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[Chris1964]

MH3G was almost certainly in development for Wii, before being shifted over to 3DS.

How else do you think they got it out so quickly?

Capcom has abandoned Wii long time ago. You don't know when its development started and even if it really switched platforms that's even worse.

 

[BurntPork]

Honestly, if the 3DS can't sell well in Japan after that lineup is said and done, I will join those who say the platform is doomed. As far as Japan-centric franchises go, that lineup is almost scary.

Yep. If 3DS doesn't hit at least 3 million by the end of the year with that line-up, something is horribly, horribly wrong. Hell, that's conservative. 3.5 million shout be the minimum!

I'm obviously speaking LTD here. That said, I think that the 3G bundle will actually cut 3DS's sales over the next few weeks, since that'll be the one that everyone wants, but it'll result in a god-tier sales explosion once 3G launches.

 

[Chris1964]

Do we know anything about supposed launch supplies? I mean, Sony didn't exactly stress any shelves with their last few launches.

We are one week away from the opening of Vita preorders, we should get estimates from retailers for initial shipment soon.

 

[test_account]

Honestly, if the 3DS can't sell well in Japan after that lineup is said and done, I will join those who say the platform is doomed. As far as Japan-centric franchises go, that lineup is almost scary.

As Iwata said, it is important to have a steady stream of good content. What was released 2-3 months ago doesnt matter that much today since "everyone" have already bought it. Nintendo didnt manage this that well with the Wii (i belive that Itawa himself said this), so it shall be interesting to see how they do with the 3DS.

It's sold out? Really?

And people were saying that it wouldn't sell on 3DS because it didn't do well on Wii...

The game isnt out before in 2 months, so i dont think that it can sell out yet. It is possible that Amazon stopped taking pre-orders though if they dont know exactly how much stock that they will get in.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Capcom said in a PR that it didn't make their expectations, though maybe they were overconfident in the game selling as well on a home console.

Did they really say this or did they say something like growth was sluggish? Because they're not really the same thing.

 

[Chris1964]

The game isnt out before in 2 months, so i dont think that it can sell out yet. It is possible that Amazon stopped taking pre-orders though if they dont know exactly how much stock that they will get in.

amazon stopped taking preorders because the available first shipment they would have is reserved. They don't start and stop preorders any time.

 

[test_account]

amazon stopped taking preorders because the available first shipment they would have is reserved. They don't start and stop preorders any time.

Is the first shipment set in stone 2 months ahead? I thought that sounded a bit too early.

 

[Chris1964]

First shipment =/= launch shipment

 

[BurntPork]

Is the first shipment set in stone 2 months ahead? I thought that sounded a bit too early.

It might be possible that they increase their order or something, but whatever they ordered for the first shipment has been reserved.

 

[test_account]

First shipment =/= launch shipment

Whats the difference? Do you mean that it wont be possible to order that bundle from Amazon.co.jp before 10th December (unless someone cancel their preorder)? Or do you mean that there are several of shipments before the launch? If it is the latter, then i'd say it is kinda semantics, because then they dont know exactly how much stock they will get in, which is what i said. But if they get a 2nd shipment before launch, i assume that they will open for pre-order again

It might be possible that they increase their order or something, but whatever they ordered for the first shipment has been reserved.

Yeah, that might be. But i ment that it is fully possible that they open for orders again before the game is launched.

 

[Mpl90]

Did they really say this or did they say something like growth was sluggish? Because they're not really the same thing.

Yeah, we need to find out if they think sales have been compelling or nor in the end.

 

[DGRE]

Did Nintendo heavily market Flora and Fauna? I really don't think Nintendo had high expectations for this...so, it doesn't really matter what expectations were put on it by anyone else.

 

[Datschge]

I'm not surprised the hardware bundle doesn't include one, as I suspect more people than not will be using the default controls.

Well, I thought the whole point of the slide pad was getting "hardcore" gamers to buy a 3DS who previously thought the controls on it were lacking. Not having an optically fitting bundle of a 3DS unit with a slide pad seems like an odd choice then. Ah well...

 

[extralite]

Yeah, that might be. But i ment that it is fully possible that they open for orders again before the game is launched.

Since you can cancel preorders at any time Amazon might be wary of taking too many pre-orders and increasing their reservation when some people might change their mind leaving Amazon with too many copies.

I know this is not really to be expected for big titles like these but pre-order bonus editions for most smaller games are readily available even after launch day on Amazon so they often stock too much of those. So the pre-order stops might be a general policy to avoid overstocking.

