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[DarkLordMalik]

First day sellthrough:

[PS3] Dead or Alive 5: Ultimate - 60%
[PS3] [360] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 50%
[PSV] Killzone: Mercenary - 30%
[PS3] Puppeteer - 10%
[WIU] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 3-5%

So a game with jiggling is selling more than a genuine and good new platformer. What's new Japan?

Spoiler

That is why we can't have nice things :[

 

[Fisico]

First day sellthrough:
[WIU] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 3-5%

Shipment couldn't have been big to begin with, it will not even chart in Dengeki top 50...

 

[Infernal Monkey]

[PS3] [360] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 50%
[WIU] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 3-5%

I said wow.

[PS3] Puppeteer - 10%

I said ow.

 

[Glass Rebel]

First day sellthrough:

[PS3] Dead or Alive 5: Ultimate - 60%
[PS3] [360] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 50%
[PSV] Killzone: Mercenary - 30%
[PS3] Puppeteer - 10%
[WIU] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 3-5%

Lower than the framerate, ouch

 

[1st Course]

First day sellthrough:

[PS3] Puppeteer - 10%
[WIU] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 3-5%

Yikes

 

[hongcha]

First day sellthrough:


[PS3] [360] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 50%
[WIU] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 3-5%

This is telling.

 

[test_account]

3-5%, is that the lowest ever? Well, Injustice had 4% if i remember correctly, and Blacklist could technically be 5%, but i dont think i've seen "3%" before.

Lower than the framerate, ouch

What?

 

[hongcha]

i dont think i've seen "3%" before.

It was probably common with 3DO and Playdia games.

 

[liger05]

The Wii U splinter cell shipment wouldnt of been that high either would it?

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

This is telling.

Holy shit I didn't see that. Third parties are dead on WiiU.

 

[Azusa]

First day sellthrough:

[PS3] Puppeteer - 10%

This game desperately needs cute girls. No moe, no sale. Right?

 

[NotLiquid]

I really wonder how well Rayman Legends will do for Nintendo/Ubisoft in Japan next month considering it's an exclusive there. I have a feeling that right now its the only thing Ubisoft will see any positive returns on as far as Wii U is concerned.

 

[BlackJace]

Noooo, Puppeteer.

lol at Splinter Cell Wii U.

 

[Glass Rebel]

What?

it was a joke about the 30fps in Puppeteer

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

it was a joke about the 30fps in Puppeteer

Its a stupid joke though because even if the game was 60fps it would still be lower.

 

[DrWong]

After Wonderful 010 here comes Puppetears.

Wiita and Vi U.

 

[Mpl90]

After Wonderful 010 here comes Puppetears.

Wiita and Vi U.

But Puppetters is on PS3.

 

[michaelius]

After Wonderful 010 here comes Puppetears.

Wiita and Vi U.

???

What has Vita to do with PS3 only game?

 

[DrWong]

Argh, f... No edit. I like my glorious fail.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Its a stupid joke though because even if the game was 60fps it would still be lower.

but 30 was at least reachable :x

 

[Durante]

[WIU] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 3-5%

Given the expected shipment of a western third-party title on WiiU, is that 2 or 3 digits sales?

 

[Prelude.]

Given the expected shipment of a western third-party title on WiiU, is that 2 or 3 digits sales?

Just take out the %.

 

[Canis lupus]

First day sellthrough:

[PS3] Dead or Alive 5: Ultimate - 60%
[PS3] [360] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 50%
[PSV] Killzone: Mercenary - 30%
[PS3] Puppeteer - 10%
[WIU] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 3-5%

Lost all hope in Japan.

 

[Sandfox]

I wonder if Puppeteer would have sold better if it was on the Vita.

 

[69wpm]

WTF Japan, first TW101 now Puppeteer?

 

[shink]

Oh dear Puppeteer.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

I wonder if Puppeteer would have sold better if it was on the Vita.

