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[JoshuaJSlone]

I've said "at least". And I wouldn't say a 15-17% jump on sales doesn't seem much of a jump.

No, you said "At least close to". And the 15-17% jump isn't significant if you're giving up something even greater elsewhere to get it. This isn't an MH3 home+portable situation, but the closest we can get right now would be to add MHP2G + MH3, which already comes to 4 million and has hundreds of thousands to go.

 

[markatisu]

Well done, but these numbers do not take into account the price collapse for the standalone version...

Those numbers also do not take into account any kind of legs displayed by word of mouth

MHG Wii sold on the charts in the Top 30 for almost 2 months, I cannot believe for 1 second that MH3 (an all new entry to the series) will bow out in less time with worse numbers

Next week will be somewhat telling on where the final number actually ends up, will it have a 40% decrease as MHG seemed to have or will it be less and begin to show some kind of stable selling pattern ala the portables

The 1st weeks numbers were so flawed with the trackers being off by 60k and nobody sure what the actual shipment or breakdown was, this week was not much better with nobody really reconciling the number issue and now we have the standalone price collapse but not on bundles.

 

[schuelma]

Oh God not the how awesome is PSP debate again. This thread has it all!

On a serious note, I think Tri will get to a million eventually- might take a while and might take a lot of discounting but I think it will make it. (I think Kurosaki Ichigo said this two weeks ago, so like usual he is correct).

 

[markatisu]

Oh God not the how awesome is PSP debate again. This thread has it all!

On a serious note, I think Tri will get to a million eventually- might take a while and might take a lot of discounting but I think it will make it. (I think Kurosaki Ichigo said this two weeks ago, so like usual he is correct).

What I hope Capcom (or should I say retailers) will take from this is that bundles sell, they messed that up royally with MHG and it seems the same error was comitted here.

I know that the CC was required for MHG but honestly if you wanted to attract the PSP owners to the Wii who were not already there you needed to give them the control scheme they were familiar with (which the CC produces flawlessly). Nintendo stepped up and allowed the bundles and Capcom boxed them, retailers dropped the ball imho.

 

[Spiegel]

No, you said "At least close to". And the 15-17% jump isn't significant if you're giving up something even greater elsewhere to get it. This isn't an MH3 home+portable situation, but the closest we can get right now would be to add MHP2G + MH3, which already comes to 4 million and has hundreds of thousands to go.

Okay, you are mixing things. Re-read everything I've said in this post because I've never said what Capcom should do to maximize profits nor I've said Capcom shouldn't release MH games for Wii.
My only argument here was that a completely new numbered MH game on psp will sell more units than one based on a previously released game. Duckroll disagrees with me and that's okay.

 

[Shaheed79]

Even looking at PSP vs PS3 the console versions are doing damn good despite having 1/4 the userbase.

PSP Dynasty Warriors Strikeforce Koei ACT - 383,600
PS3 Dynasty Warriors 6 - 371,443

PS3 Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds - 410,052
PSP Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee SCE 1 - 399.257
PSP Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee 2 SCE SPT - 287,296

Tales of The World: Radiant Mythology 2 Bandai Namco RPG - 317,543
I didn't know ToWRM2 sold this much. Quite an increase over all of the other PSP tales games. I'm still confident Graces can topple it.

 

[Spiegel]

Just to make it more clear I was mostly comparing how those franchises performed on the PS2 compared to the PSP/DS since those install bases are way more comparable than PS3/360 vs PSP/DS. The Wii hasn't received a single mainline game in any of those million selling PS2 franchises so until they start to bring those franchises to the Wii, which is the closest thing to a a PS2 successor, I don't expect the console versions to do nearly as well as the PS2 versions use to do and convincingly outsell the portable versions.

Even the PSP/DS games that do outsell the PS3/360 versions very few them do anywhere near what the franchise use to do on the PS2.

So the Wii hasn't received a single mainline game in any of those million selling PS2 franchises. Whay mainline game in any of those million selling PS2 franchises have DS and PSP received?

