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[Blablurn]

PS3 Go Go Go!

 

[Moor-Angol]

PS2, PSP and Wii versions of will be launched Dec. 10th in Japan this year.

i didn't know about PS2 version (gamefaqs still doesn't include the PS2 version on their release lists, i checked WE site before posting for confirmation), but a PS2, PSP and Wii release on the same day means the Wii version is sent to die...
they tried to create a different userbase with Play Maker and remote+nunchuk gameplay, but Play Maker 2010 is bundled with a Classic Controller Pro, that's a nonsense...
Konami really hates Nintendo systems

 

[king zell]

3D Dot Game Heroes in stores pics:

http://www.true-gaming.net/home/?p=5771

 

[donny2112]

(you forgot RGG, by the way)

No, I intentionally left it out, as the producer said that he'd only make the game for the HD consoles.

Which was a pretty dumb thing to say since PS3 has higher 3rd party sales, which I pointed out.

Which was a pretty dumb thing to say since he just said higher software sales.

Any discussion of PS3's "miraculous" higher third-party sales in Japan needs to be framed in the correct context of third-parties giving jack-all to the Wii in Japan. Any attempt to say that the offerings on each are comparable which would thus allow a direct comparison of the third-party sales on each needs to be shot down, since it's a total misrepresentation of the actual market.

Regardless, looking at third-party sales alone means almost nothing to a console's ability to sell software, in general.

 

[AnIco]

PS3 doing incredibly well in Japan still two months after the price cut. December PS3 sales will be gigantic. I don't see anything reversing the Wii's downward spiral, either.

NSMB:Wii will probably do what Wii Sports Resort did in Japan -- decent sales for the title itself, but not so much a system seller.

I think its usually a pretty good discussion, though I agree that people would be wise to wait a few months to see how it plays out. If in January Wii goes back to selling 20K a week like it did January 2009, then I think we can legitimately say Nintendo has a very serious and potentially fatal problem in Japan.

Uh, why do we have to wait until January to make that assessment? Iwata himself said that the Wii's situation is dire in Japan.

 

[Nirolak]

Does anyone happen to know how FF Gaiden compares to the other FF spinoff DS releases?

 

[Somnid]

Uh, why do we have to wait until January to make that assessment? Iwata himself said that the Wii's situation is dire in Japan.

There's quite a bit of a gap between "Not healthy," and "dire." Certainly post-price-drop they have been doing quite well, PS3 is just doing a little bit better.

 

[duckroll]

Does anyone happen to know how FF Gaiden compares to the other FF spinoff DS releases?

First week Famitsu comparisons:

FF3 DS - 501k
FF4 DS - 308k
FFXII RW - 289k
FFCC RoF - 206k
FFTA2 - 158k
4WoL FFG - 120k
FFCC EoT - 102k

 

[Nirolak]

First week Famitsu comparisons:

FF3 DS - 501k
FF4 DS - 308k
FFXII RW - 289k
FFCC RoF - 206k
FFTA2 - 158k
4WoL FFG - 120k
FFCC EoT - 102k

I wonder if they've actually somehow managed to run Final Fantasy DS spinoffs into the ground at this point. FFG was actually a traditional JRPG and it still didn't seem to do well at all relative to the others.

 

[duckroll]

I wonder if they've actually somehow managed to run Final Fantasy DS spinoffs into the ground at this point. FFG was actually a traditional JRPG and it still didn't seem to do well at all relative to the others.

I'm sure if they released FFV DS or FFTA3, it would sell a shitload more. There just isn't a huge mainstream demand for these "oldschool traditional throwback" RPGs. Some fans really dig it, but on a whole, the market has moved on.

 

[Nirolak]

I'm sure if they released FFV DS or FFTA3, it would sell a shitload more. There just isn't a huge mainstream demand for these "oldschool traditional throwback" RPGs. Some fans really dig it, but on a whole, the market has moved on.

Yeah, now that I think about it I can't think of any breakout hits in the throwback RPG genre this year.