With these bomba sales, i do eventually see it coming to VITA as a cheap port after 1 year or so.

Yeh, a bomba game on a bomba platform doesn't bode well but knowing Sony, they might just make ports of a lot of last year PS3 games for VITA next year.

 

[Aquamarine]

I don't think that 3rd party to first party ratio should be compared like that.

You cannot sell what doesn't exist so no wonder 3rd party sales took a dive.

Instead we should be anylising every release separately to see if it matched possible expectations.

Not like it changes much in case of Wii U as literary everything bombed.

The point of that exercise was to measure relative retail presence, and at the moment, the Wii U's retail presence has been completely dominated by major 1st-party exclusives.

Shipments and sell-through are closely related. When there is consumer demand for a product, retailers indicate to the publisher they want more copies, and the publisher responds accordingly. Third party sales are so low because consumers aren't demanding them, not because they don't exist.

It's not a big deal if major first-party games light up the chart for a few weeks. The issue is when first-party sales create such a homogeneous environment that its retail exposure gets known only to consumers as Nintendo first-party.

Just take a look at Splinter Cell Blacklist sell-through on PS3 / 360 (50%) compared to Splinter Cell Blacklist sell-through on Wii U (3-5%). This is EXACTLY the kind of scenario that leads to third parties abandoning the console.

First day sellthrough:

[PS3] Dead or Alive 5: Ultimate - 60%
[PS3] [360] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 50%
[PSV] Killzone: Mercenary - 30%
[PS3] Puppeteer - 10%
[WIU] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 3-5%

That is such an extreme contrast, it's scary.

 

[Kenka]

First day sellthrough:

[PS3] Dead or Alive 5: Ultimate - 60%
[PS3] [360] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 50%
[PSV] Killzone: Mercenary - 30%
[PS3] Puppeteer - 10%
[WIU] Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Blacklist - 3-5%

 

[BlackJace]

The point of that exercise was to measure relative retail presence, and at the moment, the Wii U's retail presence has been completely dominated by major 1st-party exclusives.

Shipments and sell-through are closely related. When there is consumer demand for a product, retailers indicate to the publisher they want more, and the publisher responds accordingly. Third party sales are so low because consumers aren't demanding them, not because they don't exist.

It's not a big deal if major first-parties light up the chart for a few weeks. The issue is when first-party sales create such a homogeneous environment that its retail exposure gets known only to consumers as Nintendo first-party.

Just take a look at Splinter Cell Blacklist sell-through on PS3 / 360 (50%) compared to Splinter Cell Blacklist sell-through on Wii U (3-5%). This is EXACTLY the kind of scenario that leads to third-parties abandoning the console.



That is such an extreme contrast, it's scary.

Well, at least there's Rayman...right?

 

[test_account]

It was probably common with 3DO and Playdia games.

It might be. Pity to see such low sales figures :\

it was a joke about the 30fps in Puppeteer

Oh, i thought you ment that the the game had really low framerate (10fps and below, obviously not throughout the whole game, but many places in the game)

 

[Chris1964]

