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Media Create Sales: Week 37, 2017 (Sep 11 - Sep 17)

test_account

XP-39C²
My point is that big games like pokemon USUM do >80 points on its first day avaliable to preorder, it doesn't matter if they are 2, 3 or 4 months away from release, and MHW, just like SMO and other <500k titles opened at 20, comg points are just anecdotal- i just don't see big expectation for the game.
It doesnt really work like that though. It does matter how long the games are away from release. The longer away from release, the bigger chance of increase number until its released. Bigger advertisement pushes also usually happen closer to release. Both MHW and SMO will see a bigger uptick in preoder numbers as time goes by and the games getting closer to release. Some games are also have different pre-order patterns, so its not always possible to just compare numbers to numbers. If MHW did >80 points in its first week, it doesnt mean that it would sell similar to Pokemon. Its not really possible to explorate numbers like this when comparing different titles.
 

Principate

Saint Titanfall
disappointing projects =/= disappointing sales compared to the project itself
we have a console that was able to manage many hw units in a short period of time. we have some game with significant sales (Zelda, Splatoon, Kart, even Arms) but if you look at the global software sales we have very few games over 100k and many below 50k
this isn't a switch-poison effect (like, at all), but a picture of the actual software situation
very few significant software have been released for the platform so far

I was expecting FE Warriors to not be one of them, but it seems it will be.
We''ll see it's not that easy to predict overall outlooks for switch software sales due to it's supply constraints and launch period so I'll wait before making any such post mortems on major Nintendo linked games.
 

fortunato

Banned
disappointing projects =/= disappointing sales compared to the project itself
we have a console that was able to manage many hw units in a short period of time. we have some game with significant sales (Zelda, Splatoon, Kart, even Arms) but if you look at the global software sales we have very few games over 100k and many below 50k
this isn't a switch-poison effect (like, at all), but a picture of the actual software situation
very few significant software have been released for the platform so far

I was expecting FE Warriors to not be one of them, but it seems it will be.

Now you're talking about the fact that third party Switch offering is not top-tier during the first months... which has been known since forever.

At the beginning you wrote "The Switch games that for a reason or another don't set the chart on fire are piling up" implying that those games had higher expectations to begin with, or that software is not selling because of the hardware and that should be worrisome. In fact, we all knew that there were not third party games able to crack the 100k mark.

The vast majority of Switch releases sold about what expected if not much more.
 

noshten

Member
There are arguments about every possible position for a title, that's what people do, they debate. That someone made a position on something says nothing. It is absolutely not true that Mario Kart 8 performing poorly on Switch was a "common belief" by the time it was actually coming out.

I think it was a common belief up until the we saw the trend in terms of pre-orders and anecdotal reports from retailers. I think before Switch actually released majority of people expected it to sell worse or equal to MK8 in Japan, only 6 people in the prediction league for example predicted it to sell more than 1 million this CY. Which to me always seemed to underestimate demand for a handheld MK in Japan. Compare LTD sales of MK8 and MK7 and it's easy to say that MK8 did poorly relative to MK7 in Japan.
It wouldn't be surprising for example for MK8D to sell twice or three times the amount MK8 did LTD in Japan, especially if MK9 isn't announced in the next two years. Hell if Nintendo really wants to push the title they could always announce a Splatoon themed Cup and more battle stages for next spring. I believe MK8D is already well above 4 million sales WW and what better way for Nintendo to reengage the audience right before they release their paid subscription service next year.

A lot of the skepticism around MK8D and BotW I think was because of skepticism on GAF around the Switch. There were countless of posts talking about "no games" "just ports" "I already played this on my Wii U" "Switch is not a handheld" "Switch is too expensive to be a handheld" etc. Personally I addressed that back during the MK8D release week:

People who doubted MK8D, in a way doubted the system itself. To majority of handheld owners this is a game thats following MK7, same with Minecraft in a couple of weeks. These games are simply making their way to a portable and due to small audience of the Wii U it will also be their first MK8 experience for the majority of the owners especially in Japan. Switch as a device is simply far better than either the Wii U and 3DS and the launch lineup is miles better than either system.

