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[GrotesqueBeauty]

As an aside S&P2 likely could have bombed just as badly on the 360. It's an extremely niche genre(I think in the past decade there have been less than 10 similar games..probably less than 5 even). I remember Xbox owners doing a hell of a job supporting PD Orta.

I can only hope Sin and Punishment 2 is half as awesome as Orta. I would kill for a new Panzer Dragoon with IR controls. Hell, I'd kill for a new Panzer Dragoon period.

Yeah increasing development costs would have been a great idea.

And pitting it directly against Bayonetta.

 

[Road]

The full Famitsu leak is out: http://hokanko3.blog13.fc2.com/

Strange Journey sold 5.3k, and Famitsu has the LTD at 109k so it was probably never restocked. Lol.

Famitsu leak Oct. 19-25:

01. [NDS] Pokemon Heart Gold / Soul Silver (Pokemon) - 100,000 / 2,771,000
02. [WII] Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo) - 89,000 / 660,000
03. [NDS] Tomodachi Collection (Nintendo) - 52,000 / 1,400,000
04. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Kyoui no Shinryakusha - Fire / Blizzard (Level 5) - 49,000 / 495,000
05. [NDS] Rune Factory 3 (Marvelous Entertainment) - 45,000 / NEW
06. [360] Forza Motorsport 3 (Microsoft) - 30,000 / NEW
07. [PS3] FIFA 10 (Electronic Arts) - 24,000 / NEW
08. [PSP] Shin Sangoku Musou 5 Special (Koei) - 23,000 / NEW
09. [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) - 18,000 / 1,284,000
10. [PS3] Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (SCE) - 18,000 / 73,000

11. [PSP] Gran Turismo (SCE) - 12,000 / 215,000
12. [NDS] Dragon Quest IX: Hoshizora no Mamoribito (Square Enix) - 12,000 / 3,995,000
13. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (BEST) (Capcom) - 8,900 / 1,047,000
14. [PSP] Harukanaru Toki no Naka de 3: Unmei no Meikyuu Aizouban (Koei) - 8,500 / NEW
15. [PSP] Macross: Ultimate Frontier (Bandai Namco Games) - 8,300 / 126,000
16. [PSP] Undead Knights (Tecmo) - 8,000 / 26,000
17. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball Portable 4 (Konami) - 7,300 / 201,000
18. [360] FIFA 10 (Electronic Arts) - 6,800 / NEW
19. [PSP] Antiphona no Seikahime: Tenshi no Gakufu Op.A (Nippon Ichi Software) - 5,700 / NEW
20.
21. [NDS] Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey (Atlus) - 5,300 / 109,000
22. [WII] Okami (Capcom) - 5,000 / 30,000
23. [PS3] Tales of Vesperia (Bandai Namco Games) - 5,000 / 312,000
24. [WII] Monster Hunter 3 (Capcom) - 4,800 / 930,000
25. [PS3] Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PLATINUM) (Square Enix) - 4,600 / 63,000
26. [PSP] Minna no Sukkiri (SCE) - 4,500 / 38,000
27. [NDS] Love Plus (Konami) - 4,500 / 146,000
28. [360] Steins;Gate (5pb.) - 4,300 / 21,000
29. [NDS] Element Hunter (Bandai Namco Games) - 4,200 / NEW
30. [PS3] Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (BEST) (SCE) - 4,100 / 26,000

Outside top 30:

00. [NDS] Kurayami no Hate de Kimi wo Matsu (D3 Publisher) - 3,700 / NEW
00. [PSP] FIFA 10 (Electronic Arts) - 3,200 / NEW
00. [PS2] FIFA 10 (Electronic Arts) - 1,900 / NEW
00. [NDS] Grand Trucker Aniki: Shigoto to Kenka to Koimoyou (Generprise) - 1,400 / NEW


Hardware:

DSL　 3,700
DSi　44,000
PSP　40,000
PS3　31,000
Wii　25,000
360　 2,800
PS2　 2,600

 

[GhostSeed]

First Day Figures + Sell-Through

[WII] Sin and Punishment 2 (Nintendo) - 5,600 (29%)

I knew this game would bomb but it's still depressing to see it actually happen.