I didn't pre-order 3D Land quickly enough and now there's only the more expensive other merchants offering it on Amazon. I think this might be also to protect the interests of these merchants who are basically clients of Amazon Marketplace. This way Amazon can offer the games for a good price early and late customers can still get it at a higher price from Marketplace.

 

[Tenbatsu]

Capcom has abandoned Wii long time ago. You don't know when its development started and even if it really switched platforms that's even worse.

MH3G's been in development for the 3DS for almost 2 years.

 

[Chris1964]

Well, I thought the whole point of the slide pad was getting "hardcore" gamers to buy a 3DS who previously thought the controls on it were lacking. Not having an optically fitting bundle of a 3DS unit with a slide pad seems like an odd choice then. Ah well...

Hardcore gamers or true gamers?

Spoiler

ahaha

Promoting strongly the slide pad isn't at Nintendo's current plans.

 

[Rock_Man]

Comments
- DS software seems to free falling since the first couple of weeks of Pokemon Black/White sales are now missing.
- 3DS is now the second best selling system for the past year, but software sales are only one third of the fourth best selling system (Wii).
- PSP has sold more software the past year then Wii ever did in a single year.
- Watch the symmetry for PSP and Wii software sales lately.

 

[Road]

Famitsu FY 2011 first half conference
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201110/08051636.html


3DS Top 15 LTD (~2011-09-25)
[3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (Nintendo) {2011-06-16} - 182,998 / 405,333 / 45%
[3DS] Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracle (Level 5) {2011-02-26} - 117,589 / 331,569 / 35%
[3DS] Nintendogs + Cats (Golden Retriever, Toy Poodle, French Bulldog & New Friends) (Nintendo) {2011-02-26} - 68,973 / 330,196 / 21%
[3DS] Pokemon Rumble Blast (Pokemon Co.) {2011-08-11} - 91,613 / 182,988 / 50%
[3DS] One Piece: Unlimited Cruise SP (Bandai Namco) {2011-05-26} - 76,578 / 174,177 / 44%
[3DS] Samurai Warriors: Chronicles (Koei Tecmo) {2011-02-26} - 43,044 / 138,966 / 31%
[3DS] Super Street Fighter IV: 3D Edition (Capcom) {2011-02-26} - 38,557 / 125,291 / 31%
[3DS] Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D (Capcom) {2011-06-02} - 61,306 / 112,737 / 54%
[3DS] Tales of the Abyss (Bandai Namco) {2011-06-30} - 68,218 / 106,540 / 64%
[3DS] Ridge Racer 3D (Bandai Namco) {2011-02-26} - 34,663 / 104,893 / 33%
[3DS] Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 3D (Konami) {2011-02-26} - 26,222 / 101,088 / 26%
[3DS] Pilotwings Resort (Nintendo) {2011-04-14} - 27,729 / 83,926 / 33%
[3DS] Star Fox 64 3D (Nintendo) {2011-07-14} - 36,858 / 75,081 / 49%
[3DS] Gundam: The 3D Battle (Bandai Namco) {2011-03-24} - 19,556 / 58,778 / 33%
[3DS] Senran Kagura: Shoujotachi no Shinei (Marvelous Entertainment) {2011-09-22} - 53,951 / 53,951 / -


PSP FY2011 first half Top 5 (2011-03-29~2011-09-25)
[PSP] Super Robot Wars Z 2nd: Hakai-Hen (Bandai Namco) {2011-04-14} - 380,197 / 380,197
[PSP] Little Battlers eXperience (Level 5) {2011-06-16} - 306,712 / 306,712
[PSP] Taiko Drum Master Portable DX (Bandai Namco) {2011-07-14} - 243,080 / 243,080
[PSP] Pro Baseball Spirits 2011 (Konami) {2011-04-14} - 209,764 / 209,764
[PSP] Monster Hunter Diary: Poka Poka Airu Village G (Capcom) {2011-08-10} - 198,201 / 198,201


PSP FY2010 first half Top 5 (2010-03-28~2010-09-26)
[PSP] Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker (Konami) {2010-04-29} - 765,145 / 765,145
[PSP] Monster Hunter Diary: Poka Poka Airu Village (Capcom) {2010-08-26} - 451,635 / 451,635
[PSP] Hatsune Miku: Project Diva 2nd (SEGA) {2010-07-29} - 325,630 / 325,630
[PSP] Monster Hunter Freedom Unite [PSP the Best Reprint] (Capcom) {2009-12-24} - 204,655 / 437,501
[PSP] Pro Baseball Spirits 2010 (Konami) {2010-04-01} - 196,327 / 196,327


Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy
(Original, Ports/Remakes/Re-Releases and "Best" sales)

PSP hardware and software sales by fiscal year

Console gaming is dead

 

[Mpl90]

Famitsu FY 2011 first half conference
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201110/08051636.html


3DS Top 15 LTD (~2011-09-25)
[3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (Nintendo) {2011-06-16} - 182,998 / 405,333 / 45%
[3DS] Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracle (Level 5) {2011-02-26} - 117,589 / 331,569 / 35%
[3DS] Nintendogs + Cats (Golden Retriever, Toy Poodle, French Bulldog & New Friends) (Nintendo) {2011-02-26} - 68,973 / 330,196 / 21%
[3DS] Pokemon Rumble Blast (Pokemon Co.) {2011-08-11} - 91,613 / 182,988 / 50%
[3DS] One Piece: Unlimited Cruise SP (Bandai Namco) {2011-05-26} - 76,578 / 174,177 / 44%
[3DS] Samurai Warriors: Chronicles (Koei Tecmo) {2011-02-26} - 43,044 / 138,966 / 31%
[3DS] Super Street Fighter IV: 3D Edition (Capcom) {2011-02-26} - 38,557 / 125,291 / 31%
[3DS] Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D (Capcom) {2011-06-02} - 61,306 / 112,737 / 54%
[3DS] Tales of the Abyss (Bandai Namco) {2011-06-30} - 68,218 / 106,540 / 64%
[3DS] Ridge Racer 3D (Bandai Namco) {2011-02-26} - 34,663 / 104,893 / 33%
[3DS] Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 3D (Konami) {2011-02-26} - 26,222 / 101,088 / 26%
[3DS] Pilotwings Resort (Nintendo) {2011-04-14} - 27,729 / 83,926 / 33%
[3DS] Star Fox 64 3D (Nintendo) {2011-07-14} - 36,858 / 75,081 / 49%
[3DS] Gundam: The 3D Battle (Bandai Namco) {2011-03-24} - 19,556 / 58,778 / 33%
[3DS] Senran Kagura: Shoujotachi no Shinei (Marvelous Entertainment) {2011-09-22} - 53,951 / 53,951 / -

Oh, it seems Layton could approach 350k, or even 370k landmark for this Holidays.
A fall from the older entries results, and also consistent, but it should continue to sell even after Holidays since it was one of the launch titles.
Very good job for OP, almost 140k for Sengoku Musou are another good result... and finally Ridge Racer and PES reached it.
So many games reached at least 100k in Japan, not bad.
StarFox, continue to sell!
The heck at Gundam 3D Battle almost at 60k.

 

[electroplankton]

Interesting numbers!
So far, just Dead or Alive bombed on 3DS, all the other games seem to have performed quite well, in particular games like SSFIV and PES.

 

[Nuclear Muffin]

Those 3DS games have all had very good legs. OoT 3D will almost certainly pass Twilight Princess when all is said and done.

How do Nintendogs and Layton compare with the last entries in their respective series at the same point in time? (launch aligned)

Also, how does Super Pokemon Rumble compare to Pokemon Dash at the same point in time? (launch aligned again - though this isn't as good a comparison considering that Dash got a holiday boost, but I'm still interested anyway)

 

[cw_sasuke]

If 3DS would have launched for 15K sales those sales would be even bigger - but considerin the situation, most of them turned out fine.

 

[frankie_baby]

Those 3DS games have all had very good legs. OoT 3D will almost certainly pass Twilight Princess when all is said and done.

How do Nintendogs and Layton compare with the last entries in their respective series at the same point in time? (launch aligned)

anyone know what the last number we had for twilight princess was? methinking oot could crawl its way to 700 or 800k when all is said and done

 

[Mpl90]

anyone know what the last number we had for twilight princess was? methinking oot could crawl its way to 700 or 800k when all is said and done

http://gamedatamuseum.web.fc2.com/wiips3main.htm

554.109
Famitsu data.
This means that, thanks to Holiday, OoT 3D can seriously outdo it.

 

[frankie_baby]

http://gamedatamuseum.web.fc2.com/wiips3main.htm

554.109
Famitsu data.
This means that, thanks to Holiday, OoT 3D can seriously outdo it.

should trounce it, i can see it having a (small) bump due to the pink 3ds then another bump from the holiday

 

[cw_sasuke]

TP will probably get trounced by SS in its 2nd week.