The mention of FFV actually reminds me of something though. If Square Enix wants to show growth in terms of their Japanese sales next year, what exactly are planning to release? I mean, so far I've come up with a list of possibilities based on what's officially announced, and I'm not really seeing how the next fiscal year is supposed to catch this one, much less exceed it.

Fiscal 2009:
-Dragon Quest IX
-Final Fantasy XIII
-Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep
-Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days
-Star Ocean 4 PS3
-SaGa 2 Remake
-Final Fantasy Gaiden
-Final Fantasy: Crystal Bearers
-Dissidia Rerelease
-Blood of Bahamut
-Cross Treasures
-Two Sub 20K Anime Tie-ins

Fiscal 2010:
-Dragon Quest VI (assuming it's after March)
-Final Fantasy Agito XIII
-Final Fantasy XIV Online
-Parasite Eve 3
-Nier

Possibly:
-Final Fantasy Versus XIII

Ultra Longshot:
-Dragon Quest X

Do we have any theories about what they might announce (or release despite a somewhat unlikely nature) to try and keep growing, or do we think they're just going to settle for less sales in Japan next fiscal year?

 

[vicissitudes]

PS3 doing incredibly well in Japan still two months after the price cut. December PS3 sales will be gigantic. I don't see anything reversing the Wii's downward spiral, either.

NSMB:Wii will probably do what Wii Sports Resort did in Japan -- decent sales for the title itself, but not so much a system seller.




Uh, why do we have to wait until January to make that assessment? Iwata himself said that the Wii's situation is dire in Japan.

Hmm, I disagree. Wii Sports Resort is almost an expansion pack of Wii Sports. NSMB Wii is a game that hasn't been seen on the Wii yet. I don't expect it to be a Mario Kart or Wii Fit in terms of system-seller power, but it'll give the Wii a good boost. The real question is how much the holidays will affect Wii sales. Really, the holiday season boosts Wii sales like no other, even without software, so it'll be interesting to see if the Wii still sells like gangbusters in December or if it's really fucked in Japan.

 

[charlequin]

If the PSP Go! was going to replace whats currently available then you can have a point, but it will stay an offered red headed step child that will get a small handful of sales, but i fail to see how it will in any way affect the other PSP model(s) available.

No, if it was going to replace what's currently available I would have a completely different point. :lol

I'm not arguing in any way that the Go is going to ruin the broader PSP brand or anything. I'm just saying that unlike the GBM (which Nintendo probably didn't take any real losses on because they only ever made a small total number), the Go is going to continue rotting on shelves pretty much as long as Sony keeps it out there.

You don't think that the Wii being down a lot YOY and the PS3 being up YOY will change what they have done in previous Decembers? Along with a FFXIII boost?

The Wii will definitely do less than it did two years ago, but won't do less than it did last year (i.e. coming off a shitty weekly number and with a far shittier lineup.)

The PS3 will do significantly better than it has in previous Decembers, but 400k-or-even-more-better is a huge enough leap that I don't think we should call it a given until we see how things are playing out for the holiday.

I think bloke's explanation is more valuable, since it would explain why it has better legs than ADVs usually have.

So it's unusually well-written and attractively illustrated fap material for creepy weirdos?

 

[A Twisty Fluken]

So it's unusually well-written and attractively illustrated fap material for creepy weirdos?

Creeps deserve quality products too!

 

[donny2112]

Apparently, I never actually posted last week's Famitsu data. Oops.

Famitsu Oct 12-18

01./01. [NDS] Pokemon Heart Gold/Soul Silver (Nintendo/Pokemon Co.) - 151,242 / 2,671,528 (-17%)
02./02. [WII] Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo) - 112,358 / 571,262 (-20%)
03./04. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Threat of the Invaders - Fire/Blizzard (Level 5) - 72,640 / 445,924 (-4%)
04./05. [NDS] Tomodachi Collection (Friend Collection) (Nintendo) - 60,251 / 1,348,357 (-5%)
05./00. [PS3] Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (SCEI) - 55,063 / NEW
06./00. [WII] Okami (Capcom) - 25,080 / NEW
07./08. [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) - 21,359 / 1,265,802 (-11%)
08./00. [PS2] BeatMania IIDX 16: Empress + Premium Best (Konami) - 20,154 / NEW
09./06. [PSP] Gran Turismo Portable (SCEI) - 19,152 / 202,452 (-51%)
10./00. [PSP] Undead Knights (Tecmo) - 18,168 / NEW

