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[farnham]

Well hell yes Nintendo was ending up on top when Nintendo was releasing 2 or 3 major games at launch versus the third party phenomenas of Super Swing Golf, Mr. Driller Drill Spirits, or Super Monkey Ball.

this game is easily superior to wave racer and luigis mansion (although i love both)

 

[AdventureRacing]

you sure can compare the sales of a game and the performance of a progamer

slayers boxer is currently in code S, went to RO4 in the open season 2 and is ranked among the TOP 20 in the korean ladder. compare that to his results in OSL or MSL the last 2 to 3 years. yeah its actually an improvement.

Boxer will be lucky to stay in Code S this season and is quickly falling behind IMO. He may stay in but i don't think he will be winning anything in SC2.

It doesn't matter anyway i wasn't actually trying to make an accurate comparison.

 

[Road]

Market value for February, 2011 -- 01/31~02/27 (Famitsu):


Hardware: 17.75 billion yen (+54.7%)
Software: 22.60 billion yen (+9.8%)

Overall: 40.35 billion yen (+25.9%)


If only a new console were launched every month.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

this game is easily superior to wave racer and luigis mansion (although i love both)

I would've liked to pick a shittier example than original Super Monkey Ball, but without a Top 500 from 2001 it was the only third party launch title that I saw when I looked for one quick-like. Only two others cracked the Top 30 that year.

 

[Lord_Byron28]

you sure can compare the sales of a game and the performance of a progamer


that aside
dude nintendogs sold 20 million copies world wide and over a million of those came from japan

granted layton was a million seller series as well but a launch nintendo title getting outsold by a thirdparty game is pretty much unheard of and pretty crushing for nintendogs

if the game underperforms in europe then it will be pretty alarming for nintendo as nintendogs became a bigger game for them then zelda or metroid or the likes

in comparison (if that is even possible)

slayers boxer is currently in code S, went to RO4 in the open season 2 and is ranked among the TOP 20 in the korean ladder. compare that to his results in OSL or MSL the last 2 to 3 years. yeah its actually an improvement.

We'll see how everything goes. Personally I think nintendogs will do better in the long term just because it's more of a casual title and the majority of people lining up for day 1 launch are hardcore gamers. Layton has more of a crossover appeal to casual and hardcore gamers alike. Although I do think it's a good sign for 3rd parties that a 3rd party game was able to sell better than Nintendo titles at launch.

 

[donny2112]

If only a new console were launched every month.

Then a year later, we'd be back at YOY declines, due to the appeal of a new console very quickly wearing thin. :lol

 

[Chris1964]

Predictions

[PSP] Fairy Tail: Portable Guild 2 (Konami) - 34.567
[PSP] Rurouni Kenshin - Saisen (Bandai Namco) - 32.109
[PS3] Dynasty Warriors 7 (Koei Tecmo) - 234.567


Media Create tie-ratios

XBX - 1.47
NDS - 1.04
PSP - ?
360 - 1.07
PS3 - 0.82
WII - 1.80
3DS - 0.95

 

[thestopsign]

I can't wait to see how the 3DS and it's titles hold up through these coming weeks. Should be good fun!

 

[frankie_baby]

Predictions

[PSP] Fairy Tail: Portable Guild 2 (Konami) - 34.567
[PSP] Rurouni Kenshin - Saisen (Bandai Namco) - 32.109
[PS3] Dynasty Warriors 7 (Koei Tecmo) - 234.567


Media Create tie-ratios

XBX - 1.47
NDS - 1.04
PSP - ?
360 - 1.07
PS3 - 0.82
WII - 1.80
3DS - 0.95

wow Wii was a launch software selling beast and huge number of launch ps3 obviously just being cheap (at the time) blu ray players

 

[cw_sasuke]

I can't wait to see how the 3DS and it's titles hold up through these coming weeks. Should be good fun!

Same here.....especially since there are still many "big" psp titles about to be released, should be interesting.

 

[antonz]

3DS software is inevitably going to stay steady for awhile. For the next 3 weeks they will be shipping probably 250K consoles a week that will get snapped up rapidly and software will sell to all those new 3DS owners.

