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Media Create Sales: Feb. 1 - 7, 2010
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Sgt. Killjoy
Member
It is so good to see PSPgo fail.
oldie-newbie
Member
KongRudi said:
Perhaps Sony will be more aware of consumer desires and not of what Sony wants for consumers :lol
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Chris1964 said:
It's interesting to note that not only is SSBB just ahead of FFXIII for the week, but LTD as well. That is, at least with the numbers I've got in Garaph (Famitsu versions, of course) nothing is between them.Dalthien said:
Shadow Red
Member
Kunio-kun Nekketsu! Daiundoukai... Need more info!
charlequin
Banned
KongRudi said:
Firmly establish that overpriced hardware and anti-consumer DD software platforms are not particularly desirable from an end-user standpoint?
Chris1964 said:
Not necessarily. Just because used games are popular and home broadband penetration isn't considered a necessity doesn't mean there aren't markets for it. For example, there's an absolute shit-ton of stuff on phones. A lot of it was marketing, and PSP Go simply didn't offer any useful features over the PSP. The entire concept would be much easier to swallow if UMDs never existed in the first place.
AranhaHunter
Banned
jcm said:
I'm pretty sure the iphone/itouch is not nearly as popular in Japan as you think it is.
oldie-newbie
Member
AranhaHunter said:
True at the launch but not now...
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/12/17/japans-smartphone-market-the-iphone-is-huge-the-blackberry-and-android-arent/
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
KH:BBS watch. Famitsu finally starts to close the gap with Media Create! By 245 units! Dengeki stills manages to make the gap bigger though! By exactly 100 units!
Deng - 15,125 (LTD: 790,989)
MCre - 14,780 (LTD: 727,938)
Fams - 15,025 (LTD: 689,694) (shipped: 716,338)
We can also do some comparisons with God Eater and Star Ocean 4 since M-Create also gave sell-through figures:
God Eater
Deng - 302,295 (shipped: 355,641)
MCre - 295,405 (shipped: 360,162)
Fams - 276,104 (shipped: 325,136)
Star Ocean 4
Fams - 84,882 (shipped: 150,882)
Deng - 74,471 (shipped: 165,491)
MCre - 72,026 (shipped: 138,538)
EDIT: now with Dengeki shipped (approx) thanks to Road post below
Deng - 15,125 (LTD: 790,989)
MCre - 14,780 (LTD: 727,938)
Fams - 15,025 (LTD: 689,694) (shipped: 716,338)
We can also do some comparisons with God Eater and Star Ocean 4 since M-Create also gave sell-through figures:
God Eater
Deng - 302,295 (shipped: 355,641)
MCre - 295,405 (shipped: 360,162)
Fams - 276,104 (shipped: 325,136)
Star Ocean 4
Fams - 84,882 (shipped: 150,882)
Deng - 74,471 (shipped: 165,491)
MCre - 72,026 (shipped: 138,538)
EDIT: now with Dengeki shipped (approx) thanks to Road post below
AranhaHunter said:
I haven't been to Japan in years, but dude, that country dug the iPod. In fact, they loved virtually anything to do with Apple. So I'd be remarkably surprised if the iPhone / iPod Touch aren't selling well over there. The Japanese really love clean design, and Apple excels to stupid levels at that.
I'm amazed PSPgo is selling even 1 unit a week, I don't see any reason to buy it at that price at all. Profit margin on that thing has got to be through the roof though. Also, even if it was cheaper than the 3000, there's a whole bunch of titles that aren't available from the online store.
Dengeki Sales, Feb. 1 - 7, 2010:
01 / 00 [PSP] God Eater (Bandai Namco Games) - 302,295 / NEW
02 / 01 [NDS] Dragon Quest VI: Realms of Reverie (Square Enix) - 185,116 / 1,096,702
03 / 00 [PS3] Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope - International (Square Enix) - 74,471 / NEW
04 / 04 [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 60,078 / 3,266,630
05 / 05 [NDS] Tomodachi Collection (Nintendo) - 39,339 / 2,723,240
06 / 02 [PS3] End of Eternity (Sega) - 28,172 / 143,613
07 / 06 [WII] Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo) - 27,194 / 1,610,809
08 / 00 [PSP] Pop 'n Music Portable (Konami) - 18,216 / NEW
09 / 07 [PSP] Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep (Square Enix) - 15,125 / 790,989
10 / 11 [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (PSP the Best Reprint) (Capcom) - 13,661 / 138,543
11 / 12 [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) - 13,094 / 1,752,207
12 / 10 [PS3] MAG: Massive Action Game (SCE) - 12,019 / 30,073
13 / 03 [PS3] Ar tonelico III: Sekai Shuuen no Hikigane wa Shoujo no Uta ga Hajiku (Bandai Namco Games) - 10,169 / 100,096
14 / 15 [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 8,639 / 5,440,000
15 / 14 [WII] Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles (Capcom) - 8,465 / 119,591
16 / 09 [PSP] Valkyria Chronicles 2 (Sega) - 8,153 / 121,591
17 / 00 [NDS] Kunio-kun no Chou Nekketsu! Daiundoukai (Arc System Works) - 7,822 / NEW
18 / 21 [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) - 6,500 / 2,559,000
19 / 08 [360] End of Eternity (Sega) - 6,263 / 33,082
20 / 20 [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Kyoui no Shinryakusha - Blizzard (Level 5) - 6,094 / ?