 

[frankie_baby]

TP will probably get trounced by SS in its 2nd week.

i'm inclined to agree with you there though will depend how tight ninty are with the shipments

 

[Jaded Alyx]

http://gamedatamuseum.web.fc2.com/wiips3main.htm

554.109
Famitsu data.
This means that, thanks to Holiday, OoT 3D can seriously outdo it.

A compelling analysis.

 

[walking fiend]

I totally expect OoT to become an ever green title at least until the next one is released and even beyond that if the next one is 2D or toon or quite different in another way, there are lots of core people who didn't play the original in any form yet will get the 3DS and I think OoT will remain one of the best core games of the system for a long time.

 

[Mpl90]

A compelling analysis.

Oooh, how can I duck this running joke? It's everywhere.

 

[test_account]

Since you can cancel preorders at any time Amazon might be wary of taking too many pre-orders and increasing their reservation when some people might change their mind leaving Amazon with too many copies.

I know this is not really to be expected for big titles like these but pre-order bonus editions for most smaller games are readily available even after launch day on Amazon so they often stock too much of those. So the pre-order stops might be a general policy to avoid overstocking.

I didn't pre-order 3D Land quickly enough and now there's only the more expensive other merchants offering it on Amazon. I think this might be also to protect the interests of these merchants who are basically clients of Amazon Marketplace. This way Amazon can offer the games for a good price early and late customers can still get it at a higher price from Marketplace.

Good point about the potential of overstocking, i didnt think about this Probably wont be a problem with this MH bundle though, but i can see if Amazon want to take pre-caution anyway.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Oooh, how can I duck this running joke? It's everywhere.

Took me a second..

BWAHAHA

 

[ReyBrujo]

Just wondering, shouldn't a cumulative graphic be, like, cumulative? Lines cannot go down since your total sales cannot be lower than your total sales some time ago within the designed frame...

Also, just wondering since I haven't been around in a while, first day sales are still leaked or they don't do that anymore?

 

[cw_sasuke]

High Res Shot of 3DS Gundam Bundle

http://andriasang.com/comyik/

Thinks could get nasty in a couple of weeks.

 

[Kazerei]

Just wondering, shouldn't a cumulative graphic be, like, cumulative? Lines cannot go down since your total sales cannot be lower than your total sales some time ago within the designed frame...?

Each data point is the sum of the last 52 weeks, not the total sum.

 

[Mpl90]

High Res Shot of 3DS Gundam Bundle

http://andriasang.com/comyik/

Thinks could get nasty in a couple of weeks.

AR Cards also.
Bravo Namco.
You know how to sell your products.
Let's see if the market reacts positively to it.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Oh, it seems Layton could approach 350k, or even 370k landmark for this Holidays.
A fall from the older entries results, and also consistent, but it should continue to sell even after Holidays since it was one of the launch titles.

Layton's a series whose fanbase I think largely hasn't upgraded to 3DS yet, I think it's going to still have longer legs than the last couple DS entries. Might even pass 400k this year depending on how the 3DS userbase grows.

I think Level 5 should also consider a budget reprint sooner than later to help grow the fanbase on 3DS. Sort of like what Capcom did for Gyakuten Saiban on DS, reprints are what really grew that series to a 500k+ seller.

Very good job for OP, almost 140k for Sengoku Musou are another good result... and finally Ridge Racer and PES reached it.
So many games reached at least 100k in Japan, not bad.
StarFox, continue to sell!
The heck at Gundam 3D Battle almost at 60k.

Yeah, RR, Musou, PES and SSF4 all did pretty well in the end. Tales is a little disappointing though, what is it with Tales games and Nintendo systems?

I think both Star Fox and Senran Kagura are destined to join the 100k club.

 

[Nuclear Muffin]

Tales is a little disappointing though, what is it with Tales games and Nintendo systems?

Isn't TOA 3D roughly on par with Tales of Eternia PSP at the same point in its life? I'm pretty sure it's close at least (its legs are far stronger than any recent Tales of game though)

I think both Star Fox and Senran Kagura are destined to join the 100k club.

Yeah I think so too (assuming that they get a 2nd shipment of Kagura out quick enough)

Anyone got any sales data for Nintendogs DS, Pokemon Dash and Layton 4 at this point in their life?

 

[cw_sasuke]

Tales is a little disappointing though, what is it with Tales games and Nintendo systems?

Bad timing - it released just after the earthquake where the 3DS momentum was at zero. It still managed to sell decent.