 

[Chris1964]

Same here.....especially since there are still many "big" psp titles about to be released, should be interesting.

The only really big PSP titles are Final Fantasy Type-0 and the hypothetical MHP3G.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

wow Wii was a launch software selling beast and huge number of launch ps3 obviously just being cheap (at the time) blu ray players

I think Wii Play's additional remote had a lot to do with that. About half of the first week owners got it.

 

[BishopLamont]

I think Wii Play's additional remote had a lot to do with that. About half of the first week owners got it.

Considering Wii's multiplayer-centric image, thats not the least surprising. If Wii Play didn't exist, the ratio would be similiar to the other consoles and its sales would essentially turn into hardware accessories sales.

 

[Road]

Dengeki Sales, Feb 21 - 27, 2011:

01. / 00. [PSP] SD Gundam G Generation: World (Bandai Namco) - 235,978 / 235,978
02. / 00. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2: Infinty (SEGA) - 208,067 / 208,067
03. / 00. [3DS] Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracle (Level 5) - 111,131 / 111,131
04. / 00. [PS3] Disgaea 4 (Nippon Ichi) - 73,735 / 73,735
05. / 00. [3DS] Samurai Warriors: Chronicles (Koei Tecmo) - 42,600 / 42,600
06. / 00. [360] The Idolmaster 2 (Bandai Namco) - 36,621 / 36,621
07. / 00. [3DS] Super Street Fighter IV: 3D Edition (Capcom) - 34,469 / 34,469
08. / 00. [WII] SD Gundam G Generation: World (Bandai Namco) - 31,445 / 31,445
09. / 00. [3DS] Ridge Racer 3D (Bandai Namco) - 31,221 / 31,221
10. / 00. [3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: Golden Retriever & New Friends (Nintendo) - 31,153 / 31,153
11. / 00. [PS3] Rune Factory: Oceans (Marvelous Entertainment) - 30,059 / 30,059
12. / 05. [PSP] Monster Hunter Freedom 3 (Capcom) - 28,869 / 4,381,183
13. / 00. [PS3] Killzone 3 (SCE) - 28,759 / 28,759
14. / 00. [3DS] Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 3D (Konami) - 27,243 / 27,243
15. / 00. [PSP] Harukanaru Toki no Naka de 5 (Koei Tecmo) - 27,112 / 27,112
16. / 01. [PS3] Catherine (Atlus) - 26,850 / 164,912
17. / 00. [3DS] Nintendogs + Cats: Toy Poodle & New Friends (Nintendo) - 25,800 / 25,800
18. / 00. [NDS] Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's World Championship 2011: Over The Nexus (Konami) - 23,972 / 23,972
19. / 03. [PS3] Samurai Warriors 3 Z (Koei Tecmo) - 22,250 / 291,204
20. / 02. [PS3] Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds (Capcom) - 15,982 / 84,826

00. / 00. [3DS] Nintendogs + Cats (Golden Retriever, Toy Poodle, French Bulldog & New Friends) (Nintendo) - 68,000 / 68,000


Other software (first week / LTD):
2006-08-03 [PSP] SD Gundam G Generation Portable (Bandai Namco) - 151,000 / 326,000


Sell-through:
- Nintendo 3DS Hardware ~85%
- [PSP] SD Gundam G Generation: World ~90%


1) Total software / attach ratio on launch week:
- 3DS: 331,000 / 0.88
- NDS: 388,000 / 0.97

Hardware | This Week | Last Week |    YTD    |    LTD
----------------------------------------------------------
3DS      |   374,400 |         0 |   374,400 | 	  374,400
PSP      |    48,219 |    60,343 |   479,580 | 16,779,905
PS3      |    22,254 |    21,882 |   302,112 |  6,393,735
NDS      |    17,431 |    18,684 |   343,933 | 32,231,308
WII      |    11,733 |    11,606 |   240,211 | 11,514,338
360      |     4,380 |     2,527 |    28,737 |  1,474,317
PS2      |     1,184 |     1,408 |    13,606 | 	
---------------------------------------------------------
Total    |   479,601 |   116,450 | 1,782,579 |

http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/351/351816/
http://ascii.jp/elem/000/000/593/593468/
http://megalodon.jp/2011-0307-0717-05/news.dengeki.com/soft/ranking/ranking.html