In terms of MK8D - Battle Mode is actually something that will probably make MK8D a far greater game than the original especially on a device like the Switch. The portability and instant local/online is simply far greater strength than either Wii U or 3DS had at launch. We are talking a full class of students being able to play or enjoy something like MK8D without everyone having to have brought a Switch. The Switch is no doubt going to be one of the most popular gifts this year for kids.

The only reason MK8D isn't selling at the same speed as MK7 is because of the shortages Switch has faced since release - MK7 sold 1 million during it's first month. Granted that was a holiday and 3DS was selling 1.6 million during that same time-frame. If Switch is readily available this December(>1million) I think we'd see MK8D as the 2nd or 3rd most bought game physically on the system. My personal expectations for December in terms of Switch titles does depend on whether SMO bundle is the only way to buy a Switch this December. I could certainly see SMO selling >1000K if it's the only way to purchase a Switch in December and this to depress other title's performance. I also think we'd get physical Minecraft BT version in/before December

Without SMO bundle:
1) Splatoon 2 >850K
2) Minecraft* > 600K
3) MK8D > 500K
4) Super Mario Odyssey >450K
5) Zelda:BotW > 250K

With SMO bundle:
1) Splatoon 2 > 850K
2) Minecraft* > 500K
3) MK8D > 350K
4) Zelda:BotW > 150K
5) Arms > 100K
 
if you look at the global software sales we have very few games over 100k and many below 50k

How many global sales numbers do we even have? I think you're making assumptions.

Also, FEW will have a 40k-50k FW in Japan, but that's just Japan. What makes you think it won't do at least the same in NA/EU, where double of Switch units have been sold? The game also doesn't solely depend on its FW. A game like this will probably have legs of a month (and maybe a bit).

No doubt that FEW will be a >100k game globally and even in Japan, it has a good chance.
 

Principate

Saint Titanfall
At least Japan wise the decoupling of Splatoon 2 from the switch is good news in general first and third party wise. You don't want to jump through extra hoops to get a consumer to buy your product when the system is already limited and the most popular game is bundled with it so anyone interested in the system is forced to buy at least it.
 
Uuuuh, for those games to cross sales streams, we would need one to slightly overperform and the other to underperform pretty bad, don't we?

3D Land is over 2m. Mario 64 did 1.6m. If Odyssey performs lkke those it'll outsell Monster Hunter World. If it falls closer to Galaxy 1 & 2 MH will run away with it. I think Odyssey will settle around 1.3-1.4m or so thats why I expect a good race.


As a side note, unless I am missing something where is this global sales data showing lots of Switch titles under 100k?
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
People need a reality check when it comes to FEW - look how much Dynasty Warriors games have been selling in the past, look how much the FW mainseries usually sells and the Switch still being a rather young systems.

This project is a global release and supposed to sell for the next couple months, during which which the Switch install base will at least double.

Unless you have a really big release the FW numbers on a growing system like the Switch won't knock anyone away. It's all about the legs, which is why games like Bomberman or Puyo performed when people finally got the system and bought the games.

Not many FE fans would buy a Switch just for this game... But once they own the system that's a title they would pick up. So I don't get the overreaction whenever a Switch titles launches with sub 100k numbers. That will be the case for all releases except of the mayor ones.
 
Super Mario Odyssey has a good chance at selling over 2m as Super Mario 3D Land did. It will be harder for MHW to reach 2m, I think.

People need a reality check when it comes to FEW - look how much Dynasty Warriors games have been selling in the past, look how much the FW mainseries usually sells and the Switch still being a rather young systems.

This project is a global release and supposed to sell for the next couple months, during which which the Switch install base will at least double.

Unless you have a really big release the FW numbers on a growing system like the Switch won't knock anyone away. It's all about the legs, which is why games like Bomberman or Puyo performed when people finally got the system and bought the games.

Not many FE fans would buy a Switch just for this game... But once they own the system that's a title they would pick up. So I don't get the overreaction whenever a Switch titles launches with sub 100k numbers. That will be the case for all releases except of the mayor ones.