 

[onken]

Famitsu leak Oct. 19-25:

Hardware:

DSL　 3,700
DSi　44,000
PSP　40,000
PS3　31,000
Wii　25,000
360　 2,800
PS2　 2,600

Wow PS3 went up 4k on Famitsu.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Now hopefully we'll get a comparison between all our predictions vs the first day figures to see who's totally off so far. I'm pretty confident of most of my predictions look good!

I didn't find a solution to the long names so here goes in a 5-letter-max nickname form

10/26-11/1  	Day 1  	Kuro  	Chris  	Road  	schue  	jj984  	Orgen  	Gramp  	botti  	duck  	Y2Kev  	onken  	V_Arn  	Spieg  	kiruy  	batbe  	charl  	Adven  	DashK  	Kawor  	Hamme  	THECa  	
PS3 Bayo 	93000 	125000 	110000 	120000 	135000 	115000 	127000 	132000 	125000 	140000 	140000 	120000 	95000 	145000 	90000 	135000 	140000 	170000 	130000 	163000 	135000 	125000 	
360 Bayo 	45000 	50000 	50000 	50000 	40000 	50000 	46000 	50000 	45000 	58000 	55000 	25000 	70000 	45000 	65000 	65000 	40000 	45000 	38000 	42000 	35000 	30000 	
PS3 Tek 	79000 	105000 	100000 	120000 	115000 	150000 	98000 	95000 	110000 	150000 	120000 	130000 	110000 	160000 	100000 	120000 	100000 	150000 	168000 	151000 	145000 	92000 	
360 Tek 	22000 	30000 	40000 	50000 	25000 	45000 	46000 	43000 	35000 	40000 	38000 	60000 	50000 	45000 	20000 	40000 	30000 	60000 	44000 	56000 	45000 	27000 	
PSP P3P 	0 	125000 	120000 	100000 	115000 	110000 	87000 	78000 	120000 	90000 	80000 	130000 	70000 	120000 	110000 	120000 	80000 	130000 	115000 	103000 	85000 	0 	
DS 4WoL 	85000 	105000 	140000 	100000 	90000 	140000 	158000 	170000 	120000 	110000 	120000 	140000 	150000 	120000 	90000 	160000 	120000 	165000 	185000 	117000 	105000 	106000 	

Difference 	0 	216000 	236000 	216000 	206000 	286000 	238000 	244000 	231000 	264000 	229000 	321000 	221000 	311000 	161000 	316000 	196000 	396000 	370000 	314000 	246000 	86000 	

PS3 Bayo 	0 	32000 	17000 	27000 	42000 	22000 	34000 	39000 	32000 	47000 	47000 	27000 	2000 	52000 	-3000 	42000 	47000 	77000 	37000 	70000 	42000 	32000 	
360 Bayo 	0 	5000 	5000 	5000 	-5000 	5000 	1000 	5000 	0 	13000 	10000 	-20000 	25000 	0 	20000 	20000 	-5000 	0 	-7000 	-3000 	-10000 	-15000 	
PS3 Tek 	0 	26000 	21000 	41000 	36000 	71000 	19000 	16000 	31000 	71000 	41000 	51000 	31000 	81000 	21000 	41000 	21000 	71000 	89000 	72000 	66000 	13000 	
360 Tek 	0 	8000 	18000 	28000 	3000 	23000 	24000 	21000 	13000 	18000 	16000 	38000 	28000 	23000 	-2000 	18000 	8000 	38000 	22000 	34000 	23000 	5000 	
PSP P3P 	0 	125000 	120000 	100000 	115000 	110000 	87000 	78000 	120000 	90000 	80000 	130000 	70000 	120000 	110000 	120000 	80000 	130000 	115000 	103000 	85000 	0 	
DS 4WoL 	0 	20000 	55000 	15000 	5000 	55000 	73000 	85000 	35000 	25000 	35000 	55000 	65000 	35000 	5000 	75000 	35000 	80000 	100000 	32000 	20000 	21000

Any negative number on the second batch is uh-oh. 0 and close to zero too.

 

[spidye]

Good contribution.

:lol this coming from you means a lot to me.

