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[Durante]

There are pictures from point-of-sale, but if I post them on here I'll be banned.

Either way, it's definitely aimed at the hairier-palmed of the gamer set.

That may be true (actually I'm sure it is), I'm just saying that there are more games aimed at that demographic and they usually don't have any legs at all. Bloke's claim that it has great word of mouth for its story would explain why this one is an exception.

 

[duckroll]

Is...is the Clover curse broken? Dare I say it, but does Kamiya get to drink from the goblet marked 'Success' once again after so long?!

The Clover curse is only subjected to Clover. Which is why Clover was closed down. Everyone who was in Clover has made many successful games for Capcom, just not under the Clover label. While Bayonetta is the biggest success Kamiya has seen in quite a while, it's still not as success as Resident Evil 2 or Devil May Cry. The first game he ever directed will forever be the best selling game he ever directed. I don't see it ever changing. :lol

 

[BattleMonkey]

Those are some seriously shitty numbers for a new Super Robot Wars game. Is this a new game or some half assed port of an old one?

 

[duckroll]

Those are some seriously shitty numbers for a new Super Robot Wars game. Is this a new game or some half assed port of an old one?

I think it's a "port" of the 360 one which was a "remake" of something else. Whatever the case is, it's not a completely new SRW title. It's a B-lister.

 

[Laguna]

Those are some seriously shitty numbers for a new Super Robot Wars game. Is this a new game or some half assed port of an old one?

It´s a SRW with mostly unpopular mecha-franchises for children under 8 years and in 3D.

 

[Totobeni]

Is...is the Clover curse broken? Dare I say it, but does Kamiya get to drink from the goblet marked 'Success' once again after so long?!

maybe it''s because SEGA's charm n magic

Capcom just didn't gave Clover the time or the marketing like what SEGA did , you can see SEGA gave Bayo the highest priority , Clover were just like some sort of adopted B-rated studio in Capcom and all the attention and money was/still with almighty Inafune.

 

[BattleMonkey]

It´s a SRW with mostly unpopular mecha-franchises for children under 8 years and in 3D.

So like the nasty gamecube one

 

[SecretBonusPoint]

Capcom just didn't gave Clover the time or the marketing like what SEGA did

Its like bizarro world, but the truth :lol

Not only was it the Clover curse, but also the Sega one to boot. I thought the curse had followed them with Madworld bombing as it did, but Bayonetta looks set to make a new standard for the company to grow from.

 

[schuelma]

Re: 3rd parties..I think it is fair to say that as of right now, if a third party can afford it, the PS3 is a better bet than the Wii. Of course, I would say the handhelds are better still and that the only reason the Wii hasn't been healthier for third parties is largely their own fault.

 

[Regulus Tera]

18. [WII] Sin and Punishment 2 (Nintendo) - 10,000 / NEW

If you'll excuse me, Imma go slit my wrists.

It's down the road, right?

20. [NDS] Dragon Quest IX: Hoshizora no Mamoribito (Square Enix) - 9,700 / 4,005,000

w00t 4 million!

 

[BattleMonkey]

First Sin and Punishment was not a great selling game either, people should not be surprised by this niche title.

 

[gerg]

My God, the deja vu is killing me.

Can we please wait until January 2010 before discussing how much of a rut the Wii is stuck in in Japan?

 

[Regulus Tera]

First Sin and Punishment was not a great selling game either, people should not be surprised by this niche title.

I wasn't expecting it to do gangbusters, but that the sequel is selling worse than the original is really indicative of how Nintendo has fucked the Wii in Japan™, if you ask meDragona.

 

[donny2112]

PS3 3rd party sales are not monstrous, what encompasses the super high end? MGS4, RE5,

MGS4 has show the MGS series to be nearly platform independent when it comes to its sales. RE5 is much less than it should've been. RE4 was neutered due to being put on the GameCube first. RE5 was neutered by not being part of an overall third-party support for the market-leading platform. I still think RE can be a million-seller franchise in Japan (without combining BEST re-releases or different platforms), but the last two releases haven't done much to support that idea.

I think things will pretty stay as is with few exceptions on each side in regards to 3rd party sales.

Which is bad for third-parties in Japan on consoles. From that perspective, they are probably very hopeful that the Wii2 rumors for next year will pan out.

