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Media Create Sales: Jan. 25 - 31, 2010
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onken said:
yeah, of course it's non-news. That's the point. Could GAF ban them please? I went there with expectations of bad games journalism and didn't leave with disappointment. Still, I think that's to be expected there, isn't it?...
Stumpokapow said:
How could you!!! Starting up my laptop and reading GAF comes first. Pissing and drinking a coffee second and third.
One of the reasons why most think SO4 is not going to replicate ToV:
COMGNET pre-order points:
[PS3] White Knight Chronicles - 313
[PS3] End of Eternity - 239
[PS3] Ar Tonelico 3 - 154
[PS3] Valkyria Chronicles - 138
[360] Tales of Vesperia - 225
[PS3] Tales of Vesperia - 483
[360] Star Ocean 4 - 224
[PS3] Star Ocean 4 - 93
Now, it's always possible people just opted to buy the game instead of pre-ordering it. We'll know next week.
COMGNET pre-order points:
[PS3] White Knight Chronicles - 313
[PS3] End of Eternity - 239
[PS3] Ar Tonelico 3 - 154
[PS3] Valkyria Chronicles - 138
[360] Tales of Vesperia - 225
[PS3] Tales of Vesperia - 483
[360] Star Ocean 4 - 224
[PS3] Star Ocean 4 - 93
Now, it's always possible people just opted to buy the game instead of pre-ordering it. We'll know next week.
onken
Member
C.T. said:
If you really want to spare us from the horror of Kotaku then you can stop rushing to tell us all about their latest article, they hadn't even done anything wrong this time. If we went around banning every gaming site that posts stupid shit then there wouldn't be a single one left.
duckroll said:I wonder if sinobi will ever go back to posting first day sales figures on Fridays. I really miss that...
Me too
Well, all the hope is on FFXIII western sales.
Changing subjects.
Comparing the first 5 weeks of the year (hardware units sales; Media Create):
Changing subjects.
Comparing the first 5 weeks of the year (hardware units sales; Media Create):
Code:
WII PS3 360 PSP NDS
2009 244,000 145,000 56,000 343,000 550,000
2010 385,000 273,000 24,000 463,000 466,000
% +58% +88% -57% +35% -15%
+/- +142,000 +128,000 -31,000 +120,000 -84,000
Paracelsus
Member
dolemite said:
Because it's basically Tales of Vesperia 1.5/2, this one instead is a straight port, with little to no good word of mouth plus the nice pedigree coming from Infinite Undiscovery, which ended up hurting Resonance of Fate too, I'd bet.
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charlequin
Banned
EXGN said:
Tales of Vesperia was a port of a game with excellent word of mouth and a huge amount of new content; SO4 is a port of a stinky turd dropped into a new box.
Nirolak said:
And yet, neither Durante nor icecream has expressed the slightest interest. :lol
Eteric Rice said:
If there is any genre whose fanbase is 100% clearly committed to the PS3 in this market, it's the moe pervert RPG crowd.
I know people here largely won't believe me, but the interesting things about AT1 and 2 (I have not yet played 3) include great music, a really unique setting with a well-developed backstory and great gameplay systems (eg. the innovative battle system in 2). It's not just "moe" -- that's a bit like saying that many recent Cave shooters only sell because of the scantily clad flying girls. Yes, they do try to fully hit their niche with that kind of appeal (and I won't pretend that I mind much), but its far from being the only reason for their success. In both cases, there is also unique, high quality gameplay there.charlequin said:
Anyway, I'll confirm my 75k prediction for SO4 FW. It's a direct port of a (by most reports) mediocre game released at a really bad time.
rykomatsu
Member
Durante said:
Truth right there. While anecdotal, there are quite a few people who purportedly got into the series because they heard the music. While the music itself might not be mainstream music, it's difficult to deny that the production quality of the compositions are extremely high. Even 4 years after AT1's release, I still regularly listen to most of the albums..aside from a handful of tracks (not albums), I can't say the same for most any other music in my collection.
I can understand why people will blow off the game due to the fact that it, visually, does appeal to the anime crowd, but that's basically ignoring another vast aspect of the series.
charlequin
Banned
Baki said:
SO4 is two different sacks of crap that you have to constantly get up and switch between at arbitrary moments while you're sitting there enjoying your crappy crap. SO4:I is just an upgrade where they put all the crap in one really big sack.
While I understand that there are a few unusual souls out there who really enjoy where the Star Ocean series has gone lately, the reason the notion that the game is terrible has spread is that by and large the game is terrible and the vast majority of potential purchasers amongst the (fairly large) PS3-owning, RPG-liking crowd would not like it.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
rykomatsu said:
I agree, while I cringe at the absurdity of some of the fanservice and dialog of Ar Tonelico, what I do enjoy about it is the amazing musical score.
I was won over because of the music, and the music is so good that I forced myself to overlook things that typically would annoy me greatly.
nodish2 said:
Depends on how much money MS threw at Tri Ace to make it exclusive, they ended up sacrificing 300k+ sales (maybe even higher) on the PS3 if it had launch at the same time before all negative feedback of the game happened, which by the looks of it will cause the late port to sell not so well. Though for Namco it worked for TOV but that game didn't suck plus had a bunch of extras/content for the late port so it's sales on the PS3 were great.