I wonder which game they will port next - i would assume ToS could get a 3DS version. Its been nearly 10 years.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

dp- :x

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Isn't TOA 3D roughly on par with Tales of Eternia PSP at the same point in its life? I'm pretty sure it's close at least (its legs are far stronger than any recent Tales of game though)

I think their launches were similar, but Eternia had way better legs. On the other hand, Abyss seems to be doing better than all of the other PSP ports (Destiny 2, Rebirth, Phantasia FVE).

I wonder which game they will port next - i would assume ToS could get a 3DS version. Its been nearly 10 years.

Symphonia remake for the 10th Anniversary makes a lot of sense. It'll need an actual remake though, and that might be better saved for PS3 or Wii U.

I also wouldn't be surprised if we saw a spinoff (Narikiri Dungeon 4?) next on 3DS.

 

[Takao]

If ToI:R does well, I actually wouldn't hold my breath for a lot of Tales on 3DS. They found the Tales audience on consoles, and in the past generation they found the audience on handhelds, and I don't necessarily see them wanting to put games everywhere again.

Then again, this is Scamco.

 

[cw_sasuke]

Symphonia remake for the 10th Anniversary makes a lot of sense. It'll need an actual remake though, and that might be better saved for PS3 or Wii U.

I also wouldn't be surprised if we saw a spinoff (Narikiri Dungeon 4?) next on 3DS.

Yes, i would love a REAL reamke of ToS on WiiU/Ps3.

If ToI:R does well, I actually wouldn't hold my breath for a lot of Tales on 3DS. They found the Tales audience on consoles, and in the past generation they found the audience on handhelds, and I don't necessarily see them wanting to put games everywhere again.

Then again, this is Scamco.

I cant see the ignoring the 3DS since it will be probably the dominatin handheld and has the userbase advantage - they could go Vita only for handhelds, but that doesnt sound like Bamco at all.

Other than that, i would be suprised if ToI:R sells much.

 

[electroplankton]

Bad timing - it released just after the earthquake where the 3DS momentum was at zero. It still managed to sell decent.

It was released in June actually.

Anyway, even if 3DS would lose Tales of, it won't be such a great lack.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

If ToI:R does well, I actually wouldn't hold my breath for a lot of Tales on 3DS. They found the Tales audience on consoles, and in the past generation they found the audience on handhelds, and I don't necessarily see them wanting to put games everywhere again.

Then again, this is Scamco.

Expect to weep when Scamco announces Xillia f for Wii U in early 2012.

Actually, I wonder if they'll port Graces to 3DS next? Seems like a good fit.

 

[Takao]

Expect to weep when Scamco announces Xillia f for Wii U in early 2012.

Actually, I wonder if they'll port Graces to 3DS next? Seems like a good fit.

Why not Xillia F on Vita?

I cant see the ignoring the 3DS since it will be probably the dominatin handheld and has the userbase advantage - they could go Vita only for handhelds, but that doesnt sound like Bamco at all.

Other than that, i would be suprised if ToI:R sells much.

Well, last generation they banked all of their big handheld Tales games on DS, and each one did poorly compared to the spinoffs and remakes they dumped on PSP, and that's despite the huge userbase differences.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I think their launches were similar, but Eternia had way better legs.

Right.

And though it's not in the database yet, from the numbers a few posts up it looks like Abyss 3D is now about where TOE PSP was on its second week.

I cant see the ignoring the 3DS since it will be probably the dominatin handheld and has the userbase advantage

Well clearly they haven't ignored 3DS--it got Tales much sooner than original DS did. But if a first Vita Tales does quite a bit better it will probably just start looking like a repeat of how PSP Tales took off more than DS Tales.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Why not Xillia F on Vita?

Vita gets a barebones Vesperia port/conversion. Handhelds never get the "full" Tales releases post Tales of Beta, those always go to consoles (Symphonia PS2, Destiny DC, Vesperia PS3, Graces f). And 3/4s of those went to a competitor's console even (albeit a PlayStation, lol).

Well, last generation they banked all of their big handheld Tales games on DS, and each one did poorly compared to the spinoffs and remakes they dumped on PSP, and that's despite the huge userbase differences.

This sort of reinforces the point that 3DS will probably get more Tales though.

 

[Takao]

This sort of reinforces the point that 3DS will probably get more Tales though.

Oh? Weren't there 3 main games on DS, but like 10 spinoffs/remakes on PSP?

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Oh? Weren't there 3 main games on DS, but like 10 spinoffs/remakes on PSP?

Sure. DS still got 3 games though, arguably more significant games too, despite Tales selling somewhat better on PSP.

I don't see how this works against 3DS if the Vita games sell better?