11./00. [PSP] Fullmetal Alchemist: Senka wo Takuseshi Mono (Trust the Person in the Back) (Namco Bandai Games) - 17,239 / NEW
12./07. [NDS] Love Plus (Konami) - 16,982 / 141,303 (-34%)
13./00. [360] Steins; Gate (5pb) - 16,434 / NEW
14./10. [NDS] Dragon Quest IX: Defenders of the Starry Sky (Square Enix) - 14,744 / 3,983,800 (-25%)
15./03. [NDS] Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey (Atlus Co.) - 13,260 / 104,090 (-85%)
16./09. [PSP] Macross Ultimate Frontier (Namco Bandai Games) - 12,443 / 117,686 (-40%)
17./11. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu Portable 4 (Konami) - 9,696 / 194,168 (-23%)
18./15. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2 G (BEST) (Capcom) - 9,457 / 1,038,114 (-9%)
19./00. [PS3] UFC 2009 Undisputed (Yuke's) - 7,709 / NEW
20./00. [NDS] Kimi ni Todoke (Reaching You): Feelings Grow (Namco Bandai Games) - 7,369 / NEW
21./13. [PSP] Minna no Sukkiri (Everybody's Cleaner) (SCEI) - 6,702 / 33,712 (-37%)
22./17. [PS3] Tales of Vesperia (Namco Bandai Games) - 6,616 / 307,130 (-33%)
23./12. [PS3] Shin Sangoku Musou: Multi Raid Special (Koei) - 6,125 / 47,869 (-48%)
24./18. [PS3] Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (BEST) (Square Enix) - 5,142 / 58,186 (-9%)
25./20. [WII] Monster Hunter 3 (Capcom) - 4,986 / 924,971 (0%)
26./14. [PS3] Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 (Tecmo) - 4,939 / 54,916 (-54%)
27./16. [NDS] Blue Dragon: Ikai no Kyoujuu (Giants of the Spirit World) (Namco Bandai Games) - 4,908 / 15,187 (-52%)
28./28. [PS3] Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (BEST) (SCEI) - 4,012 / 21,688 (+28%)
29./25. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) - 3,779 / 2,343,877 (-3%)
30./22. [PSP] Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's Tag Force 4 (Konami) - 3,451 / 81,142 (-25%)

*. [PS3] NBA 2K10 (Spike) - 3,300 / NEW
*. [NDS] Shounen Sunday x Shounen Magazine: White Comic (Konami) - 3,000 / NEW
*. [PS2] Slotter UP Mania 11: 2027 vs. 2027 II (Dorart) - 2,100 / NEW
*. [360] UFC 2009 Undisputed (Yuke's) - 1,304 / NEW
*. [PSP] NBA 2K10 (Spike) - 990 / NEW
*. [360] NBA 2K10 (Spike) - 650 / NEW


Bar Chart Oct 12-18 (thanks to JoshuaJSlone/garaph.info)

Note: Image may be delayed from the time of this post, but will automatically show once the data is ready.


Recent Famitsu Top 30s

Sep 14-20, 2009
Sep 21-27, 2009
Sep 28-Oct 4, 2009
Oct 5-11, 2009

 

[duckroll]

Do we have any theories about what they might announce (or release despite a somewhat unlikely nature) to try and keep growing, or do we think they're just going to settle for less sales in Japan next fiscal year?

Final Fantasy XIII in US and Europe should easily even things out. S-E isn't a one market company.

