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ZSaberLink
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Yeh no kidding...
According to Dengeki it already has (although Dengeki's #s for MK8D are weirdly inflated...).
JonnyDBrit
Member
The intent of the pun was more a burst of supply for the sake of the ARMS release. Obviously the demand is there, but for whatever reason - whether deliberate, incompetence or longer term scheduling - Nintendo isn't meeting it, and needs to do so by their next releases.
You got a point here, still pretty underwhelmed by those sales.
Well, the Escape in the title is a reference to Room Escape games, not just "escaping death".
Regarding Nintendo Switch sales/shipments, not expecting much until ARMS is out. Expecting weekly 20-30k until then.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Oh boy...is the party over?
The irony is perfect, its almost planned
Possumowner
Member
Well pretty much everything back down with a bump.
Last thread people were mocking PSVR sales and it was sold out, heh.
Famicon Mini sold 580k in Japan in 2016.
It was the best selling system on Christmas after 3DS.
FW and LTD sales up to 1st of January 2017
Famicom Mini - 261.381 / 580.847
PlayStation 4 Pro - 65.285 / 130.811
PlayStation VR - 51.644 / 77.332
Are you talking about PSVR or Switch?
Way to just ignore all the dynamics surrounding creating stock. Instead of artificial scarcity bullshit, you could consider the alternative view that Nintendo just suck big time at anticipating demand and therefore are always over- or undershipping:
- Gamecube sold bad, so they undershipped for Wii;
- Wii sold well, so they ended up massively overshipping for Wii U;
- Now they are undershipping for Switch, after bad sales from Wii U.
This a much more logical explanation than artificial scarcity, which damages the install base size and software sales numbers as well.
Koei-Tecmo only made one other AoT game, on PS (and that one was indeed an action game). The previous one was from Spike-Chunsoft, also an action game (ended up selling a damn lot, for what it is).
I guess they were aiming for a much more casual audience + women this time.
The Horror the horror
Banned
Except this is a Nintendo handheld device, not a traditional home console.
They should have known better.
Absolutely agree with you there. However I think they do regard it as a console, or at least firmly believed the market would see it as such, and made all their faulty predictions from there. Reflects poorly on their prediction skills, for sure.
Last time I checked 3DS was a handheld too.
The 3DS was overshipped and bombed after launch too.
Switch $300 'handheld' Vs 3DS $250 handheld.
It's not exactly a generalisation that can be made.
Except the 3DS was also overshipped during its first year until they slashed the price.
The Horror the horror
Banned
Furthermore, what's the harm in overestimating demand and over-supplying in these early stages of the system's life? Say they flood the markets with Switches and no one's in the rush to buy them. Nintendo could always scale back production in response and the glut of Switches in the wild will sell off eventually.
D.Lo
Member
Just like you can't ramp up production quickly without exponential growth of your costs, you cannot scale back production without wasting sunk cost either.
There is not a line of switch making machines that can simply have the switch flicked to 'double speed'. Extra production means more lines of production. Ramping it down means mothballing or dismantling lines of production. The latter is to be avoided whenever possible because it's pure waste.
There's still a certain amount of the product that retailers will take at a certain time. If you overship way too much (like what happened with the Wii U), you run the risk of having to store significant amounts of units in warehouse for prolonged periods of time, and in extreme cases may even have to buy units back from retailers (all this happened with Wii U). Combine this scenario that they definitely don't want with an underappreciation of the potential of the Switch, and that's how you get undershipments for a system. They already said they would ramp up production, so hopefully they are ramping up enough so that in the course of June/July a significantly improved supply situation has been created.
Nintendo don't use warehouses to store unsold stock, they ended up paying retailers to keep Wii U stock on shelves instead of having them return it to Nintendo.
That causes Nintendo to lose money however, you might wanna check how much money THQ lost from storing unsold stock of the Udraw in warehouses before you suggest Nintendo should store their unsold stock in warehouses.
You mean retail Switch + WiiU BOTW, right? Because with digital, it's already well over 600k.
By the way, do we have Famitsu's digital estimates for April?
