specialguy
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vita: ok
wii u:bad
wii u:bad
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Media Create Sales: Week 17, 2013 (Apr 22 - Apr 28)
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metalslimer
Member
I don't think you realize just how bad Wii U is selling vs how big of a turnaroud it would take to ship 9 million.
These are shipments and not real sales and Nintendo could try and stuff the channels, but it becomes progressively harder to do so with 2 new consoles launching this year.Things will get harder not easier
ambientmystic
Member
Good week for the Vita.
Wii U will remain where it is until Nintendo unleashes the games. Nothing out of the ordinary there, only thing is to see how low it can go before it's inevitable revival and success.
Wii U will remain where it is until Nintendo unleashes the games. Nothing out of the ordinary there, only thing is to see how low it can go before it's inevitable revival and success.
specialguy
Banned
yeah geez, what if wii u sales actually start to get worse?
8k/week japan, 32k/month
weekly pace by march npd for 54k/month usa
eu sales by rumor are abysmal, lets say 30k/month
116k/month worldwide?
electroplankton
Banned
A company might well be lazy and do tons of money as well. Just look at Western third parties on DS and Wii last-gen; if a company sells well with portings and low-budget titles, why putting more effort on a userbase that's just above one million, and with almost zero chance to sell well outisde Japan? Actually Square tried with one new IP on Vita, Army Corpse of Hell, and it's not that it sets the chart on fire. To complete, I don't see third parties risking on Vita; they're doing multi with PSP for their biggest projects (Toukiden, God Eater, LBX) and even in that case they're doing something safe. Let's see how many announcements Vita will receive in the near future. What was the last one already?
No they should be mocked now. The low sales are completely their fault. It's deserved and they should be mocked. I still have hope and wishfulness that they'll turn things around so I don't feel like I wasted money buying the system. However I have no problem putting blame where it's due when it comes to the sales.
The thing is there never should have been a need for a recovery plan.
fabricated backlash
Member
Kind of reminds me of the GC/GBA days.
The homeconsole is bombing, while the handheld is keeping Nintendo afloat.
WiiU is truly one unprecedented desaster.
The homeconsole is bombing, while the handheld is keeping Nintendo afloat.
WiiU is truly one unprecedented desaster.
That makes no sense.
ambientmystic
Member
It will. Things will get worse for the Wii U before it gets better. By the end of the year, this will all be a forgotten nightmare for Nintendo and their supporters.
Acquiescence
Member
Ooh, dat salt.
shinra-bansho
Member
It's really not, based on what's currently known.
Especially if they're planning to hit the profit forecast.
They are essentially planning to ship ~8.5M units in less than 9 months.
maabus1999
Member
As I said, the amount of titles makes the sales spread small, so by doing a normalized probability curve (which is bogus in consumer purchasing habits) to give each title an equal chance, you would still expect a title to reach near 4000, even if the 8000 new purchasers bought 1 game each, and that none of the previous Wii U owners bought any games this week (again bogus). It is true that some titles may be close to 4000, but no matter how you try to explain it, it is exceptionally, exceptionally poor.
And I back up some of these thoughts with the last Nintendo report that showed pretty poor software sales in general.
djplaeskool
Member
I thought I told you that we won't stop
I thought I told you that we won't stop
I thought I told you that we won't stop
I thought I told you that we won't stop
I sort of missed saying that :lol
Yep. they had YEARS to see how development costs were affecting other companies, had YEARS to plan their software teams adequately and be sure everything is ready for their launch.
They botched it, so now they are getting their just desserts. I do think they'll SOMEWHAT right the ship, but they are just a precursor to the rest of this generation.
It's good for the Vita considering how bad it used to be.
metalslimer
Member
If Vita could manage to sell 20k a week from now on, I would say it reached its goal of niche status in Japan and could theoretically survive. It's not going to sell 20k a week with its sporadic lineup. Same thing I see happening to Wii U. Even if it does recover on the back of Nintendo games, Nintendo can not release games every week, and the sporadic lineup will send it free falling once again after this year's holidays
maabus1999
Member
To be clear, you would except with 8000 new Wii U purchases and what, half million previously owned Wii U's on the market, for any title to reach 4000 units sold to make it on the sales chart.
That did not happen, which is bad.
electroplankton
Banned
Hardware sales are poor, software sales follow accordingly. I don't see how the half hardware units threshold might be a sign of something more specific. Before G&W and DQX were released, either NSMBU and NL were selling about half of those hardware sales though.