01./00. [PS3] JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: All-Star Battle # <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.08.29} (¥7.980) - 425.718 / NEW <80,95%>
02./00. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Real Reborn # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2013.08.27} (¥3.300) - 184.018 / NEW <89,00%>
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21./15. [3DS] Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies <ADV> (Capcom) {2013.07.25} (¥5.990)
22./04. [PSV] Super Robot Wars OG Saga: Masou Kishin III - Pride of Justice <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.08.22} (¥6.480)
23./21. [WII] New Play Control! Pikmin 2 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2009.03.12} (¥3.800)
24./24. [3DS] Little Battlers eXperience W: Ultra Custom <RPG> (Level 5) {2013.07.18} (¥4.400)
25./23. [PS3] The Last of Us <ADV> (Sony Computer Entertainment) {2013.06.20} (¥5.980)
26./19. [3DS] Hoppechan: Tsukutte! Asonde! Punipuni Town!! <ETC> (Nippon Columbia) {2013.07.25} (¥5.040)
27./26. [NDS] Pokemon Black 2 / White 2 <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2012.06.23} (¥4.800)
28./29. [WIU] New Super Luigi U <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.07.13} (¥3.885)
29./31. [3DS] Taiko no Tatsujin: Chibi Dragon to Fushigi na Orb <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.12} (¥5.040)
30./25. [PS3] Earth Defense Force 2025 <ACT> (D3 Publisher) {2013.07.04} (¥6.980)
31./00. [360] Lost Planet 3 <ACT> (Capcom) {2013.08.29} (¥6.990)
32./00. [PSV] Hotchkiss # <ADV> (Technical Group Laboratory) {2013.08.29} (¥5.229)
33./33. [3DS] Kuma-Tomo <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.06.20} (¥4.980)
34./14. [WIU] The Wonderful 101 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.08.24} (¥6.830)
35./16. [3DS] Conception II: Shichisei no Michibiki to Mazuru no Akumu <RPG> (Spike Chunsoft) {2013.08.22} (¥6.279)
36./32. [PSP] Dangan-Ronpa (PSP the Best) # <ADV> (Spike) {2011.11.23} (¥2.940)
37./34. [WIU] LEGO City Undercover <ADV> (Nintendo) {2013.07.25} (¥5.985)
38./30. [3DS] Zyuden Sentai Kyoryuger: Game de Kaburincho!! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.08.08} (¥4.980)
39./37. [3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission <TBL> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.02.28} (¥5.800)
40./38. [PSP] God Eater: Burst (PSP the Best Reprint) <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.06.06} (¥1.800)
41./43. [WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥5.985)
42./40. [3DS] Doki Doki! PreCure Narikiri Life! <ETC> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.08.01} (¥4.980)
43./44. [PSP] Super Dangan-Ronpa 2: Sayonara Zetsubou Gakuen # <ADV> (Spike Chunsoft) {2012.07.26} (¥6.279)
44./46. [3DS] Puyo Puyo!! Puyo Puyo 20th Anniversary (Special Price) <PZL> (Sega) {2012.12.13} (¥2.940)
45./00. [PSP] Seitokai no Ichizon Lv. 2 Portable # <ADV> (Kadokawa Shoten) {2013.08.29} (¥6.300)
46./45. [3DS] Tousouchuu: Shijou Saikyou no Hunter-Tachi Kara Nigekire! <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.07.05} (¥5.040)
47./28. [PS3] Dragon's Crown <ACT> (Atlus) {2013.07.25} (¥8.190)
48./07. [PS3] Dungeons & Dragons: Chronicles of Mystara <RPG> (Capcom) {2013.08.22} (¥3.990)
49./50. [WII] Super Smash Bros. Brawl <FTG> (Nintendo) {2008.01.31} (¥6.800)
50./35. [PS3] The Witch and the Hundred Knights # <RPG> (Nippon Ichi Software) {2013.07.25} (¥7.140)

Top 50

3DS - 22
PS3 - 9
PSP - 5
WIU - 5
PSV - 4
WII - 3
360 - 1
NDS - 1

SOFTWARE

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|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |
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|  ALL  |  1.039.000 |    461.000 |    931.000 | 27.533.000 | 31.927.000 |
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[Frodo]

Lost all hope in Japan.

No LOL this time?

 

[Chris1964]

01./00. [PS3] JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: All-Star Battle # <FTG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.08.29} (¥7.980) - 425.718 / NEW <80,95%>

Media Create is worried for second week sales. Sellthrough is high but preorders were 302k and the game showed little growth comparing to that number.

 

[marc^o^]

WTF Japan, first TW101 now Puppeteer?

That seems to be the cruel fate of lots of new IPs.

 

[Deleted member 125677]

That sucks for Puppeteers. Game looks great!