Famitsu data:

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|    | [GBC] Pokemon G/S |[GBA] Pokemon FR/LG|[NDS] Pokemon HG/SS|       difference      |
|    | (Sunday 21/11/99) |(Thursday 29/01/04)|(Saturday 12/09/09)|                       |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   | HG/SS-G/S |HG/SS-FR/LG|
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|

You'd have to be counting on December to push HG/SS over G/S, by this point. Not a bad thing to count on, though.

 

[schuelma]

Can we please wait until January 2010 before discussing how much of a rut the Wii is stuck in in Japan?

I think its usually a pretty good discussion, though I agree that people would be wise to wait a few months to see how it plays out. If in January Wii goes back to selling 20K a week like it did January 2009, then I think we can legitimately say Nintendo has a very serious and potentially fatal problem in Japan.

 

[Laguna]

So like the nasty gamecube one

Exactly. It´s like they really don´t have a clue who buys these games.

 

[Chris1964]

You know, I'd be interested in seeing a comparison between Diamond/Pearl and HeartGold/SoulSilver... Ruby/Sapphire too, actually.

I'd like to add every Pokemon game but that would make the chart difficult to read since only three games can be seen without having to scroll the bar. I'll replace FR/LG with DQ IX (in two weeks I guess) but I don't want to replace G/S with D/P from now because I want to see how much distance HG/SS can cover from it until the end of the year.

After 8 weeks:

[GBA] Pokemon Ruby / Sapphire (Pokemon Co.) |21/11/02| - 126.398 / 3.732.991
[NDS] Pokemon Diamond / Pearl (Pokemon Co.) |28/09/06| - 101.113 / 3.161.145
[NDS] Pokemon Heart Gold / Soul Silver (Pokemon Co.) |12/09/09| - 69.000 / 2.840.000

After 5 weeks:

[WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo) |01/12/07| - 80.691 / 818.166
[WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) |25/06/09| - 66.881 / 735.226
[WII] Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo) |01/10/09| - 73.000 / 733.000

 

[gerg]

I think its usually a pretty good discussion, though I agree that people would be wise to wait a few months to see how it plays out. If in January Wii goes back to selling 20K a week like it did January 2009, then I think we can legitimately say Nintendo has a very serious and potentially fatal problem in Japan.

It's a good discussion. It's just boring to see it replayed week after week when we don't actually get much new evidence towards either conclusion.

Then again, I don't want to make it my business to continue to complain about something week after week (oh, the irony), so maybe I'll just shut up instead.

 

[cvxfreak]

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|    |[GBA] Pokemon RuSa |[NDS] Pokemon D/P  |[NDS] Pokemon HG/SS|       difference      |
|    |(Thursday 11/21/02)|(Thursday 09/28/06)|(Saturday 09/12/09)|                       |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   | HG/SS-RuSa| HG/SS-D/P |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|  1 |1,245,003|1,245,003|1,586,360|1,586,360|1,408,980|1,408,980|    163,977|   -177,380|
|  2 |  471,538|1,716,541|  433,793|2,020,153|  492,385|1,901,365|    184,824|   -118,788|
|  3 |  321,408|2,037,949|  291,178|2,311,331|  166,244|2,067,609|     29,660|   -243,722|
|  4 |  336,847|2,374,796|  231,627|2,542,958|  269,978|2,337,587|    -37,209|   -205,371|
|  5 |  437,352|2,812,148|  209,288|2,752,247|  182,699|2,520,286|   -291,862|   -231,961|
|  6 |  385,614|3,197,762|  183,048|2,935,294|  151,242|2,671,528|   -526,234|   -263,766|
|  7 |  408,831|3,606,593|  124,738|3,060,032|   99,701|2,771,229|   -835,364|   -288,803|
|  8 |  126,398|3,732,991|  101,113|3,161,145|   69,000|2,840,000|   -892,991|   -321,145|
|  9 |  105,173|3,838,164|  110,946|3,272,091|         |         |           |           |
| 10 |   66,054|3,904,218|  100,215|3,372,306|         |         |           |           |
| 11 |   56,075|3,960,293|  151,036|3,523,342|         |         |           |           |
| 12 |   40,764|4,001,057|  225,228|3,748,570|         |         |           |           |
| 13 |   44,240|4,045,297|  554,245|4,302,815|         |         |           |           |
| 14 |   34,871|4,080,168|  214,274|4,517,089|         |         |           |           |
| 15 |   31,434|4,111,602|   58,725|4,575,814|         |         |           |           |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|Year|   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   | HG/SS-RuSa| HG/SS-D/P |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|	
|  1 |3,197,762|3,197,762|4,302,815|4,302,815|2.840.000|2.840.000|   -357,762| -1,462,815|
|  2 |1,704,458|4,902,220|1,094,389|5,397,204|         |         |           |           |
|  3 |  287,026|5,189,246|  227,226|5,624,430|         |         |           |           |
|  4 |  113,430|5,302,676|   84,805|5,709,235|         |         |           |           |
|  5 |   34,369|5,337,045|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
| LTD|        -|5,337,045|        -|5,709,235|        -|2.840.000| -2,869,235| -2,497,045|
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[schuelma]

It's a good discussion. It's just boring to see it replayed week after week when we don't actually get much new evidence towards either conclusion.
.