It's not. It's just less bad than 10k.
ambientmystic
Member
It's great when put into perspective. Everyone and their dog's buying a 3DS in Japan, so any increases for the Vita is always a good thing.
It's no secret that Famitsu tracks Sony/MS systematically lower than MC and all Nintendo stuff higher. A tracking company obviously can't have a bias, so Famitsu just thinks that the small shops in small villages that they can't track have a higher affinity towards Nintendo, so they calculate the numbers a bit differently than MC.
FreedomFighter
Member
Luigi is doing outstanding.
Animal Crossing showing some sexy legs.
Nice Vita bump.
Animal Crossing showing some sexy legs.
Nice Vita bump.
Without having full numbers, this post makes no sense. It is very possible that multiple titles sold around 4k.
It's less than 1000 yen more than the 3DS LL. The price is competitive.
I'm guessing Experience is satisfied with Cross Blood Infinity's sales, despite the apparent low numbers. Re-release of a re-release, and FW sales are still around a third (wow what was I thinking) of their new IP Demon Gaze.
Everything is relative.
maabus1999
Member
Heavy Channel stuffing actually can cause some regulatory issues with investment filings; plus which retailer is going to give up warehouse space for this? Warehouse space costs money every day, believe it or not.
shinra-bansho
Member
I thought Dengeki was being nice and giving out a more extensive top 50 chart with numbers.
If it is still pulling 15 k after Golden Week I will be pretty impressed.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
What about Kiseki?
In DS era was the same thing, and PSP did much better than Vita.
20k per week for a gaming portable in Japan is far from great.
Bruno MB
Member
Code:
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| | [B]Tomodachi Col.[/B] | [B]TC: Shin Seikatsu[/B] | [B]Difference[/B] |
| | [NDS] (2009/06/18)| [3DS] (2013/04/18)| |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
|Week| Weekly | LTD | Weekly | LTD | TC - TC:SH |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
| 1 | 100.373| 100.373| 411.025| 411.025| 310.652|
| 2 | 70.117| 170.490| 151.741| 562.766| 392.276|
| 3 | 50.944| 221.434| | | |
| 4 | 52.698| 274.132| | | |
| 5 | 60.060| 334.492| | | |
| 6 | 71.175| 405.367| | | |
| 7 | 78.174| 484.541| | | |
| 8 | 88.958| 572.499| | | |
| 9 | 126.484| 698.983| | | |
| 10 | 66.596| 765.579| | | |
| 11 | 69.757| 835.336| | | |
| 12 | 88.033| 923.369| | | |
| 13 | 70.214| 993.583| | | |
| 14 | 72.719|1.066.302| | | |
| 15 | 89.801|1.156.103| | | |
| 16 | 68.371|1.224.474| | | |
| 17 | 63.632|1.288.106| | | |
| 18 | 60.251|1.348.357| | | |
| 19 | 51.908|1.400.265| | | |
| 20 | 52.736|1.453.001| | | |
| 21 | 65.576|1.518.577| | | |
| 22 | 62.907|1.581.484| | | |
| 23 | 59.481|1.640.965| | | |
| 24 | 68.244|1.709.209| | | |
| 25 | 70.977|1.780.186| | | |
| 26 | 96.917|1.877.103| | | |
| 27 | 187.920|2.065.023| | | |
| 28 | 246.925|2.311.948| | | |
| 29 | 183.209|2.495.157| | | |
| 30 | 98.717|2.593.874| | | |
| 31 | 62.033|2.655.907| | | |
| 32 | 56.539|2.712.446| | | |
| 33 | 55.433|2.767.879| | | |
| 34 | 45.563|2.813.442| | | |
| 35 | 44.424|2.857.866| | | |
| 36 | 37.144|2.895.010| | | |
| 37 | 35.488|2.930.498| | | |
| 38 | 38.052|2.968.550| | | |
| 39 | 38.570|3.007.120| | | |
| 40 | 37.391|3.044.511| | | |
| 41 | 41.327|3.085.838| | | |
| 42 | 36.602|3.122.440| | | |
| 43 | 25.274|3.147.714| | | |
| 44 | 19.194|3.166.908| | | |
| 45 | 18.454|3.185.362| | | |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
|Year| YTD | LTD | YTD | LTD | Difference |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
| 1 |2.311.948|2.311.948| 562.766| 562.766| -1.749.182|
| 2 |1.196.148|3.508.096| -| -| -|
| 3 | 126.510|3.634.606| -| -| -|
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
| LTD| -|3.634.606| -| 562.766| -3.071.840|
-------------------------------------------------------------maabus1999
Member
And with the amount of titles on the market, is still very poor. Again, retailers are going to give up shelf space at that rate. Nintendo may make more with digital sales, but retailers don't care about that...