Week 8 - 02-14 ~ 02-20
Week 7 - 02-07 ~ 02-13
Week 6 - 01-31 ~ 02-06
Week 5 - 01-24 ~ 01-30
Week 4 - 01-17 ~ 01-23

 

[FINALFANTASYDOG]

Okay haven't had time this week to go and look at major electronic stores, but 3 out of 4 of the game stores in my area have stock of 3DS, and reading retailer blogs it looks like they are not selling out in any shape or form.

Has anyone gone and checked Shibuya/Shinjuku/Akihabara about the stocks there?

I'd be worried, if it wasn't for the fact I think New School Year/graduation gifts at the end of this month and then Golden Week/EASTER should be enough to keep sales going until they get zelda and the system fully Feature- launched in June.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

Okay haven't had time this week to go and look at major electronic stores, but 3 out of 4 of the game stores in my area have stock of 3DS, and reading retailer blogs it looks like they are not selling out in any shape or form.

Has anyone gone and checked Shibuya/Shinjuku/Akihabara about the stocks there?

I'd be worried, if it wasn't for the fact I think New School Year/graduation gifts at the end of this month and then Golden Week/EASTER should be enough to keep sales going until they get zelda and the system fully Feature- launched in June.

is it can be panics tiem nao?

 

[Huff]

is it can be panics tiem nao?

Doomed. Nintendo going the way of Sega.

 

[Chris1964]

wow Wii was a launch software selling beast and huge number of launch ps3 obviously just being cheap (at the time) blu ray players

It looks that everyone who bought Wii Sports bought Wii Play too.

Famitsu
[WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo) {2006.12.02} - 176.880
[WII] Wii Play (Nintendo) {2006.12.02} - 171.888
[WII] The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Nintendo) {2006.12.02} - 145.068
[WII] WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Nintendo) {2006.12.02} - 63.086
[WII] Pangya Fantasy Golf (Tecmo) {2006.12.02} - 12.673
[WII] Ennichi no Tatsujin (Bandai Namco) {2006.12.02} - 10.192
[WII] SD Gundam G Generation: Scad Hammers (Bandai Namco) {2006.12.02} - 9.801
[WII] Red Steel (Ubisoft) {2006.12.02} - 8.823
[WII] Tamagotchi Party On! (Bandai Namco) {2006.12.02} - 6.994
[WII] Elebits (Konami) {2006.12.02} - 6.505
[WII] Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz (Sega) {2006.12.02} - 4.153
[WII] Trauma Center: Second Opinion (Atlus Co.) {2006.12.02} - 3.820
[WII] Crayon Shin-Chan: Saikyou Kazoku Kasukabe King Wii (Banpresto) {2006.12.02} - 3.621
[WII] Kororinpa: Marble Mania (Hudson) {2006.12.02} - 2.553
[WII] Escape from Bug Island (Spike) {2006.12.02} - 2.015
[WII] Wing Island (Hudson) {2006.12.02} - 728

Media Create
[WII] Wii Sports (Nintendo) {2006.12.02} - 176.167
[WII] Wii Play (Nintendo) {2006.12.02} - 174.297
[WII] The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Nintendo) {2006.12.02} - 139.011
[WII] WarioWare: Smooth Moves (Nintendo) {2006.12.02} - 63.954
[WII] Pangya Fantasy Golf (Tecmo) {2006.12.02} - 16.908
[WII] Ennichi no Tatsujin (Bandai Namco) {2006.12.02} - 10.763
[WII] Red Steel (Ubisoft) {2006.12.02} - 9.392
[WII] SD Gundam G Generation: Scad Hammers (Bandai Namco) {2006.12.02} - 9.226
[WII] Tamagotchi Party On! (Bandai Namco) {2006.12.02} - 8.042
[WII] Elebits (Konami) {2006.12.02} - 5.791
[WII] Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz (Sega) {2006.12.02} - 4.423
[WII] Crayon Shin-Chan: Saikyou Kazoku Kasukabe King Wii (Banpresto) {2006.12.02} - 4.248
[WII] Trauma Center: Second Opinion (Atlus Co.) {2006.12.02} - 4.107
[WII] Kororinpa: Marble Mania (Hudson) {2006.12.02} - 2.416
[WII] Escape from Bug Island (Spike) {2006.12.02} - 1.934
[WII] Wing Island (Hudson) {2006.12.02} - 800