Other (FW/LTD):
[360] Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope (Square Enix) - 174,000 / 220,000
Sell-through:
- [PSP] God Eater: 85%.
- [PS3] Star Ocean 4 International: 45%
Top 10 publishers in fiscal year 2009 (Apr. 2009 - Mar. 2010) and comparison to 2008 (by units, in thousands):
1. Nintendo (-670)
2. Square-Enix (+5,800)
3. Bandai Namco (-1,510)
4. Pokemon (+1,640)
5. Konami (-700)
6. Capcom (-40)
7. Level-5 (+1,120)
8. Sega (-20)
9. Sony (-260)
10. Koei (-300)
http://ascii.jp/elem/000/000/498/498480/
http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/236/236914/
Jan. 25 - 31
01 / 00 [PSP] God Eater (Bandai Namco Games) - 302,295 / NEW
02 / 01 [NDS] Dragon Quest VI: Realms of Reverie (Square Enix) - 185,116 / 1,096,702
03 / 00 [PS3] Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope - International (Square Enix) - 74,471 / NEW
04 / 04 [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 60,078 / 3,266,630
05 / 05 [NDS] Tomodachi Collection (Nintendo) - 39,339 / 2,723,240
06 / 02 [PS3] End of Eternity (Sega) - 28,172 / 143,613
07 / 06 [WII] Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo) - 27,194 / 1,610,809
08 / 00 [PSP] Pop 'n Music Portable (Konami) - 18,216 / NEW
09 / 07 [PSP] Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep (Square Enix) - 15,125 / 790,989
10 / 11 [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (PSP the Best Reprint) (Capcom) - 13,661 / 138,543
11 / 12 [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) - 13,094 / 1,752,207
12 / 10 [PS3] MAG: Massive Action Game (SCE) - 12,019 / 30,073
13 / 03 [PS3] Ar tonelico III: Sekai Shuuen no Hikigane wa Shoujo no Uta ga Hajiku (Bandai Namco Games) - 10,169 / 100,096
14 / 15 [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 8,639 / 5,440,000
15 / 14 [WII] Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles (Capcom) - 8,465 / 119,591
16 / 09 [PSP] Valkyria Chronicles 2 (Sega) - 8,153 / 121,591
17 / 00 [NDS] Kunio-kun no Chou Nekketsu! Daiundoukai (Arc System Works) - 7,822 / NEW
18 / 21 [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) - 6,500 / 2,559,000
19 / 08 [360] End of Eternity (Sega) - 6,263 / 33,082
20 / 20 [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Kyoui no Shinryakusha - Blizzard (Level 5) - 6,094 / ?
Other (FW/LTD):
[360] Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope (Square Enix) - 174,000 / 220,000
Sell-through:
- [PSP] God Eater: 85%.
- [PS3] Star Ocean 4 International: 45%
Top 10 publishers in fiscal year 2009 (Apr. 2009 - Mar. 2010) and comparison to 2008 (by units, in thousands):
1. Nintendo (-670)
2. Square-Enix (+5,800)
3. Bandai Namco (-1,510)
4. Pokemon (+1,640)
5. Konami (-700)
6. Capcom (-40)
7. Level-5 (+1,120)
8. Sega (-20)
9. Sony (-260)
10. Koei (-300)
Code:
Hardware | This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
------------------------------------------------------------
NDS | 50,447 | 66,544 | 508,360 | 29,473,065
PSP | 42,238 | 45,831 | 488,383 | 13,877,775
WII | 32,728 | 38,234 | 412,858 | 9,958,294
PS3 | 24,011 | 29,534 | 278,794 | 4,763,942
360 | 3,191 | 4,365 | 33,695 | 1,242,350
PS2 | 1,991 | 2,019 | 15,022 |
------------------------------------------------------------
Total | 154,606 | 186,527 | 1,737,112 |http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/236/236914/
Jan. 25 - 31
Chris1964 said:
To make matters worse Nintendo advertised this one pretty heavily as I recall. The advertisements had Beyonce in them!