 

[onipex]

Hardware:

DSL　 3,700
DSi　44,000
PSP　40,000
PS3　31,000
Wii　25,000
360　 2,800
PS2　 2,600

PS3 up a little and Wii down. Looks like Nintendo should have released a slim model as well.

 

[duckroll]

I didn't find a solution to the long names so here goes in a 5-letter-max nickname form

That's really awesome, thanks. Can't wait for the final numbers next week, but I think I overshot a little too much on Tekken 6 for PS3. The rest of the numbers are still looking good though!

Edit: Looks like a TON of people got burned hard by the power of Bayonetta 360! :lol

 

[Raggy]

PS3 comparisons: After 154 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 56.8 weeks (March 30, 2001), where PSP was at 84.7 weeks (July 21, 2006), where GCN was at 176.5 weeks (January 26, 2005), and where Wii was at 47.9 weeks (October 28, 2007).

A little fun fact;

Based on your numbers

PS3 comparisons: After 150 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 54.0 weeks (March 11, 2001), where PSP was at 80.2 weeks (June 20, 2006), where GCN was at 170.8 weeks (December 17, 2004), and where Wii was at 42.7 weeks (September 21, 2007).
PS3 comparisons: After 151 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 55.1 weeks (March 19, 2001), where PSP was at 82.1 weeks (July 3, 2006), where GCN was at 172.1 weeks (December 27, 2004), and where Wii was at 44.8 weeks (October 5, 2007).
PS3 comparisons: After 152 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 55.7 weeks (March 23, 2001), where PSP was at 83.3 weeks (July 11, 2006), where GCN was at 172.8 weeks (December 27, 2004), and where Wii was at 46.3 weeks (October 16, 2007).
PS3 comparisons: After 153 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 56.3 weeks (March 27, 2001), where PSP was at 84.0 weeks (July 16, 2006), where GCN was at 173.6 weeks (January 6, 2005), and where Wii was at 47.2 weeks (October 22, 2007).
PS3 comparisons: After 154 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 56.8 weeks (March 30, 2001), where PSP was at 84.7 weeks (July 21, 2006), where GCN was at 176.5 weeks (January 26, 2005), and where Wii was at 47.9 weeks (October 28, 2007).

Shows that

PS3	PS2		PSP		GCN	
150	54		80,2		170,8	
151	55,1		82,1		172,1	
152	55,7		83,3		172,8	
153	56,3		84		173,6	
154	56,8	2,80	84,7	4,50	176,5	5,70

Its steadily loosing to PS2, and gaining a bit on PSP/GCN.

 

[V_Arnold]

I didn't find a solution to the long names so here goes in a 5-letter-max nickname form

Awesome!
My two biggest errors was giving too much for Bayonetta's 360 numbers, and of course the faith in an FF spinoff...

 

[AdventureRacing]

Any negative number on the second batch is uh-oh. 0 and close to zero too.

Oh shit i think i am in last right now:lol . I think my guesses will look a little less embarrassing when the full week numbers come out.

 

[Road]

Dengeki sales: Oct 19-25

01./01. [WII] Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo) - 91,842 / 706,187
02./02. [NDS] Pokemon Soul Silver (Pokemon) - 58,016 / 1,394,788
03./04. [NDS] Tomodachi Collection (Nintendo) - 49,705 / 1,462,206
04./03. [NDS] Pokemon Heart Gold (Pokemon) - 45,005 / 1,347,494
05./00. [NDS] Rune Factory 3 (Marvelous Entertainment) - 38,382 / NEW
06./06. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Kyoui no Shinryakusha - Fire (Level 5) - 25,258 / 244,268
07./07. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Kyoui no Shinryakusha - Blizzard (Level 5) - 24,684 / 261,469
08./05. [PS3] Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (SCE) - 21,113 / 69,106
09./00. [360] Forza Motorsport 3 (Microsoft) - 20,314 / NEW
10./10. [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) - 19,888 / 1,308,266