 

[donny2112]

Famitsu Oct 19-25

01./01. [NDS] Pokemon Heart Gold/Soul Silver (Nintendo/Pokemon Co.) - 99,701 / 2,771,229 (-34%)
02./02. [WII] Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo) - 88,642 / 659,904 (-21%)
03./04. [NDS] Tomodachi Collection (Friend Collection) (Nintendo) - 51,908 / 1,400,265 (-14%)
04./03. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Threat of the Invaders - Fire/Blizzard (Level 5) - 49,411 / 495,335 (-32%)
05./00. [NDS] Rune Factory 3 (Marvelous) - 44,894 / NEW
06./00. [360] Forza Motorsport 3 (Microsoft Game Studios) - 29,563 / NEW
07./00. [PS3] FIFA 10: World Class Soccer (Electronic Arts Victor) - 24,284 / NEW
08./00. [PSP] Shin Sangoku Musou 5 Special (Koei) - 23,059 / NEW
09./07. [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) - 18,108 / 1,283,910 (-15%)
10./05. [PS3] Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (SCEI) - 17,864 / 72,927 (-68%)

11./09. [PSP] Gran Turismo Portable (SCEI) - 12,113 / 214,565 (-37%)
12./14. [NDS] Dragon Quest IX: Defenders of the Starry Sky (Square Enix) - 11,566 / 3,995,366 (-22%)
13./18. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2 G (BEST) (Capcom) - 8,888 / 1,047,002 (-6%)
14./00. [PSP] Harukanaru Toki no Naka de 3: Unmei no Meikyuu Aizouban (Maze of Destiny) (Koei) - 8,459 / NEW
15./16. [PSP] Macross Ultimate Frontier (Namco Bandai Games) - 8,294 / 125,980 (-33%)
16./10. [PSP] Undead Knights (Tecmo) - 8,030 / 26,198 (-56%)
17./17. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu Portable 4 (Konami) - 7,266 / 201,434 (-25%)
18./00. [360] FIFA 10: World Class Soccer (Electronic Arts Victor) - 6,828 / NEW
19./00. [PSP] Antiphona no Seikahime: Tenshi no Gakufu Op.A (Princess Antiphona's Hymn: Angel's Score Op. A) (Nippon Ichi Software) - 5,738 / NEW
20./11. [PSP] Fullmetal Alchemist: Senka wo Takuseshi Mono (Trust the Person in the Back) (Namco Bandai Games) - 5,720 / 22,959 (-67%)
21./15. [NDS] Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey (Atlus Co.) - 5,325 / 109,415 (-60%)
22./06. [WII] Okami (Capcom) - 4,999 / 30,079 (-80%)
23./22. [PS3] Tales of Vesperia (Namco Bandai Games) - 4,998 / 312,128 (-24%)
24./25. [WII] Monster Hunter 3 (Capcom) - 4,845 / 929,816 (-3%)
25./24. [PS3] Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (BEST) (Square Enix) - 4,627 / 62,813 (-10%)
26./21. [PSP] Minna no Sukkiri (Everybody's Cleaner) (SCEI) - 4,526 / 38,238 (-32%)
27./12. [NDS] Love Plus (Konami) - 4,475 / 145,778 (-74%)
28./13. [360] Steins; Gate (5pb) - 4,253 / 20,687 (-74%)
29./00. [NDS] Element Hunter (Namco Bandai Games) - 4,205 / NEW
30./28. [PS3] Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (BEST) (SCEI) - 4,139 / 25,827 (+3%)

*. [NDS] Kurayami no Hate de Kimi wo Matsu (Waiting for You at the Edge of Darkness) (D3 Publisher) - 3,700 / NEW
*. [PSP] FIFA 10: World Class Soccer (Electronic Arts Victor) - 3,200 / NEW
*. [PS2] FIFA 10: World Class Soccer (Electronic Arts Victor) - 1,900 / NEW
*. [NDS] Grand Trucker Aniki: Shigoto to Kenka to Koimoyou (Genterprise) - 1,400 / NEW


Bar Chart Oct 19-25 (thanks to JoshuaJSlone/garaph.info)

Note: Image may be delayed from the time of this post, but will automatically show once the data is ready.


Recent Famitsu Top 30s

Sep 21-27, 2009
Sep 28-Oct 4, 2009
Oct 5-11, 2009
Oct 12-18, 2009

 

[Nirolak]

Final Fantasy XIII in US and Europe should easily even things out. S-E isn't a one market company.