It may have sold ok, but likely due to the high marketing expenses NoA probably considers it a failure (similar to what happened with Elite Beat Agents and Earthbound).
Somnid said:
That is pretty good because man Style Savvy, for all the sales potential that title has, was the definition of zero marketing. I've never seen Nintendo try less to support a title. It simply arrived on the shelf one day.
That ad campaign is new to me. That's something they should have had before xmas.
Certainly sounds like it could be a layton effect late seller if they're just getting around to advertising it now.
edit: Sorry to bring in the NA sales discussion.
gkrykewy said:
Well, I seem to recall that before the PSP Go launched, everyone were complaining about the UMD, it only sucked battery, and it were inconvenient, so Sony launched a Digital Download device in addition to the regular one.
While after the launch everyone bitched and complained that they couldn't use UMD's, wich they complained on before the PSP-go released.
It's dumb that the Go didn't become a success, more games would be made available for download market. And consumers would be less dependant on various stores, for getting the right pre-order bonuses.
Especially it's dumb for a device like the PSP, wich don't got much retail-space anyway, and you are dependant on ordering games via mail.
The only thing I don't like about the Go, is that it uses a multi-function port instead of a regular miniUSB. Otherwise it's great. Much better than the normal PSP.
charlequin
Banned
jcm said:
Well, I did say "anti-consumer DD platforms." I buy digital-only software, but only from platforms that don't suck -- i.e. not the PSP Go. :lol
KongRudi said:
This is a really, really, really stupid argument, and it has been since the very first time it was offered up.
Let me analogize this for you. Let's say you ride the bus to work every day, and it's a lousy bus service: the buses smell, and they're usually late, and otherwise the experience is kind of lousy. So you complain about the bus. This bus service sucks!
So the city announces: great news! We've eliminated bus service! Now, instead, we have a taxi service. And, sure, the taxi service is faster, and it doesn't smell. But a single taxi ride costs like $15 for a route that cost $1 for a bus ticket, and the taxi service doesn't even cover as much ground -- they won't go outside the city limits, while the bus system ran into all the nearby towns, so it turns out this taxi service actually won't take you to your job two towns over at all!
For all the things that are better about the taxis, you're still much worse off: before you had the option of the crappy bus (that still did some things the taxis didn't) or paying extra for the taxi; now your only option is the expensive taxi rides that don't even do everything the buses did before. "But you hated the buses!" someone cries. Well, no shit, they were shitty buses! But while they were a lot worse than fixing the problems with the buses, they were a lot worse than just getting rid of them for no reason. :lol
Tiktaalik said:That is pretty good because man Style Savvy, for all the sales potential that title has, was the definition of zero marketing. I've never seen Nintendo try less to support a title. It simply arrived on the shelf one day.
That ad campaign is new to me. That's something they should have had before xmas.
Certainly sounds like it could be a layton effect late seller if they're just getting around to advertising it now.
edit: Sorry to bring in the NA sales discussion.
They started with a rather poor commercial and I haven't seen anything else for it (hell I even called out the gaming press because not a damn one reviewed it). They might have snuck something into girl mags but if they did it targeted pretty young in age. Otherwise the DS section of local stores have tons of Style Savvy stuff but not really anything to get people out to the store. I really hope NOA targets a little bit higher in age as it will really help sales. I think one thing Japan has done a lot better is widen the target in age groups with Girl's Mode advertising.
BoilersFan23
Member
Sony prices the PSP Go higher for two main reasons:Mojo said:
-Retailers aren't getting a cut in game profit. Most gaming hardware is sold at very little profit for retailers. Most retailers don't care because they make money selling games. With PSP Go, once it sells, that's most likely the only money a retailer will get unless they sell accessories (PSN pre-paid cards don't exactly generate much profit to retailers). Most electronic devices are marked up quite a bit so retailers get a good share of profit (like TVs and stuff). So PSP Go is definitely sold at a higher price so retailers get a decent profit margin. One reason we see varying prices for the PSP Go at times (like some places selling it for $200 in the states) is because a retailer can still profit at a lower price (unlike selling a PS3, 360, etc.). A PSP-3000 does not give a retailer much profit, but UMD games do, so that explains why it can be priced lower.