 

[confuziz]

Okay haven't had time this week to go and look at major electronic stores, but 3 out of 4 of the game stores in my area have stock of 3DS, and reading retailer blogs it looks like they are not selling out in any shape or form.

Has anyone gone and checked Shibuya/Shinjuku/Akihabara about the stocks there?

I'd be worried, if it wasn't for the fact I think New School Year/graduation gifts at the end of this month and then Golden Week/EASTER should be enough to keep sales going until they get zelda and the system fully Feature- launched in June.

Lately you have only been bringing Nintendo doom stories in these threads so I'd be worried if it weren't you saying this but someone else.

 

[Chris1964]

Lately you have only been bringing Nintendo doom stories in these threads so I'd be worried if it weren't you saying this but someone else.

You must confuse the names
farnham =/= FINALFANTASYDOG

 

[confuziz]

You must confuse the names
farnham =/= FINALFANTASYDOG

No I'm pretty sure he does it as well =P

for instance using Amazon for 'trends' : http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26241814&postcount=181

 

[Spiegel]

You must confuse the names
farnham =/= FINALFANTASYDOG

Nah, I think confuziz wants FINALFANTASYDOG to post the picture of his 3DS.

He wants to see "The Keyboard" again.

 

[confuziz]

Nah, I think confuziz wants FINALFANTASYDOG to post the picture of his 3DS.

He wants to see "The Keyboard" again.

Thats's probably part of the problem.

 

[Graphics Horse]

He wants to see "The Keyboard" again.

(

 

[Chris1964]

PSP2:i looks ready to join Ni no Kuni.

for instance using Amazon for 'trends' : http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26241814&postcount=181

Of course you can use amazon for trends and price collapse.

 

[confuziz]

PSP2:i looks ready to join Ni no Kuni.


Of course you can use amazon for trends and price collapse.

edit : But it looked like he was actively searching to find anything bad regarding the sales of the 3DS

 

[BishopLamont]

Those launch third party sales on Wii are just plain sad.

 

[vicissitudes]

Wooooo sales age! It'll be REALLY interesting in the following weeks to see how well 3DS hardware and software holds. I have a feeling it won't be quite as successful as the DS...but who knows.

 

[mujun]

Lately you have only been bringing Nintendo doom stories in these threads so I'd be worried if it weren't you saying this but someone else.

What he says is true though. I checked ToysRUs and a couple of other places (Geo in Nipponbashi) on the weekend and the system was readily available for retail price. It also dropped back down to retail price on Amazon from 30,000 yen last week.

 

[perfectnight]

Great to see PSP2i on top. Only a matter of time before PSP3/PSO2P

 

[FINALFANTASYDOG]

Lately you have only been bringing Nintendo doom stories in these threads so I'd be worried if it weren't you saying this but someone else.

You love me, you really luv me!

Stores selling copies over days instead of hours is not NINTENDO DOOM. I've been in a not so positive-looking mood lately, in the past months I've made unhappy posts regarding all 3 manufactures!

Chris reads the same Japanese blogs as I do, If I wanted to be super-negative I could be literally linking every hour to over the top NO WII GAMES, PEOPLE ARE GOING BLIND PLAYING 3ds and other nonsense stories.


Besides that,
Amazon's minor price changes I find to be incredibly interesting(You have any idea how their system works? it really amazes me to see 1% change for one day, then the price goes back up or down), besides that just reporting on what I see. The entire premise of that post was 3ds games were being sold at a premium on amazon.