Oh I agree. Plus some of Eidos' games might sell quite well next year, considering the Tomb Raider reboot looks pretty promising and Hitman seems like it might still be a versatile franchise.

I just wasn't sure if they had ever projected growth in Japan next year like Capcom had. If they haven't, then yeah there's no issue.

 

[duckroll]

Oh I agree. Plus some of Eidos' games might sell quite well next year, considering the Tomb Raider reboot looks pretty promising and Hitman seems like it might still be a versatile franchise.

I just wasn't sure if they had ever projected growth in Japan next year like Capcom had. If they haven't, then yeah there's no issue.

The only things Wada has been known to accurately "project" are lies and misdirection anyway. :lol

 

[AranhaHunter]

The real question is, if the PS3 continues this upwards trend does this mean Square Enix will move DQX from the Wii to the PS3? :lol Game won't be out for another 4 years anyway, no matter what SE says about the release date!

I think the smartest move for SE, if development has not already started, would be to move DQX to DS, if development has started, then the smart move would be to simultaneously release DQX on Wii and PSP. They could always try to do a Basara 3 and release it on Wii and PS3, would be interesting to see sales on each platform to say the least.

Dragon Quest X is a high profile game which will have a huge advertising campaign. Monster Hunter 3 proved that when Wii gets these games, they sell and they sell well. I don't believe PS3 Monster Hunter would sell 1 million copies, let alone the difference in buddet it would have.
And since Dragon Quest X sales will be mainly from Japan the only other platform it could head would be DS or PSP.

I disagree, I think MH3 could definitely sell 1 million copies on PS3 if it had the same type of advertising campaign, bundles etc that it had with the Wii, maybe it could even do a bit more if it was released with MHP3 on PSP and had some type of connectivity, monster transfer or what have you. I agree that it definitely would've been higher budget and Capcom profits probably smaller.

 

[Y2Kev]

I can't believe I actually won :lol

 

[cvxfreak]

22./06. [WII] Okami (Capcom) - 4,999 / 30,079 (-80%)

If only I bought a copy!

 

[onken]

If only I bought a copy!

lol

No, I intentionally left it out, as the producer said that he'd only make the game for the HD consoles.



Which was a pretty dumb thing to say since he just said higher software sales.

Any discussion of PS3's "miraculous" higher third-party sales in Japan needs to be framed in the correct context of third-parties giving jack-all to the Wii in Japan. Any attempt to say that the offerings on each are comparable which would thus allow a direct comparison of the third-party sales on each needs to be shot down, since it's a total misrepresentation of the actual market.

Regardless, looking at third-party sales alone means almost nothing to a console's ability to sell software, in general.

You need to learn some reading comprehension. All I did was argue the claim that the PS3 could never "catch up" in software sales, in reference to a 3rd party game. Which of course it doesn't need to because it's already ahead. Why this is the case or how fair it is or which would be higher if it had game X is totally irrelevant and I didn't even touch on these subjects.

 

[nib95]

Surprised the PS3 is still doing so well. Probably means it's going to destroy December.

 

[Jokeropia]

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[Jokeropia]

You need to learn some reading comprehension. All I did was argue the claim that the PS3 could never "catch up" in software sales, in reference to a 3rd party game.

How ironic.

When determining how big an audience for a specific third party game is (DQX in this case), you cannot just look at the total third party software sales for the system in question. To spell it out, PS3 will never have a bigger audience for DQX than Wii because PS3 will never catch up to Wii in either installed base or software sales.

 

[Nirolak]

How ironic.

When determining how big an audience for a specific third party game is (DQX in this case), you cannot just look at the total third party software sales for the system in question. To spell it out, PS3 will never have a bigger audience for DQX than Wii because PS3 will never catch up to Wii in either installed base or software sales.

Actually, you're also committing a fallacy.

You don't look at the third party sales or the total sales on a system, you look at the number of people who actually want to buy a Dragon Quest game who own the system. This is actually fairly researchable for Square Enix as Dragon Quest is such a known franchise that they can do some statistically sound surveys to see which platform the game is mostly likely to sell on.