You argue that is obvious that games like TOS2 or spinoffs in general are going to sell worse than mainline games on ps2. Why are the handhelds any different?

 

[Shaheed79]

I don't think the sales of console MH games have any bearing on the sales of portable versions. They aren't in any real competition with each other.

 

[Nirolak]

Oh God not the how awesome is PSP debate again. This thread has it all!

Nothing makes a great Media Create thread quite like the combination of Capcom, the Wii, and the PSP.

 

[Shaheed79]

So the Wii hasn't received a single mainline game in any of those million selling PS2 franchises. Whay mainline game in any of those million selling PS2 franchises have DS and PSP received?

Dynasty Warriors and Winning Eleven come to mind. Oh and Dragon Quest.

Edit: Samurai Warriors as well.

 

[Shaheed79]

You argue that is obvious that games like TOS2 or spinoffs in general are going to sell worse than mainline games on ps2. Why are the handhelds any different?

Pretty sure Tales of Innocense or Tales of Hearts were considered mainline games and didn't the PSP get a couple mainline Tales ports?

 

[Tenbatsu]

I was away playing MH3 Tri online for 5 hours and people are still talking bout this.....hiya.

 

[Spiegel]

Dynasty Warriors and Winning Eleven come to mind. Oh and Dragon Quest.

Edit: Samurai Warriors as well.

Pretty sure Tales of Innocense or Tales of Hearts were considered mainline games and didn't the PSP get a couple mainline Tales ports?

Seriously, you are wrong. You should read more about those games.

Dynasty Warriors? PSP has some shitty spinoffs and one - not that shitty - spinoff which is the one which ended outselling DW6 on ps3.
Samurai Warriors? Not on PSP or DS.
Ports selling worse than new releases? SHOCKING
PES 2009? I've already told you, those games are an afterthought on handhelds, you can't consider them "mainline" and even with that PES2009 PSP has outsold PES2009 PS2 and were released the same day (months after PES2009 PS3).

And what about DQ? It's on track to become the best selling DQ ever.

The only thing you got right is that Tales games doesn't sell well on ds. They do on psp.


Yeah, there are games better suited for home consoles but they are few and aren't the ones you named (with the exception of WE/PES)

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

 

[slaughterking]

http://i30.tinypic.com/1hidl.png

:lol

 

[Spiegel]

You know what I mean but you are a bit slow today or want to see things where they aren't. I don't think I have to explain the graph.

You should do it.

 

[Totobeni]

PS3 Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds - 410,052
PSP Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee SCE 1 - 399.257
PSP Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee 2 SCE SPT - 287,296

.

interesting , wonder why Clap Hanz abandoned PS3 even when Minna no Golf 5 did well and better than their PSP games , development costs maybe ?

 

[CHRP718]

interesting , wonder why Clap Hanz abandoned PS3 even when Minna no Golf 5 did well and better than their PSP games , development costs maybe ?

Getting ready to use the Sony Wands.

 

[charlequin]

Do you seriously think that the potential sales of a completely new sequel are the same as the potential sales of the one based on a previously released game?

To someone who owns a PSP, a sequel based on a console game that they never had any interest in playing is completely new, duh. :lol

The entire, and I do mean entire, appeal of MH on PSP is in its local multiplayer. Every single copy that sells is selling to someone who intends to use it to play with other friends on the same system. Whether there's a useless, gimped console version that can't be used to play with friends already out there is totally irrelevant to the sales of the game on the PSP.

Hoping for MH to be as popular on the home consoles is like hoping Pokemon will sell as much as it does on portables on the home consoles.

Someone in here actually made that exceedingly foolish claim a few weeks ago! Who was it?

The only thing you got right is that Tales games doesn't sell well on ds. They do on psp.

Oh for Pete's sake. The best-selling PSP Tales title sold about 60k more than the best-selling DS one. Almost all the titles on both systems sold within a fairly narrow 200k-350k window. The best-selling titles on both systems sold worse than Legendia, the worst-selling entry on the PS2. At very best you can argue that Tales sells the least shittily on PSP. :lol

EDIT: Sarnath'd with a ridiculous vengeance by JJS' epic chart.