I've also made happy posts, that have been misinterpreted, about games selling out at the warehouse level.

What I say is no lie, my friend, however these shops generally aren't super strong in dealing with Nintendo products to start with, that's why I want to hear about big chains supplies.

 

[Chris1964]

March estimated initial shipments from azalyn

[PSP] Dissidia: 012 (Duodecim) Final Fantasy (Square Enix) {2011.03.03} - 450.000
[PS3] Way of the Samurai 4 (Spike) {2011.03.03} - 120.000
[PSP] Star Driver: Kagayaki no Takuto - Ginga Bishounen Densetsu (Bandai Namco) {2011.03.03} - 40.000

[PS3] Dynasty Warriors 7 (Koei Tecmo) {2011.03.10} - 310.000
[PSP] Rurouni Kenshin: Meiji Kenyaku Romantan - Saisen (Bandai Namco) {2011.03.10} - 40.000

[PS3] Yakuza: Of the End (Sega) {2011.03.17} - 350.000
[3DS] Steel Diver (Nintendo) {2011.03.17} - 100.000 [in reality he has no idea for this title]

[PSP] Final Fantasy IV: Complete Collection (Square Enix) {2011.03.24} - 200.000

[NDS] Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 2 - Professional (Square Enix) {2011.03.31} - 120.000
[PSP] Amagami (EBKore+) (Kadokawa Shoten) {2011.03.31} - 80.000
[PS3] Warriors: Legends of Troy (Koei Tecmo) {2011.03.31} - 70.000
[360] Warriors: Legends of Troy (Koei Tecmo) {2011.03.31} - 20.000
[PS2] Amagami (EBKore+) (Kadokawa Shoten) {2011.03.31} - 20.000

 

[onken]

lol those predictions were pretty bad.

Okay haven't had time this week to go and look at major electronic stores, but 3 out of 4 of the game stores in my area have stock of 3DS, and reading retailer blogs it looks like they are not selling out in any shape or form.

Has anyone gone and checked Shibuya/Shinjuku/Akihabara about the stocks there?

I'd be worried, if it wasn't for the fact I think New School Year/graduation gifts at the end of this month and then Golden Week/EASTER should be enough to keep sales going until they get zelda and the system fully Feature- launched in June.

2 local places near me have the black in stock, but blue seems to be sold out everywhere. Blue superior color confirmed!

e~ Amazon have stock, though. Nintendo actually meeting demand, whatever next.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

if($supply<$demand) {
     echo "Intentional shortages.";
} elseif ($supply>$demand) {
     echo "DOOOOOMED.";
} else { //$supply==$demand
     echo "Wow, this is incredibly unlikely.";
}

 

[onken]

Kinda dull this week but oh well:

Predictions
[PSP] Fairy Fail: Portable Guild 2 (Konami) - 25K
[PSP] Rurouni Kenshin - Saisen (Bandai Namco) - 35K
[PS3] Dynasty Warriors 7 (Koei Tecmo) - 210k

 

[Orgen]

Predictions

[PSP] Fairy Tail: Portable Guild 2 (Konami) - 31.000
[PSP] Rurouni Kenshin - Saisen (Bandai Namco) - 26.500
[PS3] Dynasty Warriors 7 (Koei Tecmo) - 215.000

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Predictions
[PSP] Fairy Tail: Portable Guild 2 (Konami) - 27k
[PSP] Rurouni Kenshin - Saisen (Bandai Namco) - 27k
[PS3] Dynasty Warriors 7 (Koei Tecmo) - 277k

 

[donny2112]

if($supply<$demand) {
     echo "Intentional shortages.";
} elseif ($supply>$demand) {
     echo "DOOOOOMED.";
} else { //$supply==$demand
     echo "Wow, this is incredibly unlikely.";
}

:lol

Seriously, though, this is the followup to the system that was sold out for 18 months not at launch and highest selling system ever in Japan. The initial shipment wasn't insanely large (e.g. 1m at launch for PS3 in Europe), so a lack of a sellout isn't a good thing. Will be interesting to see how it goes through Golden Week, for sure.