It does get a bit old when the Wii is basically remaining steady for the time being.

 

[TunaLover]

Re: 3rd parties..I think it is fair to say that as of right now, if a third party can afford it, the PS3 is a better bet than the Wii. Of course, I would say the handhelds are better still and that the only reason the Wii hasn't been healthier for third parties is largely their own fault.

Nintendo pretty much marketed the system like a WiiSport machine, so it's a shared fault. Nintendo hasn't really pushed shit outside the WiiBrand title, so people perception can be hardly changed.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Hardware:

PSP　42000
PSPgo　28000
DSi　36000
PS3　37000
Wii　27000

PSP has taken its pricedrop and the PSP Go quite well, lol. Not much of a PS3 bump, although it doesn't surprise since there were no bundles. Should do well next week too with WE2010 bundle.

Just if there was any doubt, Sony is already pimping the PSP for the holidays.

The PSP-3000, that is.

http://www.jp.playstation.com/info/release/nr_20091104_psp_vpack.html

4 colors Value Pack at 19800Y (the old Core Pack price), it comes with a 4GB MS.

Well placed, since they are out on 12/3, which has most PSP software hits for Christmas reunited (Gundam vs Gundam Next Plus, Phantasy Star Portable 2 and Tokimeki Memorial 4). They will need any help they can get.

But since on 12/10 there's Naruto Shippuden: Narutimate Accel 3 and WE2010, they are also rehashing their MHP2G starter bundle at 18,500Y this time (Blue PSP + The Best! re-release of MHP2G). And there's a WE2010 bundle as well at 21000Y.

 

[schuelma]

Nintendo pretty much marketed the system like a WiiSport machine, so it's a shared fault. Nintendo hasn't really pushed shit outside the WiiBrand title, so people perception can be hardly changed.

Agree and disagree. They certainly marketed the machine more towards the casual brands, but the bottom line is, there just haven't been many high profile 3rd party games for Nintendo to even market.

 

[donny2112]

I think its usually a pretty good discussion, though I agree that people would be wise to wait a few months to see how it plays out. If in January Wii goes back to selling 20K a week like it did January 2009, then I think we can legitimately say Nintendo has a very serious and potentially fatal problem in Japan.

IF (date > '11/15/2007') then
  echo "Wii is in trouble in Japan."
ELSE IF (date > '8/15/2007') then
  echo "Wii will turn it around with Super Mario Galaxy in Japan."
ELSE
  echo "Wii is doing great in Japan."
END IF

 

[lupinko]

I think it's a "port" of the 360 one which was a "remake" of something else. Whatever the case is, it's not a completely new SRW title. It's a B-lister.

Actually, SRW Neo is a completely different and new SRW that is also of the 3D variety, which is also why the scores and sales are lower.

The 360 SRWXO lol) was an updated port of SRW GC.

EDIT: Unless there is a Valkyria 2 bundle (QQ) that Value Pack Vibrant Blue is mine!!!

 

[cvxfreak]

I'd like to add every Pokemon game but that would make the chart difficult to read since only three games can be seen without having to scroll the bar. I'll replace FR/LG with DQ IX (in two weeks I guess) but I don't want to replace G/S with D/P from now because I want to see how much distance HG/SS can cover from it until the end of the year.

I actually felt guilty asking afterwards, since it's a lot of work. Sorry.

Hence, I did it myself.

 

[NeonZ]

I wonder why Banpresto even bothers with these 3d SRWs. I'm pretty sure that a SRW using mostly reused sprites from previous SRWs + a few token new animations would sell better than these 3d games (which, besides the one 360 port, had to be made from scratch graphics-wise).