11./00. [PS3] FIFA 10 (Electronic Arts) - 19,378 / NEW
12./00. [PSP] Shin Sangoku Musou 5 Special (Koei) - 18,578 /NEW
13./09. [PSP] Gran Turismo (SCE) - 14,350 / 220,152
14./16. [NDS] Dragon Quest IX: Hoshizora no Mamoribito (Square Enix) - 11,888 / 4,013,310
15./08. [NDS] Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey (Atlus) - 10,006 / 118,274
16./13. [NDS] Love Plus (Konami) - 9,080 / ?
17./12. [PSP] Undead Knights (Tecmo) - 9,078 / 27,303
18./19. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (BEST) (Capcom) - 8,888 / 1,016,270
19./17. [PSP] Macross Ultimate Frontier (Bandai Namco Games) - 8,633 / 113,517
20./18. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakkyuu Portable 4 (Konami) - 8,628 / 216,391

Hardware |  This Week |  Last Week |    YTD     |    LTD
------------------------------------------------------------
NDS      |     49,309 |     49,999 |  2,962,812 | 27,940,903
PSP      |     31,623 |     34,374 |  1,678,632 | 12,827,950
Wii      |     27,661 |     28,361 |  1,158,386 |  8,742,429
PS3      |     30,476 |     29,966 |  1,079,871 |  3,782,014
X360     |      3,946 |      3,195 |    304,777 |  1,155,960
PS2      |      1,939 |      2,274 |            |
------------------------------------------------------------   
Total    |    148,169 |    157,846 |

Market analysis for Apr-Sep 2009:
- Top 10 publishers accounted for approximately 85% of the market.
-- 1. Square-Enix - 19.8% (7.0% in 2008)
-- 2. Nintendo - 17.8% (26.7% in 2008)

 

[Majmun]

Ps3 still outsellig the Wii?
I'm sure the Wii will outsell the Ps3 next week!
And if not next week, next next week for sure!

 

[Laguna]

Ps3 still outsellig the Wii?
I'm sure the Wii will outsell the Ps3 next week!
And if not next week, next next week for sure!

funny, but you aren´t the first doing this in this thread.

 

[AceBandage]

Ps3 still outsellig the Wii?
I'm sure the Wii will outsell the Ps3 next week!
And if not next week, next next week for sure!

Hmmm, didn't we go through the same thing when the PSP outsold the DSL for a few weeks?

 

[Majmun]

Yeah, history always repeats itself.

See my last post for more information.

 

[wrowa]

[WII] Sin and Punishment 2 (Nintendo) - 5,600 (29%)

That's sadly exactly what I expected. What a shame.

 

[MechaX]

That's sadly exactly what I expected. What a shame.

Assume it still gets released outside of Japan, perhaps it'll pull a No More Heroes.

Of course, that's just naivety at this point.

 

[Rolf NB]

PS3 up a little and Wii down. Looks like Nintendo should have released a slim model as well.

Can't get much smaller. Minimum width and depth are dictated by the 5.25" disc format, and height is pretty low already. They'd basically have to remove the Gamecube controller ports to reduce height any further, but there's really no need. It's tiny as it is.

 

[Sadist]

Why is everyone stressing out about S&P2? They showed it during E3, me thinks everyone should calm down.

Spoiler

On the other hand, I'm European ofcourse. NoE will release this one for sure

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Can't get much smaller. Minimum width and depth are dictated by the 5.25" disc format, and height is pretty low already. They'd basically have to remove the Gamecube controller ports to reduce height any further, but there's really no need. It's tiny as it is.

It's still something like 2/3 larger than the current model PS2; they haven't hit some theoretical limit yet if they care to go for it.

 

[duckroll]

It's still something like 2/3 larger than the current model PS2; they haven't hit some theoretical limit yet if they care to go for it.

I think the PSOne is still the smallest disc based console out right now.

 

[Chris1964]

A little late, but better late than never.