This is true. I do think that with a better roster and marketing, FEW would perform better, but what really matters is the legs. I certainly don't think the problem is the Switch (or New 3DS).
 

Vena

Member
I am starting to wonder if MvCI will open at more than USFII, this title is a mess. I don't even see it hitting a million nevermind the projected forecast of two million.

UK is now objectively known to be terrible. US Amazon the title never broke the Top 10 hourly and proceeded to vanish within a handful of days post launch. SteamSpy is not even 30k after a ~week. No one is buying this thing.

It doesnt really work like that though. It does matter how long the games are away from release. The longer away from release, the bigger chance of increase number until its released. Bigger advertisement pushes also usually happen closer to release. Both MHW and SMO will see a bigger uptick in preoder numbers as time goes by and the games getting closer to release. Some games are also have different pre-order patterns, so its not always possible to just compare numbers to numbers. If MHW did >80 points in its first week, it doesnt mean that it would sell similar to Pokemon. Its not really possible to explorate numbers like this when comparing different titles.

This was why I had initially consider XX to be a good comparison to W, but XX is also flying past it. That said, as was noted by Noshten, XX had a terrible ratio so scaling World up might better mimic XX. I will have to go back and look at recent major PS4 releases for their multiplier and see how that compares against other recent 3DS entries and XX, and scale accordingly.

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Also if the rumblings of next gen being 2019-2020, I don't think the PS4 will have any sort of chance to catch the PS3 on sheer time scales. Next gen hitting in this environment is going to squeeze out the PS4 faster than the PS3 and the PS3 enjoyed an extraordinarily long generation to chug along through.
 

L~A

Member
Not many FE fans would buy a Switch just for this game... But once they own the system that's a title they would pick up.

Yup.

Used.

***

An interesting bit about FEW is that during all the stage presentations at TGS, Hayashi said something along the lines of "Now, we know the Switch is hard to go by at the moment, but the game is also available on New Nintendo 3DS".

I think FEW is going to be the first game to be hindered by the Switch... or rather, its shortages. Not that it would sell 500k with ample supply, but it's definitely something that will play against this particular version at least.

Honestly not sure what to expect about FEW. Definitely lower FW and LTD, that's for sure, but other than that, will need more concrete data. Fortunately, FEW is out on Thursday, so that means Day 1 sell-through data.
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
Yup.

Used.
That's something every title has to live with even BotW and it will sell +1m once it's said and done.

Fact is that we saw with Hyrule Warriors that KT is willing to keep updating the titles over a long period of time and the DLC plans will probably keep Fans from getting rid of the game asap. Bride Lucina requires that extra commitment.

Switch will keep o selling, people will still pull shitty 3* in FE Heroes and FE Warriors will be relevant for some time as well of the DLC transaction are viable.
 

hiska-kun

Member
Back from vacations and finally with computer. Late for the party but here you have the graphs.

Switch vs 3DS
Switch.jpg

Code:
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|    |    Nintendo 3DS   |   Nintendo Switch |  Difference  | 
|    |    (2011/02/26)   |    (2017/03/03)   |              | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |   NSW - 3DS  | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
|  27|   60.781|1.672.785|   50.074|1.578.036|       -94.749|
|  28|   54.744|1.727.529|   45.439|1.623.475|      -104.054|
|  29|   49.076|1.776.605|   44.052|1.667.527|      -109.078|
|  30|   58.837|1.835.442|         |         |              |
|  31|   70.159|1.905.601|         |         |              |
|  32|   58.504|1.964.105|         |         |              |
|  33|   53.540|2.017.645|         |         |              |
|  34|   55.025|2.072.670|         |         |              |
|  35|   73.933|2.146.603|         |         |              |
|  36|   65.041|2.211.644|         |         |              |
|  37|  145.271|2.356.915|         |         |              |
|  38|  103.962|2.460.877|         |         |              |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|