Seriously, the 360 in Japan has 5 titles on the list...the 360. There is no defending this as bad news for Nintendo that will be lucky to reach 2/3s of their current fiscal year forecast.
maquiladora
Member
Crazy. Absolutely crazy.
You're making it look like Vita is dying, but it's actually gaining strengh. It may be slow, but it's a positive dynamic. You're saying there won't be any new announcement, but if there was announcement when it was selling under 10k, don't you think the park growing and the sales growing, with a now less expensive console, would give more confidence to devs ?
It's the thing with the Vita.It was really in bad shape at first cause it was NOT marketed to regain the psp market. The thing you see happening now, with all those psp/vita games, is an actual shift, a generational transition. Now that it's engaged, vita is more safe. PSP stopped selling crazy, Vita is selling better, big psp games are also coming on Vita. You see, the dynamic is there now. Vita will have all the usual sellers on PSP. In 1-2 years from now, there won't even be a psp version anymore. And the market will be healthy enough for third parties to release original games. But i think SS or Gravity Daze were rentable already you know..
Luigis has been one immense success for Nintendo worldwide.
Looking at the disaster which the Wii U is right now I dont think Nintendo have a choice but to simply make sure the 3DS remains the powerhouse it has become in Japan and do whatever they can to get sales up in the West. The 3DS has to remain #1 priority!!
Looking at the disaster which the Wii U is right now I dont think Nintendo have a choice but to simply make sure the 3DS remains the powerhouse it has become in Japan and do whatever they can to get sales up in the West. The 3DS has to remain #1 priority!!
Looks like the next 2-3 weeks will be critical for seeing how well its legs hold compared with the DS version
Magicpaint
Member
Yeah, the alarm bells were ringing loud and hard when the 3DS dropped into the high 20ks back when, but with the Vita you have to remember where it was before (low points as low as 6k). It's not that 20k is necessarily good enough for a healthy system, but it's okay for now considering where the Vita was and gives people reasons to hope things can improve afterall.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Dragon's Dogma G indeed. Quite a dedicated base it has in Japan. Am enjoying a full replay myself, but I find it distasteful they did little to nothing to fix the broken ass quest system :/
Vita - rises!
WiiU - Iwata: "Nothing until July". Limbooooooooooo~
Vita - rises!
WiiU - Iwata: "Nothing until July". Limbooooooooooo~
Evolution_1ne
Banned
Lol why should it be competitive, now he gets it
metalslimer
Member
Vita will likely to continue to get more niche games, but who is going to actually try with a substantial Vita project when Vita's western prospects are a nightmare right now. With games Vita can turnaround in Japan, but nothing is saving it in the west.
How about actually explaining instead of talking to yourself?
I'm sorry I'm really not seeing this amazing shift you're talking about. What was announced recently to make you think all this?
How about actually explaining instead of talking to yourself?
I'm sorry I'm really not seeing this amazing shift you're talking about. What was announced recently to make you think all this?
That's pretty amazing!
Read the entire first page before posting? lol
Magicpaint
Member
That really says a lot. The WiiU has a very massive hole to climb out of. The strength of Nintendo's IPs can still give it respectable portion of the NA market, but it's hard to see things turning around for the system in Japan and Europe. That 9m target is not happening.
For a system that used to do 5k and below I would say that's a pretty good recovery.
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
It's ok, Vita isn't going to steal 3DS gaemz anytime soon.
I just told you...
The shift shows clear signs. psp/vita games selling well on Vita for exemple. psp selling now less good than vita. Those things show that the transition exists. Many games probably started their dev late and will be announced till the end of the year. Sony is pushing, don't worry about that. They knew from the start the road would be long and slow. But now they are in the right direction at least. In Japan.
Good week for the Vita. 20k is by no means great but its far better than where it was even though I feel people go overboard whenever its sales seem to go up just a tiny amount.
Creamsugar could confirm in the next NPD thread that the Vita sold 45k in the US I get the feeling people would go crazy over that even though it would still be a terrible number.
Creamsugar could confirm in the next NPD thread that the Vita sold 45k in the US I get the feeling people would go crazy over that even though it would still be a terrible number.