woah woke up on the wrong side of the bed? considering capcom published the previous gta games i was curious and at first glance i just thought that rockstar games mention was just the developer but yes if i had paid closer attention i would have realized it is the publisher. thanks....
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Media Create Sales: Week 28, 2014 (Jul 07 - Jul 13)
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woah woke up on the wrong side of the bed? considering capcom published the previous gta games i was curious and at first glance i just thought that rockstar games mention was just the developer but yes if i had paid closer attention i would have realized it is the publisher. thanks....
Capcom hasn't published a GTA game since San Andreas.
small44
Member
None of them are from big IP so it's not bad
Waluigilicious
Member
Anyone have any MK comparison numbers? MK8 getting close to Double Dash?
If none of the big established IP aren't publishing on your system because they think they can't be profitable on it, then it is a challenge.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Monster Hunter 3DS pre-orders at Comgnet:
MH3G: 48pt > 53pt > 75pt
MH4: 21pt > 95pt > 152pt
MH4G: 23pt > 28pt > 74pt
EDIT: Missed a day, fixed now.
MH3G: 48pt > 53pt > 75pt
MH4: 21pt > 95pt > 152pt
MH4G: 23pt > 28pt > 74pt
EDIT: Missed a day, fixed now.
I would say God Eater is a big IP in this context. Unsurprisingly it is also the #1 title on Vita. Phantasy Star will also be a big IP, so we'll see it if performs as well or better.
You mean that none of the >200K Vita titles is from a big IP? God Eater was over 500K with its first release. Two Final Fantasy remakes are among those numbers as well.
I'm also not sure why it really matters. The "PS4 is doing fine for a system with no games" excuse works only because we know that the big stuff hasn't landed yet. Phantasy Star aside, there are no signs that any big series will hit the Vita.
God Eater is a pretty big IP. So is Final Fantasy, although that one's just an HD Remaster.
Looking at all the current gen systems for 200k+ sellers.
3DS: 57 (40 over 300k)
Vita: 7 (1 over 300k)
Wii U: 7 (5 over 300k)
PS4: 1 (1 over 300k)
It took till 4-13-2009 week to hit 1 million for Famitsu
3-23-2009 for MC
1 million difference in the ltd atm, hard to determine when it will as the weeks are about to hit sub 5k and we dont know what kind of holiday its going to have.
small44
Member
You can't know if you don't try,if small IP is doing well big IP could also doing well
There is a lot of other ip bigger then God Eater,it's a big IP on Vita but not but not compared to other IP not in Vita
sörine;121271092 said:
Final Fantasy is a port do you think a port will sell like an original Final Fantasy games and God Eater is multi-platform so both of those games are doing well considering the size of those IP
All other consoles are getting more midium popular Ip that's why they had more 300k+ titles
Wonder if PS4 can do the impossible and have a worse holiday season than Vita 2012.
Well, if I made a lot of money from my own franchise, I'd probably use it to fund a sequel in another company's. So I think that's about right.
That's not even their franchise...
Makes sense to me too.
Considering the current announced release schedule, I dont think anyone would be surprised.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Highly likely actually considering the release schedule.
Is that your snotty way of saying that Sony owns the rights? Man, I don't know what to think anymore.
yes.Is that your snotty way of saying that Sony owns the rights? Man, I don't know what to think anymore.
You never know until you try, but who is going to try that hasn't already? Konami, Square Enix, and Capcom have already displayed about as much interest in the Vita as they're ever going to.
Is that your snotty way of saying that Sony owns the rights? Man, I don't know what to think anymore.
Well, I was trying to be jovial, but yes.
Cornbread78
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wow, the poor numbers for PS4 continue... They really need to get some compelling software out for it in Japan ASAP.
I don't really see many "big IP" options for the Vita which make sense at this point. I suppose the ones which make the most sense and would probably be successful and not very risky would be a Gundam Extreme Versus port. The PSP and PS3 versions of the series were very popular, and being a multiplayer-centric game, it would fit perfectly with the Vita's userbase.
Aside from that, I'm not seeing many options:
- Square Enix stuff are probably off the table because they're having so much trouble just developing FFXV and KH3 as it is. There's definitely no internal manpower left for stuff which were very successful on the PSP previously like Dissidia, Birth by Sleep, Crisis Core, and Type-0.
- Resident Evil is probably also off the table because Capcom didn't like the results it had on the 3DS - a much more successful portable platform.
- Yakuza never performed as well as the PS3 titles on the PSP, and if they weren't willing to invest in a full proper game on the PSP, I don't see them doing one for the Vita. They probably don't think spinoffs are worthwhile at this point either.
- Monster Hunter is locked on the 3DS right now as far as proper sequels go, since that's where they moved the fanbase to.
- Metal Gear Solid is another series which probably doesn't make sense due to development resources. Peace Walker sold really well because Kojima was driving the development personally, but with MGS5 there isn't going to be time for distractions.
- Tales is another series which will probably stay on consoles from now on given how they've rediscovered where the fanbase really wants their proper Tales games.
There simply aren't that many "big IPs" in Japan these days when we're looking at third party stuff for Sony platforms.
Not really. At least not on Sony platforms. God Eater sold 617k. That's a huge IP in Japan on Sony platforms these days. It's the 13th best selling PSP game of all time, and if those were PS3 numbers it would have been the 8th best selling PS3 game of all time.
Thank you. I guess now I know who to send my angry letters to.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Persona R lol
Dark Cloud is owned by Sony. Maybe another Ghibli game. It did well for them. Or maybe they will hoard the cash or spend it on mobile games.
SlipperySlope
Banned
The 3DS has three(?) games with a LTD higher than that of the Vita. One of them from a third party.