Of course, the market research would probably tell them they should put it on the DS, but if I had to guess, the Wii probably does have the larger audience for Dragon Quest is we limit ourselves to home consoles. I don't have the research to shown that though.

 

[poppabk]

Actually, you're also committing a fallacy.

You don't look at the third party sales or the total sales on a system, you look at the number of people who actually want to buy a Dragon Quest game who own the system. This is actually fairly researchable for Square Enix as Dragon Quest is such a known franchise that they can do some statistically sound surveys to see which platform the game is mostly likely to sell on.

Of course, the market research would probably tell them they should put it on the DS, but if I had to guess, the Wii probably does have the larger audience for Dragon Quest is we limit ourselves to home consoles. I don't have the research to shown that though.

The fact that Dragon Quest:Swords is one of the best selling 3rd party games in Japan would support you somewhat.

 

[Jokeropia]

You don't look at the third party sales or the total sales on a system, you look at the number of people who actually want to buy a Dragon Quest game who own the system.

We don't have access to any such studies so we'll have to settle for what we know. Based on what we know, there is no reason to assume that PS3 with a 5 million smaller installed base and 21 million less software sales provides a larger audience for DQX than Wii.

 

[onken]

We don't have access to any such studies so we'll have to settle for what we know. Based on what we know, there is no reason to assume that PS3 with a 5 million smaller installed base and 21 million less software sales provides a larger audience for DQX than Wii.

We know MGS4 sold 600k to 2m PS3s. We know MH3 sold 900k to 8m Wiis. We know MH is currently a much bigger franchise than MGS. You are erroneously equating audience with install base.

 

[donny2112]

We know MGS4 sold 600k to 2m PS3s. We know MH3 sold 900k to 8m Wiis.

So we have MGS which has sold approximately the same amount with every release regardless of console userbase compared to a series that has taken off due to local multi-player on a portable system being continued on a home console and selling more than any previous home console release, but less than where it grew to be big due to intrinsic portable advantages for local multiplayer.

We know MH is currently a much bigger franchise than MGS.

On PSP. It wasn't on PS2.

You are erroneously equating audience with install base.

Do you think that Dragon Quest (i.e. "the game of the people") would find more of its audience on PS3 or on Wii in Japan?

 

[thestopsign]

We know MGS4 sold 600k to 2m PS3s. We know MH3 sold 900k to 8m Wiis. We know MH is currently a much bigger franchise than MGS. You are erroneously equating audience with install base.

We also know that the Monster Hunter franchise is at its strongest when it's on a portable console, not a home console. You're using a way of comparison that is often used by people to rejigger numbers in a favorable way towards the console with a smaller userbase. A larger install base does not necessarily mean that the software ratio for each console is going to be proportionate.

I believe donny has gone into why this method of comparison is inadequate at best with greater depth at one point in these Media Create threads. So if he wants to pitch in on the matter then I'm sure he's better qualified than me.

Edit: I see that donny just beat me.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

Christ on a fucking stick. If DQX is moved anywhere from the Wii (which I think there is a good sized chance), it will be BACK TO THE DS, WHERE IT SOLD OVER FOUR MILLION COPIES ON ITS FIRST SKU.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

 

[Shiggy]

Edit: Shouldn't read only half of the post...

 

[A Twisty Fluken]

Christ on a fucking stick. If DQX is moved anywhere from the Wii (which I think there is a good sized chance), it will be BACK TO THE DS, WHERE IT SOLD OVER FOUR MILLION COPIES ON ITS FIRST SKU.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Random realization. With FF XIII in December, will PS3 become the system to get a million seller longest after launch? Usually if a system hasn't by three years, it's just not going to happen at all.

 

[donny2112]

(which I think there is a good sized chance)

It's got 2-3 years more time for development, but if Nintendo can't turn the Wii around in Japan, I can easily see it going back to the DS. I wonder how much of a difference Nintendo's efforts to push DQIX and DQX in the West will make on Enix's platform choice (between WII or DS/DS2)? I'd have to guess very little, but I don't know what others would think.

Random realization. With FF XIII in December, will PS3 become the system to get a million seller longest after launch? Usually if a system hasn't by three years, it's just not going to happen at all.