31. [WII] Monster Hunter 3 (Capcom)
32. [NDS] Kurayami no Hate de Kimi o Matsu (D3 Publisher)
33. [NDS] Element Hunter (Namco Bandai)
34. [NDS] Reaching You: Feelings Grow (Namco Bandai)
35. [PSP] Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's Tag Force 4 (Konami)
36. [PS2] BeatMania IIDX 16: Empress + Premium Best (Konami)
37. [NDS] You'll Incur Losses if You Remain Ignorant: How Money and Things Work DS (Nintendo)
38. [PSP] FIFA 10: World Class Soccer (Electronic Arts Victor)
39. [NDS] SaGa 2: Legendary Secret Treasure - Goddess of Destiny (Square Enix)
40. [NDS] A Penguin's Troubles X: 7 Warriors of the Sky (Konami)
41. [PS3] Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 (Tecmo)
42. [NDS] Puyo Puyo 7 (Sega)
43. [PS3] Grand Theft Auto IV (PlayStation 3 the Best) (Capcom)
44. [PS3] UFC 2009 Undisputed (Yuke's)
45. [NDS] Blue Dragon: Awakened Shadow (Namco Bandai)
46. [NDS] Paul Sloan & Des MacHale's Mysterious Story 2 (Level 5)
47. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
48. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
49. [PS3] Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (Playstation 3 the Best) (Konami)
50. [WII] Taiko Drum Master Wii (Namco Bandai)
xx. [ALL] Total Software Sales - 849.885 / 48.845.180

PS2 hits new low for 5th continued week. First time it drops below 2.000.

Famitsu data:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|    | [GBC] Pokemon G/S |[GBA] Pokemon FR/LG|[NDS] Pokemon HG/SS|       difference      |
|    | (Sunday 21/11/99) |(Thursday 29/01/04)|(Saturday 12/09/09)|                       |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   | HG/SS-G/S |HG/SS-FR/LG|
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|  1 |1.425.768|1.425.768|  955.337|  955.337|1.408.980|1.408.980|    -16.788|    453.643|
|  2 |  438.280|1.864.049|  286.626|1.241.963|  492.385|1.901.365|     37.316|    659.402|
|  3 |  453.500|2.317.549|  161.550|1.403.513|  166.244|2.067.609|   -249.940|    664.096|
|  4 |  301.003|2.618.551|   92.626|1.496.139|  269.978|2.337.587|   -280.964|    841.448|
|  5 |  436.828|3.055.379|   82.546|1.578.685|  182.699|2.520.286|   -535.093|    941.601|
|  6 |  573.247|3.628.627|   61.591|1.640.276|  151.242|2.671.528|   -957.099|  1.031.252|
|  7 |  477.507|4.106.134|   54.069|1.694.345|  100.000|2.771.000| -1.335.134|  1.076.655|
|  8 |  258.734|4.364.868|   49.576|1.743.921|         |         |           |           |
|  9 |  145.778|4.510.646|   56.359|1.800.280|         |         |           |           |
| 10 |  144.733|4.655.379|   51.076|1.851.356|         |         |           |           |
| 11 |  120.138|4.775.517|   30.037|1.881.393|         |         |           |           |
| 12 |   98.055|4.873.571|   26.907|1.908.300|         |         |           |           |
| 13 |   76.713|4.950.284|   29.698|1.937.998|         |         |           |           |
| 14 |   50.421|5.000.705|   43.406|1.981.404|         |         |           |           |
| 15 |   48.587|5.049.292|   51.127|2.032.531|         |         |           |           |
| 16 |   47.512|5.096.804|   15.027|2.047.558|         |         |           |           |
| 17 |   43.827|5.140.631|   14.350|2.061.908|         |         |           |           |
| 18 |   34.957|5.175.589|   16.099|2.078.007|         |         |           |           |
| 19 |   33.367|5.208.956|   16.029|2.094.036|         |         |           |           |
| 20 |   29.743|5.238.698|   13.400|2.107.436|         |         |           |           |
| 21 |   21.582|5.260.280|   14.723|2.122.159|         |         |           |           |
| 22 |   15.788|5.276.068|   14.578|2.136.737|         |         |           |           |
| 23 |   14.204|5.290.272|   14.843|2.151.580|         |         |           |           |
| 24 |        -|        -|   13.614|2.165.194|         |         |           |           |
| 25 |        -|5.332.897|   17.140|2.182.334|         |         |           |           |
| 26 |    9.987|5.342.884|   15.380|2.197.714|         |         |           |           |
| 27 |    7.308|5.350.193|   10.931|2.208.645|         |         |           |           |
| 28 |    7.879|5.358.072|   12.497|2.221.142|         |         |           |           |
| 29 |    7.597|5.365.669|   17.086|2.238.228|         |         |           |           |
| 30 |    7.040|5.372.709|   12.141|2.250.369|         |         |           |           |
| 31 |    7.722|5.380.430|   10.014|2.260.383|         |         |           |           |
| 32 |    7.657|5.388.087|    8.862|2.269.245|         |         |           |           |
| 33 |    7.575|5.395.662|    7.316|2.276.561|         |         |           |           |
| 34 |    6.449|5.402.111|    6.917|2.283.478|         |         |           |           |
| 35 |    7.120|5.409.231|    7.400|2.290.878|         |         |           |           |
| 36 |    8.127|5.417.358|    5.792|2.296.670|         |         |           |           |
| 37 |    8.796|5.426.154|    4.717|2.301.387|         |         |           |           |
| 38 |        -|        -|    5.240|2.306.627|         |         |           |           |
| 39 |        -|        -|    3.780|2.310.407|         |         |           |           |
| 40 |   10.588|5.451.223|    4.849|2.315.256|         |         |           |           |
| 41 |    5.995|5.457.218|    4.095|2.319.351|         |         |           |           |
| 42 |    7.940|5.465.158|    3.799|2.323.150|         |         |           |           |
| 43 |    3.646|5.468.804|    2.971|2.326.121|         |         |           |           |
| 44 |    4.704|5.473.508|    3.820|2.329.941|         |         |           |           |
| 45 |    5.002|5.478.510|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 46 |        -|        -|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 47 |        -|        -|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 48 |        -|        -|   25.511|2.377.713|         |         |           |           |
| 49 |        -|        -|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
| 50 |    4.012|5.495.447|        -|        -|         |         |           |           |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
|Year|   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   | HG/SS-G/S |HG/SS-FR/LG|
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|			
|  1 |3.628.627|3.628.627|2.377.713|2.377.713|2.771.000|2.771.000|   -857.617|    393.287|
|  2 |2.383.096|6.011.723|  202.800|2.580.513|         |         |           |           |
|  3 |   76.421|6.088.144|  141.728|2.722.241|         |         |           |           |
|  4 |        -|        -|  161.429|2.883.670|         |         |           |           |
|  5 |        -|        -|  102.232|2.985.902|         |         |           |           |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|-----------|-----------|
| LTD|        -|6.088.144|        -|2.985.902|        -|2.771.000| -3.317.144|   -214.902|
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[Oldschool]