Lost all hope in Japan.

;_; aaawww, but you were so happy with the w101 bomba a week ago?

 

[DaBoss]

It seemed like Puppeteer was gonna bomb from the start and am expecting the same in the west. It's a shame since it seemed good and really interesting.

How was Sony's marketing for the game.

Another 3rd-party bomba for the Wii U.

Media Create is worried for second week sales. Sellthrough is high but preorders were 302k and the game showed little growth comparing to that number.

Looks like bad reviews and bad word of mouth will get to this game.

 

[Nisa65]

Dunno if it's already been mentioned yet but it seems retailers are selling JoJo for around half of its RRP. I picked up a copy at Geo today for 4000 yen which for a new PS3 title is pretty damn cheap.

 

[Chris1964]

Lost all hope in Japan.

If it wasn't on a Sony platform I'm sure you would keep hope alive.

 

[Canis lupus]

No LOL this time?

;_; aaawww, but you were so happy with the w101 bomba a week ago?

A sense of schadenfreude came over me then. Only happens when I see a high profile title bombing spectacularly. -_-

If it wasn't on a Sony platform I'm sure

Don't be too sure of yourself.

 

[1st Course]

That seems to be the cruel fate of lots of new IPs.

True, and even when they do well they sell about 200-300k max and that it.

Outside of few old IPs and licensed crap, it seems like nothing can push big numbers in Japan anymore.

 

[Chris1964]

Don't be too sure of yourself.

Sorry, I am.

 

[Road]

From Sinobi, these are the initial sales goals from Sony (not necessarily the first shipment):

[PS3] Puppeteer: 70k
[PSV] Killzone: Mercenary: 30k

He also says Gravity Rush has done 150k (including the "best" release).

Well, at least there's Rayman...right?

"This Week's Rabbids Land" is the demeaning description the blog adopted for the games with sell-through bombas. Let's see if Rayman can stop its predestined future.

 

[Ratrat]

It seemed like Puppeteer was gonna bomb from the start and am expecting the same in the west. It's a shame since it seemed good and really interesting.

How was Sony's marketing for the game.

The marketing was there. Tv commercials, ads. They even had physical demo discs at video stores.

 

[Canis lupus]

From Sinobi, these are the initial sales goals from Sony (not necessarily the first shipment):

[PS3] Puppeteer: 70k
[PSV] Killzone: Mercenary: 30k

He also says Gravity Rush has done 150k (including the "best" release).

Sounds like KZ sold as much as Puppeteer to me.

 

[Frodo]

From Sinobi, these are the initial sales goals from Sony (not necessarily the first shipment):

[PS3] Puppeteer: 70k
[PSV] Killzone: Mercenary: 30k

He also says Gravity Rush has done 150k (including the "best" release).

What do initial sales goals mean? First week sale? First month?

Puppeteer looks great. It deserves a lot more success. Hope it has good word of mouth and good legs. Gamers should be more receptive to new IPs, you know, since they complain so much about the same games coming out every year.

 

[darkside31337]

Poor Puppeteer.

Buying it day 1 but really anybody could have seen the bomba coming from the day the game was announced.

I wonder if it outsells W101 anyway.

 

[DR2K]

So a game with jiggling is selling more than a genuine and good new platformer. What's new Japan?

Spoiler

That is why we can't have nice things :[

Actually one of the best fighting games and easily TN best game. Try the f2p version for yourself.

Ps you can turn jiggling off.

 

[Frodo]

Poor Puppeteer.

Buying it day 1 but really anybody could have seen the bomba coming from the day the game was announced.

I wonder if it outsells W101 anyway.

It should have been a Vita title from the start.

If it doesn't outsells TW101 with PS3's user base I would be very very surprised.

 

[michaelius]

He also says Gravity Rush has done 150k (including the "best" release).

Nice one - I hope Sony annouces sequel on TGS.