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How about you read your own post lol 
But as said it doesnt really matter how much it would sell on 3DS etc. if the goal from the start was to create a higher end, story focused console Anniversary entry. They made the call years ago knowing that the 3DS would probably sell very well and be more popular than every home console in Japan.
How about you read your own post lol
If FF Type 0 HD sells well on PS4 then there is at least some proof of an audience that enjoys the genre. Obviously the JRPG's are not going to sell on the same scale a FF but that doesn't mean there will not be overlap. The nearest example after that is probably Persona 5.
Furthermore these decisions have been made years ago, before any so called proof has yet to been shown. Why do you think SE is focusing so much on PS4 despite there being no previous examples of JRPG releases on the platform?
Thats is not what I said.
Having FF platform inevitably creates a base of jrpg players.....a massive base at that. They may not all be interested in the other jrpgs but you certainly have a multi million base that are willing to buy into the genre. Really we are saying FF because its the nearest release. You'll see better once Persona 5 comes out.
Furthermore these decisions have been made years ago, before any so called proof has yet to been shown. Why do you think SE is focusing so much on PS4 despite there being no previous examples of JRPG releases on the platform?
Thats is not what I said.
Having FF platform inevitably creates a base of jrpg players.....a massive base at that. They may not all be interested in the other jrpgs but you certainly have a multi million base that are willing to buy into the genre. Really we are saying FF because its the nearest release. You'll see better once Persona 5 comes out.
DQM is a service on mobile and still going strong and get updates regular - they dont need another mobile installment anytime soon when they can keep updating the current one. Next DQM/Joker title should be on 3DS.
Well...i pointed out in my post that these decisions have been made years ago. FF XV selling okay doesnt mean much for DQ lets be honest, they are putting all their games on PS4 of course there will be some synergy effects ...but nothing that will magically make DQ bigger in the west than it ever was.
Just being on PS4 or in HD doesnt mean there is more sales potential compared to PS2, DS and co. Also i would argue that the overlap between other turn based rpgs like Pokemon, Bravely Default, SMT and DQ fans is probably higher as well.
Well...i pointed out in my post that these decisions have been made years ago. FF XV selling okay doesnt mean much for DQ lets be honest, they are putting all their games on PS4 of course there will be some synergy effects ...but nothing that will magically make DQ bigger in the west than it ever was.
Just being on PS4 or in HD doesnt mean there is more sales potential compared to PS2, DS and co. Also i would argue that the overlap between other turn based rpgs like Pokemon, Bravely Default, SMT and DQ fans is probably higher as well.
I know, I was just pointing out that I don't look at THAT FF at all, period, to gain any kind of indication about DQ brand.
And maybe that's the reason why after having pre-announced that game, it completely desappeared from any radar for...don't know, a year maybe?
if the extract we saw is real, they say: "What can give a boost to 3DS and Wii U aside Mario?"
Don't know if this should be read as a multiplatform release, but they don't talk specifically of the Wii U.
What should be the reasons...? I'm honestly asking because I don't see any connections in what we two were saying.
FFCC:RoF disappeared for about 3 years after being released on DS; the same for FFCC:CB on Wii. It's not that it's something new in SQEX. Also, the game was not "pre-announced"; the team only said they were working on a new entry.
3DS has Pokémon and KH as well.
FFCC:RoF disappeared for about 3 years after being released on DS; the same for FFCC:CB on Wii. It's not that it's something new in SQEX. Also, the game was not "pre-announced"; the team only said they were working on a new entry.
3DS has Pokémon and KH as well.
Maybe they announced it, than the mobile service skyrocketed and now are waiting to understand how to properly manage it, in order to not cannibalize the sales.
I'm not saying that it will be mobile 100%, but I don't understand how people can rule mobile out for sure, betting everything on 3DS.
I wonder why there was such a huge decline. I know that the first episode was criticized a lot (don't remember why), and so the second was was hurt, but I also remember that the second episode was better received by the critics, so...probably "just" brand (One pipece xc Musou) fatigue?
I'm not saying that it will be mobile 100%, but I don't understand how people can rule mobile out for sure, betting everything on 3DS.
I wonder why there was such a huge decline. I know that the first episode was criticized a lot (don't remember why), and so the second was was hurt, but I also remember that the second episode was better received by the critics, so...probably "just" brand (One pipece xc Musou) fatigue?