When's the last time a guaranteed million-seller waited three years to come out on a platform? Long development times is what led to this situation.

 

[onken]

So we have MGS which has sold approximately the same amount with every release regardless of console userbase compared to a series that has taken off due to local multi-player on a portable system being continued on a home console and selling more than any previous home console release, but less than where it grew to be big due to intrinsic portable advantages for local multiplayer.

On PSP. It wasn't on PS2.

So it becomes big due to local multiplayer, then when the next instalment that also has local multiplayer comes out, it falls back to around where it was? That's some awesome logic right there.

MH3 should have sold better, end of story and I don't think I'm alone in thinking that. Do you not remember Capcom with their first 1m shipment right out the gate (which hasn't even sold yet, 3 months later)? The amount of people on this very forum cooing how easily it would reach 1m? You would have been flayed alive in here if you dared to suggest at the time that FF13 was going to reach 1m before MH3, and yet here we are.

Do you or do you not think that Dragon Quest (i.e. "the game of the people") would find more of its audience on Wii than on PS3 in Japan?

There's nothing to really suggest that it will sell better on Wii. Are motion controls intrinsic to the game? No. Is it published by Nintendo? No. All you've got to go on is an under-performing MH game and your "game of the people" theory.

Face it, you don't know and a little appreciation of that fact every now and then wouldn't go a miss. I find it hilarious that sales-age is a hobby based completely, 100% on educated guesswork, yet people continue to claim "definitely" this and "definitely" that, are quite often wrong and then simply pretend like nothing happened and carry on as usual.

Christ on a fucking stick. If DQX is moved anywhere from the Wii (which I think there is a good sized chance), it will be BACK TO THE DS, WHERE IT SOLD OVER FOUR MILLION COPIES ON ITS FIRST SKU.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

lol I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting it's going anywhere, It just seems strange why people are so utterly convinced that it could never ever ever do similar numbers on PS3 when there's really not much evidence to suggest that.

 

[schuelma]

So it becomes big due to local multiplayer, then when the next instalment that also has local multiplayer comes out, it falls back to around where it was? That's some awesome logic right there.

MH3 should have sold better, end of story and I don't think I'm alone in thinking that. Do you not remember Capcom with their first 1m shipment right out the gate (which hasn't even sold yet, 3 months later)? The amount of people on this very forum cooing how easily it would reach 1m? You would have been flayed alive in here if you dared to suggest at the time that FF13 was going to reach 1m before MH3, and yet here we are.
.

Oh bullshit.

First of all, please tell me you see the difference between PSP's local multiplayer and the Wii's. Please.

Second, people only "cooed" about Tri reaching 1 million easily after it became clear Capcom had shipped that much and it was clear that expectations were higher.

Two years ago when MH Tri was unveiled for the Wii, there was basically no one saying it would reach a million copies sold. I think the general best case scenario was that it might outdo the PS2 version, but that was it.

Do not confuse the high expectations that came up this July with the previous realistic expectations the title had for most of its development.

MH Tri selling 930K and counting, shipping 1.1 million, and in Capcom's own words doing better with online subs than they thought is a success, period, and you have not presented one bit of evidence that it would sell better on the PS3.

 

[TheRagnCajun]

I actually think that FFXIII will do a pretty good job of illustrating what the demographic is like for the PS3 and how a DQ game would perform. That said, even if every owner bought a copy it wouldn't compare to what it would sell on DS.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

lol I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting it's going anywhere, It just seems strange why people are so utterly convinced that it could never ever ever do similar numbers on PS3 when there's really not much evidence to suggest that.

I can't believe I'm actually going to give you a serious response but:

FFXIII is being forecast to sell over 30% less than historical FF games thanks to the PS3.

 

[markatisu]

First off

24./25. [WII] Monster Hunter 3 (Capcom) - 4,845 / 929,816 (-3%)

Keep on trucking MH3! I think 2-4k is its level for the time being

Two years ago when MH Tri was unveiled for the Wii, there was basically no one saying it would reach a million copies sold. I think the general best case scenario was that it might outdo the PS2 version, but that was it.