 

[Chris1964]

:lol

Seriously, though, this is the followup to the system that was sold out for 18 months not at launch and highest selling system ever in Japan. The initial shipment wasn't insanely large (e.g. 1m at launch for PS3 in Europe), so a lack of a sellout isn't a good thing. Will be interesting to see how it goes through Golden Week, for sure.

3DS stills tries to find the first killer app. Right now only AR games are the ones that differentiate the system from the rest. Golden Week will be interersting to watch but still without the big title it won't do miracles. The only dated title for then right now is Deca Sports 3D :lol and with Zelda delayed to June I don't see what the big title will be.

DS started improving its sales after training genre landed and selling like crazy after high profile Nintendo titles came out.

 

[cw_sasuke]

DS started improving its sales after training genre landed and selling like crazy after high profile Nintendo titles came out.

Should be the same for 3DS once the first StreetPass/mainstream blockbusters like animal crossing and mario kart 3ds are released...

What about high profile 3rd party titles which could sell at least 300-500K this year ?

 

[Chris1964]

3DS target wasn't to repeat the poor DS Japanese launch. It was meant to have a launch similar to Wii but it looks closer to DS than Wii.

This and next week's sales will show short term sales but right now investors don't look impressed with current 3DS performance.

 

[cw_sasuke]

3DS target wasn't to repeat the poor DS Japanese launch. It was meant to have a launch similar to Wii but it looks closer to DS than Wii.

This and next week's sales will show short term sales but right now investors don't look impressed with current 3DS performance.

Not suprising, the PSP right now is probably the most attractive handheld game-wise and much cheaper. StreetPass, AR Games and a couple of good games are nice but there still don`t have their triple A must have game, which not justifies the purchase of a new hardware...but also at that price point.

btw. are you talkin about nintendo investers ? Even if it just sells as much, they are ranking a lot more money at that hardware price...but at the end its about the software, so 2nd week figures should be interesting.....

 

[Chris1964]

btw. are you talkin about nintendo investers ? Even if it just sells as much, they are ranking a lot more money at that hardware price...but at the end its about the software, so 2nd week figures should be interesting.....

Nintendo stock price went 4.1% down after weekend sales and sellthrough were provided.

 

[Jokeropia]

e~ Amazon have stock, though. Nintendo actually meeting demand, whatever next.

The black one can be bought at MSRP, but it won't ship until March 13. The blue is only available at a premium.

 

[Brazil]

Nintendo stock price went 4.1% down after weekend sales and sellthrough were provided.

Damn.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Nintendo stock price went 4.1% down after weekend sales and sellthrough were provided.

So will Nintendo's strategic decision to launch the 3DS with no key first-party titles beyond Nintendogs (hardly a system-seller at this point) to benefit third parties be an issue for them in the short-term, then?

It's a shite situation for them - launch hard with major first-party support and give the machine an explosive start, and third parties are shut out and you cause issues further down the line. Launch soft and let third parties take the limelight and you risk slow uptake of hardware because the titles they're bringing aren't in the same league, or aren't demonstrating why people need this new console.

 

[Spiegel]

Does anyone have any idea about why the psp is still sold out?

It's selling decent numbers each week in Japan but nothing outrageous. It's been two months and Sony can't get enough units to mantain the weekly stock.

Did they sell most of the factories or what? Because outside of Japan psp is tanking and those factories surely are not making NGP consoles yet.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Does anyone have any idea about why the psp is still sold out?

It's selling decent numbers each week in Japan but nothing outrageous. It's been two months and Sony can't get enough units to mantain the weekly stock.

Did they sell most of the factories or what? Because outside of Japan psp is tanking and those factories surely are not making NGP consoles yet.

They probably don't see it big enough to change their production capacity, as in the effort to change its actual, lets say, 300k a month into a 600k a month for one month is way too much effort.

That, and stupidity. Lots of it.

 

[Canova]

Nintendo stock price went 4.1% down after weekend sales and sellthrough were provided.

ugh, doesn't look good

here's nintendo stock, check out the historical price for the last 5 days

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/NTDOY