It's costly to store excess units, damages retail relationships, causes retailers to demand the producer to buy back units or run promotions, etc. The Xbox One is a prime example of having to deal with an overshipped product. You can't just lower production like that either, it's no easier than increasing production.
wait, really? I thought hey has been using warehouses like other companies
They have inventory but it's not the same thing as having warehouses to store unsold stuff they already shipped.
Imagine how costly it would be for them to have warehouses across the Americas and Europe to store unsold stock that was returned to them because retailers couldn't sell it.
Low sales overall but Im guessing the Switch is low because of low stock. Its not like you can walk in a store and find one easily.
Looking at the 3DS sales, it probably has one good year left in it but I fully expect Nintendo to release a next generation handheld next year. Maybe it will share features and architecture from the Swith but it doesnt necessarily have to. There is a market for handhelds as well. Looking at how stacked the Switch line up already is for Nintendo, it would be a mistake to only support the Switch going forward. They have too many development teams/partners to only focus on one device.
Looking at the 3DS sales, it probably has one good year left in it but I fully expect Nintendo to release a next generation handheld next year. Maybe it will share features and architecture from the Swith but it doesnt necessarily have to. There is a market for handhelds as well. Looking at how stacked the Switch line up already is for Nintendo, it would be a mistake to only support the Switch going forward. They have too many development teams/partners to only focus on one device.
Skittzo0413
Member
Yeah, which is exactly why they had their first loss in decades the year after the Wii U came out.
I would imagine though that they're holding a percentage of produced Switches so that they can distribute them during the holidays this year.
I think you got the wrong year.
Their first financial loss in decades was due to trying to save the 3DS by doing the huge price cut which caused them to have a net loss because people weren't buying enough software to make up for the difference.
Wii U didn't cause them a financial loss because by then because the 3DS was barely keeping Nintendo afloat.
darkstar0155
Member
Its selling 1 copy for about every 2 switches sold. Hard to see how it wont break 1 million eventually.
The Horror the horror
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Interfectum
Member
Any guesses on what Sony's long term plan for Japan is? Just give it to Switch?
PSE? 
the Wii U really made Nintendo's supply chain go into an ultra conservative mode that they are having trouble reverting on time with the explosive Switch demand.
at least on the Wii days you could say their supply was the best it was possible since it was outpacing even the PS2 but these sales don't seem that high.
at least on the Wii days you could say their supply was the best it was possible since it was outpacing even the PS2 but these sales don't seem that high.
Skittzo0413
Member
I thought the year ending March 2014 was their big loss, and it had a fair bit to do with storing the unsold Wii U consoles. I could very well be remembering wrong.
Maybe the year ending March 2013 was their first loss but 2014 also saw a loss?
It should be fairly close to Wii numbers right now worldwide, without the benefit of a holiday season. I don't think anything could compare back to the Wii or PS2 in Japan these days, but the numbers really aren't that bad overall.
Nintendo 3DS games once again stable, pretty impressive. I guess Summer holidays will be the first real test for YoY comparison, since Q1 and Q2 are usually low.
New Nintendo 2DS XL + Dragon Quest XI are going to make comparisons interesting. Last year, Pokémon GO didn't have too much of an impact (compared to the west, that is).
New Nintendo 2DS XL + Dragon Quest XI are going to make comparisons interesting. Last year, Pokémon GO didn't have too much of an impact (compared to the west, that is).
Yeah only retail.
The game has a brilliant attach rate so far but I fear with Arms and Splatoon 2 coming out soon the attach rate will start to decrease.
Any guesses on what Sony's long term plan for Japan is? Just give it to Switch?
PSE?
with 4k gaming on the go, also with 4k Rumble
Those are multiplayer focused games, Zelda is the perfect complementary game.
darkstar0155
Member
I just don't see it. If MK8D which many thought would affect it, didn't do it, I doubt Arms will. Maybe SP2 but there really isn't another good long single player game outside of BotW. MK8D/Arms/SP2 all feed the multiplayer market, but nothing other than BotW fills the single player market.
Skittzo0413
Member
Somehow I keep forgetting to subscribe to that thread, thanks!
Any guesses on what Sony's long term plan for Japan is? Just give it to Switch?
PSE?
PSE with Pokemon Stars/MH5/YW as launch titles...!
Play Playstation games on the go!