Do not confuse the high expectations that came up this July with the previous realistic expectations the title had for most of its development.

MH Tri selling 930K and counting, shipping 1.1 million, and in Capcom's own words doing better with online subs than they thought is a success, period, and you have not presented one bit of evidence that it would sell better on the PS3.

You are 100% correct, not even 2-3 months before it came out MC gaffers were debating whether 700k was a possibility based on MHG 200k+ sales and 800-900k would be amazing

 

[danielijohnson]

I'm sure if they released FFV DS or FFTA3, it would sell a shitload more. There just isn't a huge mainstream demand for these "oldschool traditional throwback" RPGs. Some fans really dig it, but on a whole, the market has moved on.

Yeah. At least it did better than Echoes in Time.

 

[donny2112]

You would have been flayed alive in here if you dared to suggest at the time that FF13 was going to reach 1m before MH3,

I wasn't flayed.

There's nothing to really suggest that it will sell better on Wii.

Just wanted to make sure that was what you were saying. We obviously disagree.

 

[markatisu]

You would have been flayed alive in here if you dared to suggest at the time that FF13 was going to reach 1m before MH3, and yet here we are.

You think you would have been attacked for suggesting a highly anticipated home console FF game would get to 1m faster than a home console version of a MH game??

The home console version before MH3 never got near 800k LTD while the home console version of FF would be considered a super bomb to not debut near that number

 

[wrowa]

I disagree, I think MH3 could definitely sell 1 million copies on PS3 if it had the same type of advertising campaign, bundles etc that it had with the Wii, maybe it could even do a bit more if it was released with MHP3 on PSP and had some type of connectivity, monster transfer or what have you. I agree that it definitely would've been higher budget and Capcom profits probably smaller.

What? No. To the contrary. If Capcom would've done that they would have sent the console version MH3 to die, nothing else.

 

[Grampasso]

When's the last time a guaranteed million-seller waited three years to come out on a platform? Long development times is what led to this situation.

You're right, but tbh I thought some other title would manage to reach 1M sales in all these years, it's a Sony console and it retained nearly every franchise from its predecessor

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I'm sure if they released FFV DS or FFTA3, it would sell a shitload more. There just isn't a huge mainstream demand for these "oldschool traditional throwback" RPGs. Some fans really dig it, but on a whole, the market has moved on.

It seems strange to me that this is the case in a land where the by-far biggest successes of the genre continue to be very much the series they were when they began 10+ (Pokémon) and 20+ (Dragon Quest) years ago. But clearly things don't seem to be panning out for 4WOL. Perhaps it is that they've got enough legitimately steeped-in-history series that there's not room for a faux-retro game that's not actually a continuation?

 

[AranhaHunter]

MH Tri selling 930K and counting, shipping 1.1 million, and in Capcom's own words doing better with online subs than they thought is a success, period, and you have not presented one bit of evidence that it would sell better on the PS3.

There's no such evidence, I don't think you can find evidence for something that never happened, at best we can guesstimate and make some educated guesses. I don't think anyone is denying that MH3 is a success, whether or not that same amount of success and sales could've been reached on PS3 is debatable.

I can't believe I'm actually going to give you a serious response but:

FFXIII is being forecast to sell over 30% less than historical FF games thanks to the PS3.

They also expect a new mainline Tales game to sell less on Wii than a year old Tales port on PS3 as well as expecting Samurai Warriors 3 to sell significantly worse than its previous iterations.

 

[Jokeropia]

We know MGS4 sold 600k to 2m PS3s. We know MH3 sold 900k to 8m Wiis. We know MH is currently a much bigger franchise than MGS. You are erroneously equating audience with install base.

:lol

Individual game sales never scale linearly with installed base, only people clueless about sales ever make that argument. Monster Hunter 2 sold less than 600k to 20m PS2s.

There's nothing to really suggest that it will sell better on Wii.

Much bigger userbase of people who also buy more games on average than the PS3 userbase. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that this userbase is somehow averse to Dragon Quest.

(And no, the two statements above do not contradict each other. Bigger installed base is better for total sales but worse for attach rate for any individual title.)