-Main reason is the PSP Go is a test platform. There's no way Sony is going to take a loss on two gaming hardware (they are losing money on every PS3 they sell) and Sony wants to see how the market will react to DD only (to help them decide how to handle PS4 and PSP2). Not everyone has internet access and not everyone may understand the concept of downloading games (its true, the general public doesn't fully understand it). If Sony saw the PSP Go becoming popular with a DD only approach, they'd most likely use the same model for PSP2. If DD does not take off, then Sony knows to stick with some physical media next gen. Also gives Sony a chance to get a DD only platform into retailers, trying to get them to accept the idea. If Sony made PSP2 as strictly DD and ran into the same issues with PSP Go (retailers not liking the idea and the general public not being ready for it), it would have been a huge financial blow to Sony. By using existing tech (like the original PSP) is much cheaper and not being successful won't hurt much financially.
Koeller(sp) himself said that PSP Go was also intended to be positioned as a premium device. Premium devices (with a higher pricetag) don't tend to sell a lot. So, I believe Sony knew what to expect regardless.
Personally, I think the PSP Go is a fantastic device (I own one). The size is perfect, having all games on a HDD is great, and not dealing with UMD slow loading (and load sounds) is really nice. I think its the best idea for a handheld yet, but it came a bit late when many publishers weren't willing to put all their UMD games as download.
Oh I definitely remember that.KongRudi said:
boiled goose
good with gravy
Man God said:
FFIII effect was already factored into PS3 sales from the very beginning. PPL always new it was coming. PPL knew what to expect.
mugurumakensei
Member
amtentori said:
FFIII was released for PS3
.As for FF XIII, I imagine most people who waited for FF XIII bought a slim in the period leading up to FF XIII's launch.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Celine said:
Very interesting, thanks for pointing that out. I've never seen Wonder Project J on any million seller list, so anyone who maintains one should definitely add it!
oldie-newbie
Member
onken said:
You are right about only one supplier and extortionate contract but you are wrong about success of Iphone...
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/12/17/japans-smartphone-market-the-iphone-is-huge-the-blackberry-and-android-arent/
charlequin
Banned
KongRudi said:
I don't think you really understood the analogy, whose purpose was to demonstrate that your "bubububu you complained about the UMD!!!" cliche dumbness was, in fact, super mega dumb. People (in my hypothetical example) complained about the bus, too, but that didn't mean they wanted it to be removed!
But the buses is still going...
There's only a struggling Taxi-company for those who prefer the taxi, and don't need/or can't use the bus.
The bus dosn't need to come, when you called for a taxi, do it?
If a bus-passenger (Sgt. Killjoy) look at the crashed taxi with injured people lying around, and saying 'It's good to see the Taxi crashed', just because he is driving in the bus?
I bet every single person on the bus would scowl pretty badly towards him.
And that is why I asked him what were good about it..
All who enjoys games, should hope that the games and platforms succeeds, no matter wich delivery method they are using to get the games into consumer-hands.
Just like everyone should hope that everyone gets around safely in the traffic, in your hopeless analogy, no matter if they drive the bus or taxi.
There's only a struggling Taxi-company for those who prefer the taxi, and don't need/or can't use the bus.
The bus dosn't need to come, when you called for a taxi, do it?
If a bus-passenger (Sgt. Killjoy) look at the crashed taxi with injured people lying around, and saying 'It's good to see the Taxi crashed', just because he is driving in the bus?
I bet every single person on the bus would scowl pretty badly towards him.
And that is why I asked him what were good about it..
All who enjoys games, should hope that the games and platforms succeeds, no matter wich delivery method they are using to get the games into consumer-hands.
Just like everyone should hope that everyone gets around safely in the traffic, in your hopeless analogy, no matter if they drive the bus or taxi.
Pureauthor
Member
KongRudi said:
Fine, let's simplify it.
Thing A sucks. No one likes it. (Or a few people like, but not enough to matter.)
The solution is not to offer thing B, which sucks even more.
onken
Member
oldie-newbie said:
Well unless we know the proportion that the "smartphone" market makes up, that doesn't really tell us anything. All I can say is I see very few people using them (though my brother-in-law has one). This was the complete reverse of how it transpired in the UK, where it was also (originally) locked to one provider with an extortionate contract, but still EVERYONE had one.