I never said anything about a PS4 Dragon Quest outselling a 3DS one. I'm just saying it makes sense given what Horii has said, the way Square Enix seem to be positioning in the PS4, how well its selling etc. That's all. And you seem to agree with me judging from your reply lol
See above. You talk at me as if its an impossibility. It isn't. I'd quite happily buy DQ XI on 3DS. I enjoyed the DS remakes, IX and the remake of VII. But, whether it's multiplatform or exclusive, I wouldn't find it shocking if DQ XI ended up on PS4.
If Horii says the next game will be on a console, then he's certainly not talking about 3DS now is he?
See above. You talk at me as if its an impossibility. It isn't. I'd quite happily buy DQ XI on 3DS. I enjoyed the DS remakes, IX and the remake of VII. But, whether it's multiplatform or exclusive, I wouldn't find it shocking if DQ XI ended up on PS4.
If Horii says the next game will be on a console, then he's certainly not talking about 3DS now is he?
From the NIS thread.
Sure but if we look at the platforms in the West at that time DS was doing incredibly well and PS3 was doing badly. Now the PS4 is doing incredibly well and the 3DS is waning. If SE wants to look at growth in the West then I can see why they want to put it on PS4. It will be a platform that receives notable jrpgs whilst also being one that is more popular and quickly growing.
Could just be the first entry being incredibly inflated. It might not be fatigue as it is traditionally seen, or even a sign of the (lack of) quality. Definitely not lack of marketing. Just because you can get people to buy a lot of one game, does not automatically mean that you can retain the entire audience for future entries. Especially for a semi-annualized series.
Series fatigue only applies if a franchise consistently sells a certain amount, and then starts seeing sharper declines later on. An example of this would be the Layton series or the Inazuma series. Gran Turismo also exhibits this syndrome, but that could also be genre fatigue, with Japanese audiences being less interested in full price racing games.
With One Piece Musou it seems likely given the given the figures that there are probably about 300-400k worth of buyers who are really into it. A lot of the sales in the first entry were probably people who don't regularly buy Musou games or One Piece games, but liked the idea of One Piece being made into a big Musou title. They tried it out, and that was enough for them.
Series fatigue only applies if a franchise consistently sells a certain amount, and then starts seeing sharper declines later on. An example of this would be the Layton series or the Inazuma series. Gran Turismo also exhibits this syndrome, but that could also be genre fatigue, with Japanese audiences being less interested in full price racing games.
With One Piece Musou it seems likely given the given the figures that there are probably about 300-400k worth of buyers who are really into it. A lot of the sales in the first entry were probably people who don't regularly buy Musou games or One Piece games, but liked the idea of One Piece being made into a big Musou title. They tried it out, and that was enough for them.
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/06/12/dragon-quest-xi-development-will-made-home-consoles/
EDIT: The only problem with this is that, for some reason I remember him saying he'd LIKE it to be on home consoles, rather than it is specifically being made for home consoles. But, still.
EDIT: The only problem with this is that, for some reason I remember him saying he'd LIKE it to be on home consoles, rather than it is specifically being made for home consoles. But, still.
Yeah I'm not sure about it. Since I remember him saying he'd 'like it to be played on a home console'. I'll gladly pull the quote though if its erroneous. My point really is to illustrate that, the possibility that it will appear on a console in some form is definitely there. We just can't say for sure yet.
Pretty good for Bloodborne. Pretty bad for 1P and Disgaea...
I don't think they will if they think going PS4+Vita only will be the same as when the PS3 was alive and well, even with Sony giving some marketing support.
They're going to have to try to build an audience on other platforms (3ds, mobile) if they want to do well in Japan. If they don't want to, they're going to have to make some games that are more appealing for western audiences...
I don't think they will if they think going PS4+Vita only will be the same as when the PS3 was alive and well, even with Sony giving some marketing support.
They're going to have to try to build an audience on other platforms (3ds, mobile) if they want to do well in Japan. If they don't want to, they're going to have to make some games that are more appealing for western audiences...
reading here, sounds like People expect that a Mainline DQ would sell more than the 1m in the West because of the succes of the PS4.
I think we all know that DQ PS4 would only be for Prestige and not for sales because it would be the worst selling Main DQ WW (excluding DQX because MMO) since pre DQVII Times.
I think we all know that DQ PS4 would only be for Prestige and not for sales because it would be the worst selling Main DQ WW (excluding DQX because MMO) since pre DQVII Times.
I dont think anyone have claimed that. Most people seems to think that Dragon Quest XI will be multiplatform based on some comments from the director(?). For Bayonetta 3 and Half Life 3, the PS4 would probably be the best choice in Japan. For worldwide, multiplatform would be the best choice, especially for Half Life 3.