I'd say that's pretty bad.
If we combine the sales charts for PS3 and PSP in Japan, God Eater will be the 20th best selling SKU. In that top 20, there are only 10 unique IPs. So yeah, God Eater is big IP for Sony platforms in Japan.
Here are the IPs which outsold God Eater on PS3 and PSP:
- Monster Hunter
- Final Fantasy
- Resident Evil
- Metal Gear
- Musou (One Piece)
- Kingdom Hearts
- GTA
- Tales
- Phantasy Star
Here are the IPs which outsold God Eater on PS3 and PSP:
- Monster Hunter
- Final Fantasy
- Resident Evil
- Metal Gear
- Musou (One Piece)
- Kingdom Hearts
- GTA
- Tales
- Phantasy Star
small44
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People who buy a Vita are the same as people who buy a PSP if those games does well on PSP those games would probably doing well on Vita.
I won't support developpers who don't make any risk
That's a very broad view of the handheld market in Japan.
If you look more closely, you'll see that the people who bought a PSP have essentially already bought a 3DS because of MonHun... which is why they bought a PSP originally.
small44
Member
I'm sure they would also buy a Vita if it get a Monster Hunter games but since the install base in low Monster Hunter is the only games who i could accept not being on Vita but all other games could succeed.
You can choose to support whatever developers you want for whatever reasons you want. You're entitled to that and I doubt anyone's going to argue otherwise. You're also probably right to think that the games that would do well on PSP would do well on the Vita.
However, it's important to understand that these publishers are not going to take these risks, as Duckroll has clearly pointed out. Whether these franchises would be successful on the Vita or not, they're not going to be there, and that might be a better decision for the company controlling the franchise. They can use their resources elsewhere.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
I wonder if Japan is as cynical about Nova as many in GAF appear to be. Guess we'll see from the reception to the demo.
tilinelson2
Banned
Back then, many users came to Media Create threads every week only to post "3DS beast mode, everything else is dead", so nothing new.
I am pretty sure that for many people who post "beast mode", it isn't an ongoing joke.
I didn't make any judgement on their sales and I'd agree they sold fine for what they were. Just because they didn't break 500k though doesn't mean they're not big IP, that's circular logic.
I'd say the same for MH3U and DQX on Wii U. Both sold fine for what they were, even if they didn't break 500k and both were big IP.
Historical debut for Yokai, good (but not huge looking at the past of the console, imho) boost for the 3DS, good response for the Vita bundle, both MK and Freedom wars continue doing well. On the other side, home consoles are really weak in Japan.
I'm starting to doubt that PS4 could match its predecessor's LTD in Japan (initially I tought it was going to be the only one able to do so, but now...), while the Wii U seems still struggling to match GC LTD numbers...
I'm starting to doubt that PS4 could match its predecessor's LTD in Japan (initially I tought it was going to be the only one able to do so, but now...), while the Wii U seems still struggling to match GC LTD numbers...
Infernal Monkey
Member
Go go handhelds <3
small44
Member
If a hd remaster does well a real game would do a lot better their is no risk to develop MGS or Final Fantasy on Vita,developing on PSP was a higher risk then Vita since it's the first Playstation handheld.
Final Fantasy X / X-2 HD does well so why Final Fantasy type- 0 is not on Vita,3rd party know people would buy even port so they only think about super easy money i won't respect those kind of third party.
http://winningelevenblog.com/blog/pes-year-on-year-sales-down-by-1-8-million-units/
FIFA is growing every year while PES is shrinking massively. You're right that the majority of sales don't come from Japan, but they're still a pretty big part of the pie.
I have no source for this, but I'd guess that FIFA is one of the biggest sellers for Vita in football-crazy territories such as Spain, Portugal, Italy and South American countries. If Konami took the effort to release a good version PES on it, people would probably migrate to that instead of buying FIFA 11 again and thus could have one of the biggest sellers on the platform (not that it means much).
djplaeskool
Member
There's some legit anticipation on the ground.
Evidently, it had a good showing and good reaction during Phantasy Star Festa 2014 presentation.
Personally, it's one of my most anticipated releases (hopefully) this year.
We're just cynical because it's a Sega game in a series in which recent titles have missed the localization boat all together with barely the bat of an eye from Sega over that fact.
Here in Spain, most people I know are still waiting for a good PES to go back (in every console, not only vita), PES was so massively popular in the ps2 and start of 360/ps3 era. They buy FIFA now, but if PES was good again, they'd jump back in a heartbeat.
I'm happy to see Level 5 making big money again (And without having to rely on someone else's IP this time.), but I can't help but feel a twinge of sadness that this success has to be coming from something as rubbish looking as Yokai Watch. Everything I've seen of those games just looks rank as hell, and as they won't be coming out here anyways it appears, they likely won't get the chance to prove me wrong either.
Worst thing is that this will also mean that franchise is all they're likely to make from here on out.
Worst thing is that this will also mean that franchise is all they're likely to make from here on out.
This INSANE! Yokai Watch 2 surpassing it's predecessor sales in just a freaking week! I don't know guys but I think this franchise could be another phenomenon almost like Pokémon. It's incredible that it could manage to sell more than a million copies on a single week in a market that has been pretty weak lately. Huge props to Level 5 and Nintendo. Even Vita! Wii U holding spot as top home console wich is nice. PS4 however...
That's true. I agree with you. But these companies are not going to make decisions simply because there is no risk; they are thinking in terms of opportunity cost. The issue isn't that these companies are afraid of losing money. It's that they can use those same resources, they ones that they could use to make original Vita games in their big series, and use them somewhere else. Somewhere else that will make them more money than the Vita can.
For better or worse, that's what's happening. That's why the Vita is where it is right now.