Is Sony pushing PSP Go! in japan? Can we expect decent numbers, i.e., more than 100k first week?

 

[dolemite]

Ps3 still outsellig the Wii?
I'm sure the Wii will outsell the Ps3 next week!
And if not next week, next next week for sure!

 

[jett]

Bayonetta sold 93k copies too many on the PS3.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Why is everyone stressing out about S&P2? They showed it during E3, me thinks everyone should calm down.

Well, we've been burned by things like Diaster and ASH before.

EDIT: Since MechaX mentioned it, it might've been Soma Bringer I was thinking of rather than ASH. Anyway, one of them was shown in English.

 

[ksamedi]

I'm definitely happy for the Platinum Games and the Bayonetta sales. They have a talented staff. I hope this gets them some bigger budgets from Sega.

 

[MechaX]

Well, we've been burned by things like Diaster and ASH before.

Did Soma Bringer or Fatal Frame 4 ever have any E3/NA exposure? Just curious.

 

[DangerousDave]

Can't get much smaller. Minimum width and depth are dictated by the 5.25" disc format, and height is pretty low already. They'd basically have to remove the Gamecube controller ports to reduce height any further, but there's really no need. It's tiny as it is.

Well, they can make a bigger version for old people.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Did Soma Bringer or Fatal Frame 4 ever have any E3/NA exposure? Just curious.

Nope. I think the only game that had a push at a Western event but then subsequently didn't make it out in the US was Disaster, although I'm sure there may be one or two others.

 

[Opiate]

PS3 drop not only has a profoundly larger first effect than the Wii price drop, but it also has better legs.

Nintendo getting out-legged is rare. I still think "hysterical panic" is an appropriate response to the Wii's predicament in Japan, by the way!