PS4 vs PS3
ps4.jpg

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|    |   PlayStation 3   |   PlayStation 4   |  Difference  | 
|    |    (2006/11/11)   |    (2014/02/22)   |              | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |   PS4 - PS3  | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
| 185|   19.075|5.143.248|   26.384|5.276.853|       133.605|
| 186|   20.987|5.164.235|   29.482|5.306.335|       142.100|
| 187|   18.951|5.183.186|   24.660|5.330.995|       147.809|
| 188|   17.676|5.200.862|         |         |              |
| 189|   17.175|5.218.037|         |         |              |
| 190|   19.578|5.237.615|         |         |              |
| 191|   20.077|5.257.692|         |         |              |
| 192|   18.345|5.276.037|         |         |              |
| 193|   19.473|5.295.510|         |         |              |
| 194|   19.420|5.314.930|         |         |              |
| 195|   45.224|5.360.154|         |         |              |
| 196|   28.630|5.388.784|         |         |              |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|

MK8 DX vs MK8
Kart.jpg

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|    |   Mario Kart 8    |  Mario Kart 8 DX  |  Difference  | 
|    | [WIU] (2014/05/29)| [NSW] (2017/04/28)|              | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   | MK8DX – MK8  | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
| 19 |    4.517|  682.767|   12.474|  672.688|       -10.079|
| 20 |    3.996|  686.763|   10.526|  683.214|        -3.549|
| 21 |    3.625|  690.387|   10.971|  694.185|         3.798|
| 22 |    2.821|  693.208|         |         |              |
| 23 |    3.170|  696.378|         |         |              |
| 24 |    3.210|  699.588|         |         |              |
| 25 |   13.544|  713.132|         |         |              |
| 26 |    8.752|  721.884|         |         |              |
| 27 |   12.742|  734.626|         |         |              |
| 28 |   19.244|  753.870|         |         |              |
| 29 |   24.938|  778.808|         |         |              |
| 30 |   34.331|  813.139|         |         |              |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|

Dragon Quest Comparison
Dragon.jpg

Code:
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|    | Dragon Quest VIII |  Dragon Quest IX  |  Dragon Quest XI  | 
|    | [PS2]  2004/11/27 | [NDS]  2009/07/11 |[3DSPS4] 2017/07/29| 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|
|  1 |2.167.072|2.167.072|2.318.932|2.318.932|2.099.203|2.099.203| 
|  2 |  476.281|2.643.353|  612.671|2.931.603|  508.512|2.607.714|
|  3 |  203.618|2.846.971|  270.305|3.201.908|  207.762|2.815.476|
|  4 |  152.295|2.999.266|  179.612|3.381.520|  117.248|2.932.725|
|  5 |  104.211|3.103.477|  135.649|3.517.169|   52.746|2.985.469|
|  6 |   71.019|3.174.496|  126.682|3.643.851|   36.899|3.022.368|
|  7 |   37.507|3.212.003|   79.103|3.722.954|   25.140|3.047.508|
|  8 |   23.858|3.235.861|   71.318|3.794.272|   16.402|3.063.910|
|  9 |        ?|        ?|   50.063|3.844.335|         |         |
| 10 |        ?|        ?|   36.877|3.881.212|         |         |
| 11 |        ?|        ?|   32.603|3.913.815|         |         |
| 12 |        ?|        ?|   30.086|3.943.901|         |         |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|
|Year|   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   |   YTD   |   LTD   | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|   
|Total        -|3.319.607|        -|4.143.999|        -|3.063.910|      
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Total Software
software_total.jpg
 

Vena

Member
Switch keeping parallel (if depressed) from the 3DS post price-cut is a good sign, Holidays will be interesting to see if Nintendo can muster the stock.
 
That's something every title has to live with even BotW and it will sell +1m once it's said and done.

Fact is that we saw with Hyrule Warriors that KT is willing to keep updating the titles over a long period of time and the DLC plans will probably keep Fans from getting rid of the game asap. Bride Lucina requires that extra commitment.

Switch will keep o selling, people will still pull shitty 3* in FE Heroes and FE Warriors will be relevant for some time as well of the DLC transaction are viable.

ok, what do you think its LTD will end up at
 

Zedark

Member
Hey look, MK8D surpassed MK8 on WiiU launch aligned! Pretty great performance by MK8D, outselling the original release (which sold over a million to boot).
 