 

[Chris1964]

Media Create YTD until week 43

-----------------------------
Sys |    2008   |    2009   |
-----------------------------
NDS | 2.491.509 | 2.955.792 |
PSP | 3.053.429 | 1.672.503 |
WII | 2.288.681 | 1.145.891 |
PS3 |   703.872 | 1.079.265 |
360 |   220.629 |   319.323 |
PS2 |   412.234 |   185.012 |
-----------------------------

PSP and WII (and PS2) are the big lossers comparing to last year.

 

[andymcc]

I wasn't expecting it to do gangbusters, but that the sequel is selling worse than the original is really indicative of how Nintendo has fucked the Wii in Japan™, if you ask meDragona.

i don't remember the first one doing that hot either.

 

[schuelma]

PSP and WII (and PS2) are the big lossers comparing to last year.

Wow, PSP is doing horrible, down more than Wii. No one cares I suppose?

 

[faridmon]

at Sin & Punishment 2 numbers. I blame Iwata. Come on Iwata, you can handle the Wii better than that.

Awesome sales for Bayonetta, played it at Eurogamer Expo, my favorite game there along with Brink.

 

[Linkup]

Wow, PSP is doing horrible, down more than Wii. No one cares I suppose?

They where banned.

 

[onken]

My God, the deja vu is killing me.

Can we please wait until January 2010 before discussing how much of a rut the Wii is stuck in in Japan?

Uh nobody was talking about that? Someone was saying how PS3 software would never catch up with Wii, which was just plain fail because the PS3 is actually ahead in 3rd party software sales.

 

[Yaweee]

EDIT: Nevermind, I thought you were talking about weekly sales.

 

[Regulus Tera]

i don't remember the first one doing that hot either.

Which is why this is worrisome.

 

[test_account]

20. [NDS] Dragon Quest IX: Hoshizora no Mamoribito (Square Enix) - 9,700 / 4,005,000

Congratulations to Square Enix for selling over 4 million copies of Dragon Quest IX! That is an amazing performace i must say!

EDIT: Or did Dragon Quest IX already reached 4 million copies sold with the Media Create numbers? If yes, is nice to see DQIX over 4 million with the Famitsu number as well

 

[cvxfreak]

Media Create YTD until week 43

-----------------------------
Sys |    2008   |    2009   |
-----------------------------
NDS | 2.491.509 | 2.955.792 |
PSP | 3.053.429 | 1.672.503 |
WII | 2.288.681 | 1.145.891 |
PS3 |   703.872 | 1.079.265 |
360 |   220.629 |   319.323 |
PS2 |   412.234 |   185.012 |
-----------------------------

PSP and WII (and PS2) are the big lossers comparing to last year.

Looking back, it's actually remarkable how the DS closed that huge gap in less than a month.

EDIT: It was actually more than a month.

 

[andymcc]

Which is why this is worrisome.

i'd imagine it'll do better here in the states.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

i'd imagine it'll do better here in the states.

I can't see it doing worse.
Course I'll probably be a dick and wait until a month after it comes out here to snag it for $20 or less.

 

[Takao]

Wow, PSP is doing horrible, down more than Wii. No one cares I suppose?

There wasn't much software out this year for the PSP that could really push units. The only one I felt had potential to push hardware numbers was Gran Turismo. And considering it's performance compared to past Gran Turismo titles, yeah, not so much of a handheld seller. I'm also sure it didn't help that from the beginning of the year there were mumblings about a new PSP.

Next year will be better for sure.

 

[Serenity]

Wow, PSP is doing horrible, down more than Wii. No one cares I suppose?

Data care of NPD Group
Reporting Period: 8/30/09 through 10/03/09

Wii 462.8K

The previous September it did 687K down nearly 35% yoy. But here is your respone to its sales this past month.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=18111521

Yeah very impressive Wii number.

So I think the word you are looking for when describing PsP sales is simply "impressive" minus the "very" to account for it being down %50 yoy instead of the "very impressive 40% decline yoy" for the wii.


I'm just having fun with you but bringing up the psp isn't going to stop the wii sales from being less than ideal and being a main topic of discussion, just like the failure of the ps3 compared to ps2 was the big story the past few years.

Spoiler

Besides all the psp warriors got banned

 

[andymcc]

I can't see it doing worse.
Course I'll probably be a dick and wait until a month after it comes out here to snag it for $20 or less.

i kind of feel like a dick for not importing it since i'm perfectly capable of playing japanese wii games and bought the original on day one. :lol

 

[The_lascar]

You know, I'd be interested in seeing a comparison between Diamond/Pearl and HeartGold/SoulSilver... Ruby/Sapphire too, actually.