 

[Somnid]

PS3 drop not only has a profoundly larger first effect than the Wii price drop, but it also has better legs.

Nintendo getting out-legged is rare. I still think "hysterical panic" is an appropriate response to the Wii's predicament in Japan, by the way!

This just feeds back into the the point that Nintendo didn't need to drop the price. They needed more games to appeal to more audiences. At least Iwata seems to understand this. PS3 was selling like crap for so long whereas Nintendo was dealing with a saturated market. Naturally Sony will have an easier time getting sales.

NSMB Wii will hopefully be that software kick in the ass Wii needs.

 

[danielijohnson]

It was built originally for the classic controller. I would rather see Treasure enjoying success than suffering in a third party hell for the sake of a slightly different play experience.

So Treasure would be "enjoying success" if S&P2, an incredibly niche game (for reasons already listed) came out on the 360 in Japan(an incredibly niche console in the region)?

*Mind Blown*

 

[Durante]

So Treasure would be "enjoying success" if S&P2, an incredibly niche game (for reasons already listed) came out on the 360 in Japan(an incredibly niche console in the region)?

*Mind Blown*

It's not that mindblowing. Quite a few "incredibly niche" games have enjoyed (relative!) success on 360 in Japan (eg. Shmups and ADVs).

I'd actually argue that the only games where it can make some sense to develop exclusively for 360 in the Japanese market are "incredibly niche" ones.

 

[obonicus]

Who'd be footing the bill for this 360 game, though? I imagine S&P2's bill is footed by Nintendo. Treasure gets paid even when the game sells 5k first day, I imagine.

 

[danielijohnson]

It's not that mindblowing. Quite a few "incredibly niche" games have enjoyed (relative!) success on 360 in Japan (eg. Shmups and ADVs).

I'd actually argue that the only games where it can make some sense to develop exclusively for 360 in the Japanese market are "incredibly niche" ones.

Does anyone have numbers for Shikigami(360) or Raiden (360) or any other game he might be hinting at?

 

[Chris1964]

PS3 drop not only has a profoundly larger first effect than the Wii price drop, but it also has better legs.

Nintendo getting out-legged is rare. I still think "hysterical panic" is an appropriate response to the Wii's predicament in Japan, by the way!

No, it hasn't. How do you define better legs?

 

[Stumpokapow]

Does anyone have numbers for Shikigami(360) or Raiden (360) or any other game he might be hinting at?

Sure.

garaph.info
-> Game Search
-> TitleEnglish
-> Type %Game name% (%Shikigami% or %Raiden%)

Shikigami no Shiro III
Raiden Fighters Aces

Raiden IV did not chart.

Note that any 2009 games are going to be missing year-end figures so a lot of hidden off-chart growth is not going to be present.

 

[Chris1964]

Raiden IV did not chart.

xx. [360] Raiden IV (Moss) - 3.000 / 3.000

It was at the famitsu leak.

 

[Stumpokapow]

xx. [360] Raiden IV (Moss) - 3.000 / 3.000

It was at the famitsu leak.

Ah, Garaph generally only posts the verified data. Thanks!

 

[gofreak]

No, it hasn't. How do you define better legs?

I think he's defining it by the absolute numbers and its positioning (i.e. we're 8 weeks in now and it still posts higher numbers than the home competition, whereas Wii's cut was more recent but only bumped it into that position for a week or so at most, and is already falling back to the mid twenties, a point the PS3 hasn't reached yet). In absolute terms the Wii didn't get nearly as big a bump, and is hitting lower faster. I guess you're defining it by the relative drop off after the first week or whatever? Wii's relative drop off after the first week hasn't been as steep of course, but it's increase wasn't nearly as sharp in the first place either so that's not so difficult..

 

[Hero of Legend]

Nope. I think the only game that had a push at a Western event but then subsequently didn't make it out in the US was Disaster, although I'm sure there may be one or two others.

Wasn't that just of that debut snippet of footage, art, and logo from E3 2006, and then nada?