Aostia

El Capitan Todd
Guys, with "global" I meant "Japanese sales judged by their absolute numbers
So, mine was more a consideration about the actual nature/value of the projects than anything else
And I was expecting FE Warriros to position itself a little bit higher than the low profile projects we have seen so far
Nothing more nothing less
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
Switch keeping parallel (if depressed) from the 3DS post price-cut is a good sign, Holidays will be interesting to see if Nintendo can muster the stock.
I feel like stock issues may persist going into the holidays. Don't they still do raffles for Switches in Japan?
 

Eolz

Member
I can't even imagine MvCI selling at less than USF2's opening week (17k).
It won't do much more, but come on...

I'll be impressed if Xenoblade 2 reaches 1 million worldwide. I still have some doubts about it reaching that, but here's hoping.

There's a chance. I believe it'll be closer to 800k, but being there in the platform's first year and having the good reputation of two previous games should help it go to around 1.1M LTD, especially when it'll be the first big JRPG on the platform (Skyrim will be the first big RPG, which is still pretty funny knowing how Bethesda thought about Nintendo in the past).
 
Switch vs 3DS
Switch.jpg

Code:
------------------------------------------------------------- 
|    |    Nintendo 3DS   |   Nintendo Switch |  Difference  | 
|    |    (2011/02/26)   |    (2017/03/03)   |              | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------| 
|Week|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |   NSW - 3DS  | 
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
|  27|   60.781|1.672.785|   50.074|1.578.036|       -94.749|
|  28|   54.744|1.727.529|   45.439|1.623.475|      -104.054|
|  29|   49.076|1.776.605|   44.052|1.667.527|      -109.078|
|  30|   58.837|1.835.442|         |         |              |
|  31|   70.159|1.905.601|         |         |              |
|  32|   58.504|1.964.105|         |         |              |
|  33|   53.540|2.017.645|         |         |              |
|  34|   55.025|2.072.670|         |         |              |
|  35|   73.933|2.146.603|         |         |              |
|  36|   65.041|2.211.644|         |         |              |
|  37|  145.271|2.356.915|         |         |              |
|  38|  103.962|2.460.877|         |         |              |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|

Super mario odyssey soon, the switch vs 3ds fight will be exciting in the coming weeks and months :)
 

Mr Swine

Banned
I really hope Nintendo has fixed their stock problems worldwide with the Switch as they said that they would do for fall. We are 13 weeks away from the biggest weeks of the year and I really do hope they have enough stock
 
Does anybody know the reason why the numbers for Pros vs Slims are so skewed towards the Slim?

It also makes me laugh every time I see the Xbox One numbers.

I just took a look at the Japanese site for the 2dsxl, that Lavender is delicious...ugh
 

KtSlime

Member
Does anybody know the reason why the numbers for Pros vs Slims are so skewed towards the Slim?

It also makes me laugh every time I see the Xbox One numbers.

I just took a look at the Japanese site for the 2dsxl, that Lavender is delicious...ugh

If you assume for a moment that graphics aren't the most important part of gaming, then it may appear that the price-value ratio isn't all that great for the Pro.
 

Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Sammy's Village

- Hello everyone, from now I'll be posting anecdotal evidence from my village here in Japan. Please anticipate the next episodes.

Pokémon vs Yo-kai Watch

- Pokemon food is literally rotting on shelves, while Yo-kai Watch food is currently sold out. This should explain the huge YW3 Sukiyachi drop this week. Fans are focusing on real food instead of virtual sukiyaki.



Level 5 and the food industry

- Now you can have snacks while playing Snack World, hihihiii. Is this a hint that a sequel is coming soon? Level 5 has a trend of naming sequels after food, and Snack World is showing legs on the charts, so Level-5 must be desperate to kill it before it succeeds any further.

 

L~A

Member
What the hell? Was expecting February/March, not December... Well, February/March might be western release, I guess.
 
December 21st for Atelier Lydie & Suelle is surprising to me. I was expecting either November/early December or February/March.

I think this game was originally scheduled to release in November (like Sophie and Firis), but has been secretly delayed?
 
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