limited/special CC that was not sold seperately as well, while the MH3 + CC bundle includes a "standard" (or what i shall call it) CC Pro controller that also can be bought seperately? If this is the case, then i can see that MHG + CC bundle were more sought after because of the collecting value of this special CC.Datschge said:Doesn't make any difference to the point that pack ins are seen as added value.
Datschge said:Doesn't make any difference to the point that pack ins are seen as added value.
BattleMonkey said:It also doesn't mean that if more of the bundle was available it would have magically sold a ton more. For all we know they would have been stuck with a bunch of unsold bundles. Problem with all packins and limited deals is it can bite you in the ass, and retailers themselves are probably scared to order too many. People just making assumptions on the lacking sales.
cvxfreak said:There's no question that everyone who wanted MH3 in the first nine days got it. The game got a 1 Million shipment, so there certainly was no shortage. They've also penetrated 70% of the initial shipment relatively quickly, so it's not as if sales are "lacking" either. This isn't FF, DQ or Pokemon. The issue is that they've dropped the price of the standalone and that SKU only. That gives us reason to assume that that particular SKU isn't selling. If the game were a disappointment across the board, then we would have seen the bundle pricing corrected too. But that hasn't happened yet. If it does though...
lowlylowlycook said:Still, the fact that a game that moved hardware to a decent degree ended up being discounted within weeks of its launch seems to point to something unhealthy in the games industry.
Jokeropia said:Tomodachi Collection has now increased in weekly sales for four straight weeks.
57K -> 61K -> 74K -> 82K -> 91K
There was a time when UK retailers would slash the price even before the release of some games. That was awesome. :Iksamedi said:
ksamedi said:Is it me or do Japanese retailers seem to slash the price pretty rapidly?
I dont think that the holiday "Golden Week" has been in Japan recently (i think golden week is in March or April or something), but i think there have been another holiday in Japan recently. I dont know if this holiday has something to do with the MH3 pricedrop in some stores though, since i am under the impression that game sales usually increases when there is a holiday in Japan.Urban Scholar said:I normally don't thread into too much but I have a question.
Are those retail slashes and what not with MH3 a result of golden week in Japan? Is it safe to assume this and the sales #s are the norm as people are probably just chilling away from home and gaming as a result? Then again my whole vacation question could be wrong, just throwing it out there.
test_account said:I dont think that the holiday "Golden Week" has been in Japan recently (i think golden week is in March or April or something), but i think there have been another holiday in Japan recently. I dont know if this holiday has something to do with the MH3 pricedrop in some stores though, since i am under the impression that game sales usually increases when there is a holiday in Japan.
Ye, that was the name I couldnt remember what this holiday was called, thanks for mentioning it!Mr Killemgood said:Obon.
Xiaoki said:Expect Monster Hunter Portable 3 to be announced this fall.
The sales of MH3 would be great if it was only preceded by MH2 Dos. You dont come off the incredible success of MHP2, MHP2G and MHP2G The Best and then expect the Wii version to sell conservatively.
Guess this cements Monster Hunter as a PSP franchise.
I heard the first month numbers were actually better than Vesperia not sure about LTD.manueldelalas said:I think that although Graces will not do as good as the PSP spinoffs in Japan, it has a chance to sell better worldwide on the Wii than on the PSP...
Kind of the same audience that bought Symphonia on the GCN (best selling Tales game ever), and I've seen many people buying the sequel on the Wii (I read somewhere it sold as well as Vesperia).