Sorry, it's french, but:

Yellow = Gold/Silver
Blue = Diamond/Pearl
Green = Fire Red/Leaf Green

 

[Jokeropia]

For 3rd parties? Sure about that?

Contrary to popular belief, there are not millions upon millions of Wii owners who've just plain decided that they're only gonna buy games made by Nintendo. They buy the games that are made for them, and so far Nintendo have had to supply most of it themselves. Wii finally got it's first AAA third party game this year though, and lo and behold, people bought it!

So I think the word you are looking for when describing PsP sales is simply "impressive" minus the "very" to account for it being down %50 yoy instead of the "very impressive 40% decline yoy" for the wii.

I don't presume to speak for Schuelma, but 687k to 462.8k is a 32.6% drop, not a 40% drop. Furthermore, since the PSP numbers are YTD rather than just September, I should point out that Wii's YTD drop in the US is 22%. (Finally, Wii's 2009 January to September YTD in the US is still better than any January to September YTD of any home console before it, so they're more impressive on an absolute scale as well.)

 

[donny2112]

Someone was saying how PS3 software would never catch up with Wii, which was just plain fail because the PS3 is actually ahead in 3rd party software sales.

I wonder why. I guess it's just the intrinsic nature of PS3 to sell third-party software better than Wii. I mean if PS3 had gotten Dragon Quest Swords, Monster Hunter 3, and ... I'm sure it'd be doing as well in total third-party sales as it is now with RE5, SFIV, MGS4, Gundam Musou, DMC4, fully pushed Winning Elevens, real sequels to PS2 games, etc. Put RE5, SFIV, Gundam Musou, etc. on the Wii? Total bombaville. Wii just can't sell third-party software.

Thanks for pointing that out, onken!

 

[onken]

I wonder why. I guess it's just the intrinsic nature of PS3 to sell third-party software better than Wii. I mean if PS3 had gotten Dragon Quest Swords, Monster Hunter 3, and ... I'm sure it'd be doing as well in total third-party sales as it is now with RE5, SFIV, MGS4, Gundam Musou, DMC4, fully pushed Winning Elevens, real sequels to PS2 games, etc. Put RE5, SFIV, Gundam Musou, etc. on the Wii? Total bombaville. Wii just can't sell third-party software.

Thanks for pointing that out, onken!

Firstly, you sound like you're about to burst into tears and I find this very amusing (you forgot RGG, by the way). Secondly, what the fuck are you talking about? I never said Wii "can't sell" 3rd party software. Somebody made a joke:

The real question is, if the PS3 continues this upwards trend does this mean Square Enix will move DQX from the Wii to the PS3? :lol

Which was followed by:

PS3 will never catch up to Wii in either installed base or software sales, so what would be the rationale for that? If they're gonna move it anywhere, it would be to the DS.

Which was a pretty dumb thing to say since PS3 has higher 3rd party sales, which I pointed out. Though next time I'll be sure to leave glaring errors uncorrected lest you have another little tantrum at the injustice of it all.

 

[Chris1964]

Which was a pretty dumb thing to say since PS3 has higher 3rd party sales, which I pointed out. Though next time I'll be sure to leave glaring errors uncorrected lest you have another little tantrum at the injustice of it all.

Dragon Quest X is a high profile game which will have a huge advertising campaign. Monster Hunter 3 proved that when Wii gets these games, they sell and they sell well. I don't believe PS3 Monster Hunter would sell 1 million copies, let alone the difference in buddet it would have.
And since Dragon Quest X sales will be mainly from Japan the only other platform it could head would be DS or PSP.

 

[onken]

Dragon Quest X is a high profile game which will have a huge advertising campaign. Monster Hunter 3 proved that when Wii gets these games, they sell and they sell well. I don't believe PS3 Monster Hunter would sell 1 million copies, let alone the difference in buddet it would have.
And since Dragon Quest X sales will be mainly from Japan the only other platform it could head would be DS or PSP.

Yep I agree with all those points (and have never said anything to the contrary).

 

[poppabk]

Which was a pretty dumb thing to say since PS3 has higher 3rd party sales, which I pointed out. Though next time I'll be sure to leave glaring errors uncorrected lest you have another little tantrum at the injustice of it all.

Its not really that dumb as the Wii has higher sales for a single 3rd party title.

 

[onken]

Its not really that dumb as the Wii has higher sales for a single 3rd party title.

For a few months in between MGS4 and FF13? Excuse me if I don't pop the champers. In any rate, MH is currently a way bigger franchise than MGS so it's hardly a surprise.