 

[Jokeropia]

Quoting myself - any ideas about this one?

I believe this is what we know:

CCPro bundles: ~70% sellthrough, outsold standalone game 2:1.
Standalone game: ~40% sellthrough, outsold by CCPro bundles 2:1.
Black Wii bundle: ~80% sellthrough, 20k sold.
All SKUs: 54.36% sellthrough.

All data are from Media Create and concern first week sales, that is August 1 - 2.

Since MC had first week sales at 520,000, the total shipment according to them was 957k. 25k of those were the Wii bundle leaving 932k for the standalones and the CCPro bundles.

If 70% of the CCPro bundle shipments is twice as much as 40% of the standalone game shipments, CCPro bundle shipments were 8/7 as many as the shipments of the standalone game, that is 14% higher.

(0.7X = 2(0.4Y) -> 0.7X = 0.8Y -> X = 1.14Y)

With the 932k shipped of the standalone and the CCPro bundles, this works out to 435k for the standalone and 497k for the CCPro bundles.

(Y + 1.14Y = 932k -> 2.14Y = 932k -> Y = 435k, X = 497k)

Total week 1 sellthrough according to Media Create:

CCPro bundles: ~348k / 497k
Standalone game: ~174k / 435k
Black Wii bundle: ~20k / 25k
All SKUs: 542k / 957k

Doesn't match perfectly, most likely due to the sell-through percentages not being exactly 70%, 40% and 80% respectively, but it's close enough to give a good idea of the situation.

 

[markatisu]

CCPro bundles: ~348k / 497k
Standalone game: ~174k / 435k
Black Wii bundle: ~20k / 25k
All SKUs: 542k / 957k

Doesn't match perfectly, most likely due to the sell-through percentages not being exactly 70%, 40% and 80% respectively, but it's close enough to give a good idea of the situation.

Yup wayyyyy to many standalones :lol

 

[Pureauthor]

I suppose the obvious conclusion to draw from all this is that Monster Hunter should be moved to the DS.

 

[timetokill]

http://i30.tinypic.com/1hidl.png

:lol :lol Damn!

 

[ccbfan]

Maybe you should add whether its a port/main game/side game to the chart too?

I can make that same chart with RE5/RE4 Wii/RE whatever that side game was called too if you want.

 

[apujanata]

Spiegel
Banned

 

[shykyoichi]

Whether MHTri sold bajillions on it's first day or not doesn't matter, nor does it really matter that it hasn't yet cracked (and will likely not) it's original sales estimations.
What matters is that it's now a massively selling franchise that has had a very nice transition from PS2 to Wii and so is an extremely lucrative avenue for the future of the series on a home console.
The PSP is a safety net for sales, they can make money from that releasing anything with the MH name slapped on it - meanwhile they can expand on the Wii fanbase they've created and then they essentially have a number one selling franchise on both of the platforms which brings in huge numbers with every released edition.

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[AdventureRacing]

Maybe you should add whether its a port/main game/side game to the chart too?

Do we even really know? There is so many of the damn things i have no idea which ones are the main ones if any. Does anyone really care that it's the official main game in the series? I just think that unlike other games it just really doesn't matter for tales anymore.

 

[HK-47]

Someone in here actually made that exceedingly foolish claim a few weeks ago! Who was it?

Though we dont actually have an example for Pokemon.

 

[Oldschool]

Why was Spiegel banned?

 

[ethelred]

Why was Spiegel banned?

It's the natural order of things. Right after he posted this:

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. PSP delivery ships on fire off the shoulder of Okinawa. I watched Wii games glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

... he just kind of broke down and had to be escorted out.