 

[Pristine_Condition]

A little fun fact;

Based on your numbers

PS3 comparisons: After 150 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 54.0 weeks (March 11, 2001), where PSP was at 80.2 weeks (June 20, 2006), where GCN was at 170.8 weeks (December 17, 2004), and where Wii was at 42.7 weeks (September 21, 2007).
PS3 comparisons: After 151 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 55.1 weeks (March 19, 2001), where PSP was at 82.1 weeks (July 3, 2006), where GCN was at 172.1 weeks (December 27, 2004), and where Wii was at 44.8 weeks (October 5, 2007).
PS3 comparisons: After 152 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 55.7 weeks (March 23, 2001), where PSP was at 83.3 weeks (July 11, 2006), where GCN was at 172.8 weeks (December 27, 2004), and where Wii was at 46.3 weeks (October 16, 2007).
PS3 comparisons: After 153 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 56.3 weeks (March 27, 2001), where PSP was at 84.0 weeks (July 16, 2006), where GCN was at 173.6 weeks (January 6, 2005), and where Wii was at 47.2 weeks (October 22, 2007).
PS3 comparisons: After 154 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 56.8 weeks (March 30, 2001), where PSP was at 84.7 weeks (July 21, 2006), where GCN was at 176.5 weeks (January 26, 2005), and where Wii was at 47.9 weeks (October 28, 2007).

Shows that

PS3	PS2		PSP		GCN	
150	54		80,2		170,8	
151	55,1		82,1		172,1	
152	55,7		83,3		172,8	
153	56,3		84		173,6	
154	56,8	2,80	84,7	4,50	176,5	5,70

Its steadily loosing to PS2, and gaining a bit on PSP/GCN.

You won't be able to say this for long, if PS3 continues at this clip, since PS3's numbers are now into GCN's 2005 numbers.

2005 was when GCN sales really fell off the face of the earth. GCN only sold approx. 273K in 2005, with weekly numbers in the first half of the year around 3,200/wk generally. PS3 should start picking up sales on the GCN's historical number around 8-9 "GCN weeks" at a time per "PS3 week" now.

As long as PS3 numbers stay reasonably steady, and get the expected holiday/FFXIII bump, the "PS3=GCN LOL" meme will be very dead rather soon.

 

[Durante]

Does anyone have numbers for Shikigami(360) or Raiden (360) or any other game he might be hinting at?

There's one of the games I might be hinting at on this very page:

28. [360] Steins;Gate (5pb.) - 4,300 / 21,000

Also this:
http://garaph.info/softwareindividual.php//gid/3507
seems to have been successful for Cave considering their subsequent announcements.

 

[Chris1964]

Some of the MC comments:

- DQIX crossed 4 million. It took 16 weeks. The previous record was NSMB with 34 weeks. (Remember MC does not combine multiple versions like the Pokémon games; or at least it didn't use to...)

If we combine Diamond / Pearl sales after 88 days (13 weeks) it was:

1. [DS] Pokemon Diamond (Pokemon Co.) - 209.379 / 2.329.227
3. [DS] Pokemon Pearl (Pokemon Co.) - 164.670 / 1.931.445
_. [DS] Pokemon Diamond / Pearl (Pokemon Co.) - 374.049 / 4.260.672

Pokemon Diamond / Pearl is the fastest game to 4 million.

 

[schuelma]

PS3 drop not only has a profoundly larger first effect than the Wii price drop, but it also has better legs.

Nintendo getting out-legged is rare. I still think "hysterical panic" is an appropriate response to the Wii's predicament in Japan, by the way!

No, it doesn't have better legs. Its had a much bigger effect than the Wii's price drop, but it hasn't had better legs.

 

[donny2112]

Sin & Punishment 2 was always being made due to the strong sales of the original on Virtual Console in the U.S. This is a case where the Japanese sales are not going to determine if it gets brought to the U.S. or not.

 

[Serenity]

No, it doesn't have better legs. Its had a much bigger effect than the Wii's price drop, but it hasn't had better legs.

You are the second person to claim this what metric are you using to state this?

 

[schuelma]

You are the second person to claim this what metric are you using to state this?

I'm taking what the sales were for the first week of the price cut, and then comparing them to what they are now.

Now, again, the PS3 price cut has been way more impressive in establishing at least a temporary higher baseline, but strictly speaking, its not showing better legs.