Where does this 300k+ come from? Do you think negative word of mouth wouldn't affect the sales of PS3 version? But even if it sold that much on PS3, releasing the game the same time for PS3 and 360 means that 360 version would sell much less that what has sold now.ZoddGutts said:
Unless you believe it would sell 450k on PS3 and 200k on 360.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
Good old Namco:
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/02/06/god_cheater/
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/02/06/god_cheater/
Well done. Lets see if they get it right for God Eater G, God Eater Dos, God Eater Dos G, God Eater Tri...
onken
Member
nodish2 said:
I'm going to say no. If you threw it out as multi from the start, lots of people would have bought it (on PS3) out of blind optimism. Sure, it wouldn't have made the game any better, but that's still a lot of copies on shelves, it keeps the game in mind and creates an automatic interest in the sequel.
Now we have this late port when it's well established that the game is shitty, people are just going to avoid it completely. When (if?) SO5 comes along, it's going to be automatically regarded as "the sequel to that shitty game that came out on that console that nobody owns".
If Star Ocean 4 was released multiplatform from the start, there is no way in hell that the 360 version will sell 200k. It will probably not even sell 100k lifetime.
The PS3 version will likely do better, maaaybe over 300k, but it won't reach SO3 sales because the word of mouth will most likely kill it off for good. So you'll have a total of under 400k across both systems, without any additional benefits they might have gotten from MS (free marketing push, subsidies, etc).
Where else now, let's say SO4 ships 100k on the PS3, that puts it at about 300k total. Not great by any means, but not a far cry from what I think they would have sold in the other scenario either.
The PS3 version will likely do better, maaaybe over 300k, but it won't reach SO3 sales because the word of mouth will most likely kill it off for good. So you'll have a total of under 400k across both systems, without any additional benefits they might have gotten from MS (free marketing push, subsidies, etc).
Where else now, let's say SO4 ships 100k on the PS3, that puts it at about 300k total. Not great by any means, but not a far cry from what I think they would have sold in the other scenario either.
onken
Member
SO4 came out a time when PS3 was gagging for a proper JRPG (quality didn't even come in to it), I think they could have shipped 500k easily (maybe, 450/50 split). We know how horrendously front-loaded JRPGs are, word of mouth wouldn't have done shit.
So, I would say they've lost 200k sales as well as the fairly heavy damage that the franchise reduction size is going to do to the sequel (assuming it gets one).
So, I would say they've lost 200k sales as well as the fairly heavy damage that the franchise reduction size is going to do to the sequel (assuming it gets one).
I think what people need to take away from ToV PS3 doing really well for a year old port, is that it is a game with excellent word of mouth, a dedicated core fanbase, and enough solid additional content to convince people to double dip. There is also the additional fact that JRPGs fans are definitely more supportive of the platform compared to the Wii and 360. These combined factors allowed it to not only surpass the 360 original in sales, but also surpass most other JRPGs on any current platform. But I'm sure a good percentage of the people buying the PS3 version are people who already had the 360 version, liked it a lot, and are now double dipping like they would for Tales of Destiny Director's Cut or Kingdom Hearts Final Mix.
It ToV had a single version across both platforms at launch, the breakdown most definitely would not be 160k + 330k.
And I think you're completely wrong about that. There is no way in hell SO4 would have shipped 500k on any platform in any universe.
It ToV had a single version across both platforms at launch, the breakdown most definitely would not be 160k + 330k.
onken said:
And I think you're completely wrong about that. There is no way in hell SO4 would have shipped 500k on any platform in any universe.
Double-posting because I think it is so ridiculous:
onken claims that it was coming out at a period there PS3 owners were gagging for a proper JRPG and quality doesn't even factor in. Hmmm, I wonder what other PS3 JRPG came out at about that time with tons of marketing and during the holiday rush. Oh right, White Knight Chronicles. Why didn't it easily ship 500k? :lol
onken claims that it was coming out at a period there PS3 owners were gagging for a proper JRPG and quality doesn't even factor in. Hmmm, I wonder what other PS3 JRPG came out at about that time with tons of marketing and during the holiday rush. Oh right, White Knight Chronicles. Why didn't it easily ship 500k? :lol
onken
Member
duckroll said:
Sorry, I disagree. Last numbers we have for SO4 are about 214k, which means it's probably shipped 250k on the 360. I think it's very plausible that it could have shipped 450k on PS3, but I guess we'll just agree to disagree.
duckroll said:
Brand new franchise (and shipped about 350k to boot).
You could also say that WKC was a new IP and also an "average" game (7/8/7/7) and still did 340k.duckroll said:
It wouldn't be impossible to see Star Ocean 4, an established franchise released by Square Enix to do 400k+. While the words of mouth might not be good afterwards, the inital review scores were positive (9/9/8/8).
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
SO4 came out when PS3 lacked RPGs...and a healthy userbase. Same goes for TOV, I doubt it would have pulled its results 6 months before the Slim was released.
Releasing both back then alongside 360 versions wasn't going to improve much, just the PS3 would have had the bigger share. Both SO4 and TOV did 200k on 360, if they had been PS3-360 I doubt they would have done much more than 300k, just PS3 getting the 200k or more.
TOV total is at 541k already btw (203k + 338k), just ~15k short of Abyss original release.
Releasing both back then alongside 360 versions wasn't going to improve much, just the PS3 would have had the bigger share. Both SO4 and TOV did 200k on 360, if they had been PS3-360 I doubt they would have done much more than 300k, just PS3 getting the 200k or more.
TOV total is at 541k already btw (203k + 338k), just ~15k short of Abyss original release.