 

[Magicpaint]

Oh for Pete's sake. The best-selling PSP Tales title sold about 60k more than the best-selling DS one. Almost all the titles on both systems sold within a fairly narrow 200k-350k window. The best-selling titles on both systems sold worse than Legendia, the worst-selling entry on the PS2. At very best you can argue that Tales sells the least shittily on PSP. :lol

The PSP is yet to get an original mainline Tales title though - which I believe is why spiegel thnks the PSP games have sold well versus the DS ones. The DS games were all positioned as mainline titles and sold less than half of what the best selling PS2 games did. The spinoffs on PSP however, sold better than every mainline Tales game we've had this gen.

It could very well be that mainline Tales is no longer popular like it was in the PS1/2 days, which could possibly be due to the fact that we're having so many of them now (with widely varying qualities on the DS front) but I'm still eager to see what a mainline Tales game could achieve on the PSP to know for sure.

 

[HK-47]

The PSP is yet to get an original mainline Tales title though - which I believe is why spiegel thnks the PSP games have sold well versus the DS ones. The DS games were all positioned as mainline titles and sold less than half of what the best selling PS2 games did. The spinoffs on PSP however, sold better than every mainline Tales game we've had this gen.

It could very well be that mainline Tales is no longer popular like it was in the PS1/2 days, which could possibly be due to the fact that we're having so many of them now (with widely varying qualities on the DS front) but I'm still eager to see what a mainline Tales game could achieve on the PSP to know for sure.

I think its definitely something to keep in mind. Why else would a spinoff made specifically for fans sell more than mainline Tales on a bigger userbase with one would assume is a far bigger RPG audience? And why the huge spike over the previous version?

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

:lol :lol :lol

 

[duckroll]

I think its definitely something to keep in mind. Why else would a spinoff made specifically for fans sell more than mainline Tales?

One reason could be because fans are more attached to characters they liked in previous installments, and would be interested in crossover games featuring many of the characters they liked, but yet don't feel that inclined to jump in for each new Tales game featuring a new cast? With so many Tales releases coming out recently and several of dubious quality, I've been saying for years now that the Tales series is totally overexposed.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

*clears throat after nearly non-stop laughter) Sorry for that previous post but this thread is just ridiculous.

I mean really this Tri debate should have ended in the Famitsu thread when these numbers were first posted:

I believe this is what we know:

CCPro bundles: ~70% sellthrough, outsold standalone game 2:1.
Standalone game: ~40% sellthrough, outsold by CCPro bundles 2:1.
Black Wii bundle: ~80% sellthrough, 20k sold.
All SKUs: 54.36% sellthrough.

All data are from Media Create and concern first week sales, that is August 1 - 2.

Since MC had first week sales at 520,000, the total shipment according to them was 957k. 25k of those were the Wii bundle leaving 932k for the standalones and the CCPro bundles.

If 70% of the CCPro bundle shipments is twice as much as 40% of the standalone game shipments, CCPro bundle shipments were 8/7 as many as the shipments of the standalone game, that is 14% higher.

(0.7X = 2(0.4Y) -> 0.7X = 0.8Y -> X = 1.14Y)

With the 932k shipped of the standalone and the CCPro bundles, this works out to 435k for the standalone and 497k for the CCPro bundles.

(Y + 1.14Y = 932k -> 2.14Y = 932k -> Y = 435k, X = 497k)

Total week 1 sellthrough according to Media Create:

CCPro bundles: ~348k / 497k
Standalone game: ~174k / 435k
Black Wii bundle: ~20k / 25k
All SKUs: 542k / 957k

Doesn't match perfectly, most likely due to the sell-through percentages not being exactly 70%, 40% and 80% respectively, but it's close enough to give a good idea of the situation.

Just too much stock shipped for the stand alone game, that's it.

 

[HK-47]

One reason could be because fans are more attached to characters they liked in previous installments, and would be interested in crossover games featuring many of the characters they liked, but yet don't feel that inclined to jump in for each new Tales game featuring a new cast? With so many Tales releases coming out recently and several of dubious quality, I've been saying for years now that the Tales series is totally overexposed.

Yeah, I'd definitely buy the overexposure theory. Still 60k over any mainline game and 100k over the previous installment seems quite big, given the current state of Tales sales.

 

[duckroll]

Yeah, I'd definitely buy the overexposure theory. Still 60k over any mainline game and 100k over the previous installment seems quite big, given the current state of Tales sales.

Yes, I'm aware there's no full explanation for how well RM2 sold on the PSP. Until there is a real Tales entry on the PSP, it'll be impossible to tell if there really is a huge fanbase wanting to only buy Tales games on the PSP, or if it's just a result of the crossover aspect of Tales being more appealing than a real Tales these days.

 

[Magicpaint]

One reason could be because fans are more attached to characters they liked in previous installments, and would be interested in crossover games featuring many of the characters they liked, but yet don't feel that inclined to jump in for each new Tales game featuring a new cast? With so many Tales releases coming out recently and several of dubious quality, I've been saying for years now that the Tales series is totally overexposed.

I think another reason for the main Tales games could be the lack of a single platform focus like the previous gens. Now we're having mainline Tales games on so many consoles you have to wonder how many fans will actually care enough to buy multiple systems to play each game.

 

[duckroll]

I think another reason for the main Tales games could be the lack of a single platform focus like the previous gens. Now we're having mainline Tales games on so many consoles you have to wonder how many fans will actually care enough to buy multiple systems to play each game.

If that's really the case though, shouldn't the DS Tales games sell a lot more than they've been doing? I really expected ToH to do much better than it did, because it's a really solid effort. It's really surprising to me that it didn't eventually outsell RM2.

 

[perfectchaos007]

So why is Monster Hunter Tri on clearance after just a couple weeks when it is on pace to sell a million units without a price drop? Economics does not compute

 

[Magicpaint]

If that's really the case though, shouldn't the DS Tales games sell a lot more than they've been doing? I really expected ToH to do much better than it did, because it's a really solid effort. It's really surprising to me that it didn't eventually outsell RM2.

I expected better for ToH too, but it had a few things working against it:

1. Tempest and Innocence (which were below par for a proper Tales effort) didn't pave a good path for it.
2. The heavy price tag.
3. Hideous CG version, lol.

Honestly it should have done better - I at least was hoping good word of mouth would help it because it's an extremely solid entry in the franchise with all the qualities you'd expect. I wonder how well it'd have done if it was actually the FIRST DS effort.

 

[markatisu]

So why is Monster Hunter Tri on clearance after just a couple weeks when it is on pace to sell a million units without a price drop? Economics does not compute

It does when a retailer overorders a specific sku

Its not an across the board price drop and its not on all versions

 

[charlequin]

The PSP is yet to get an original mainline Tales title though - which I believe is why spiegel thnks the PSP games have sold well versus the DS ones.

Sure, but if ifs and buts were candy and nuts then hobos would have no teeth. The difference between what is already demonstrated (that the PSP is selling Tales games slightly better than any of the other systems, but still much worse than the "good old days" on PS2) and one possible implication of that (that a mothership Tales might do even more better on PSP) is what I'm taking issue with here.

 

[cvxfreak]

I'm really starting to hate the terms "mainline" and "core entry."

 

[courage201]

Were the hardware numbers ever posted?

 

[lowlylowlycook]

It is correct here. http://www.m-create.com/ranking/

DSi 70,066
Wii 47,140
PSP 33,893
DS Lite 8,699
PS3 5,826
Xbox 360 5,436
PS2 4,601

NDS - 23
WII - 8
PSP - 7
PS2 - 5
PS3 - 4
360 - 3

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[Pureauthor]

I'm really starting to hate the terms "mainline" and "core entry."

Blame the company with the esoteric naming system for a franchise which comes in with at least 1 new entry a year.

 

[Nirolak]

PS3 5,826
Xbox 360 5,436

Well that was unexpected.

 

[Blablurn]

Well that was unexpected.

not really. there are ps3 shortages in japan.

 

[swerve]

So people who want PS3s can't get them?