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Media Create Sales: Week 43, 2016 (Oct 24 - Oct 30)

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
Why does everything need to get at Musou edition. Gameplay is shallow and Japan has stopped caring for all these collaborations. Mainline entries have almost disappeared likely because of the fear of another dive at sales.
 

Draxal

Member
Would that be assuming that there are no Yakuza fans who are also Berserk fans? This is one of my pet peeves, where people think of fanbases are specific static groups with no significant overlap. Berserk Musou is a game that is clearly targeted towards people who: a) want to play a Musou game, b) want to play a Berserk game, c) want a game that has both. We can't say that Musou doesn't have a fanbase on consoles, they clearly do. The fact that a much, much more popular franchise like Attack on Titan failed to take off in Japan as a Musou game, indicates to me that there is a more fundamental problem with the Musou franchise than the Berserk one.

Hardcore Berserk fans are definitely a niche and cannot be counted on, but there is enough awareness of the brand for it to have value if it delivers the experience general audiences of a certain demographic expect from it. Case in point: Dark Souls doing well for itself even though it is a series on consoles targeting a adult audience. The Dark Fantasy audience definitely exists, they're just clearly not impressed by this effort.

I honestly thought Musou and Berserk were a horrible fit, as musou's completely heroic violence while Berserk is dark, gorey violence which musou is horrible at portraying.

Why does everything need to get at Musou edition. Gameplay is shallow and Japan has stopped caring for all these collaborations. Mainline entries have almost disappeared likely because of the fear of another dive at sales.

Koei-Tecmo still has pretty strong artists and its popular request with games that have a very ship heavy fanbase, IIRC Touken Ranbu, Fate Stay Night, and Fire Emblem were the top three desired Musou crossovers in a poll, and those fandoms are all driven by shipdom. Musous works best when they work with games that don't have one dominant hero (that's berserk's issue and I thought Zelda did well despite of that) and the source cast is huge (which all three of those games have).

KT is just picking the wrong xover IPs.

Edit. It was Fate instead of Kancolle
 

Fisico

Member
Koei-Tecmo still has pretty strong artists and its popular request with games that have a very ship heavy fanbase, IIRC Touken Ranbu, Fate Stay Night, and Fire Emblem were the top three desired Musou crossovers in a poll, and those fandoms are all driven by shipdom. Musous works best when they work with games that don't have one dominant hero (that's berserk's issue and I thought Zelda did well despite of that) and the source cast is huge (which all three of those games have).

KT is just picking the wrong xover IPs.

Edit. It was Fate instead of Kancolle


Should we really take this poll seriously ?
I mean Touken Ranbu came first, I know it's somehow a hot otome IP right now but would that really translate into relevant sales if it was turned into a musou ?

Not to mention the 0 sales potential from western markets.

Also Fate already has its own musou coming soon.
 

L~A

Member
Leg-o-meter, October 2016


Nothing much happened this month, other than GTAV steadily climbing and going further into the Nintendo fortress (with Minecraft just behind). Unfortunately, Dragon Ball Fusions stopped just one week short of passing PowaPro PSV.

 

noobie

Member
Prediction League October 2016 Results

Congratulations to:

- Bruno MB, for winning by units!
- Ryng_tolu, for winning by mean error %!

Code:
    BY UNITS                                     BY MEAN ERROR % 
 
    01       Bruno MB     190.911                01       Ryng_tolu     32,25%
    02         DKHF       209.127                02    Jarod McChicken  32,60%
    03       Ryng_tolu    219.109                03        horuhe       35,57%
    04        horuhe      223.354                04     Kenzodielocke   39,16%
    05     Kenzodielocke  228.351                05        DrWong       40,39%
    06      astrogamer    254.327                06         DKHF        40,47%
    07         Aters      255.127                07         Aters       41,90%
    08        DrWong      270.151                08       Bruno MB      46,89%
    09        Fisico      278.674                09        Yeshua       49,56%
    10        noobie      282.309                10        noobie       51,08%
    11    Jarod McChicken 291.345                11      astrogamer     51,51%
    12         Mpl90      295.819                12        Fisico       52,80%
    13       Chris1964    329.401                13         Mpl90       57,01%
    14       casiopao     333.929                14         Eolz        59,09%
    15         Orgen      346.327                15       Chris1964     60,59%
    16         Eolz       367.327                16       casiopao      61,22%
    17        Yeshua      408.419                17         Orgen       63,82%

Code:
                                                  Famitsu    Yeshua  Jarod McChRyng_tolu  Bruno MB  casiopao   DrWong    noobie    Aters   astrogamerChris1964   horuhe     Eolz      DKHF   Kenzodielo  Fisico    Orgen     Mpl90
          [3DS] Monster Hunter Stories            246.400   120.000   180.000   200.000   250.000   330.000   208.000   290.000   210.000   260.000   321.098   211.087   340.000   232.000   287.000   311.113   317.000   194.820
         [WIU] Paper Mario: Color Splash           43.075    75.000    60.000    60.000    55.000    50.000    88.000    45.000    50.000    75.000    98.765    59.050    66.000    69.000    95.000    78.901   102.000   112.134
               [PS4] Battlefield 1                165.866   250.000   100.000   125.000   150.000   120.000   105.000   105.000   110.000   110.000   123.456   125.493    91.000   132.000   144.000   132.465   134.000   144.202
          [3DS] Mario Party: Star Rush             55.609    80.000    50.000    70.000   135.000   150.000    80.000   120.000   100.000   120.000   123.456    80.203   117.000    92.000    82.000   115.511   125.000   116.457
          [PSV] Macross Delta Scramble             32.512    25.000    35.000    40.000    50.000    67.000    32.000    55.000    35.000    42.000    56.789    39.370    48.000    44.000    32.000    59.731    46.000    59.901
         [PS4 + PS3 + PSV] Berserk Musou           39.151    65.000    55.000    65.000    90.000   100.000    60.000   110.000   110.000    90.000    67.890    74.217   101.000    76.000    65.000    70.000    83.000    55.033
[PS4 + PSV] Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization  140.509    80.000    80.000   150.000   145.000   135.000   110.000   150.000   130.000   130.000   123.456   109.901   112.000   121.000   100.000   130.123   111.000   177.540
       [PS4 + PSV] World of Final Fantasy         107.699    60.000    50.000    50.000   115.000   110.000    58.000    99.000    80.000    90.000    89.012    73.132    99.000    77.000    87.000    91.321    79.000    95.333

                TOTAL ABS. DIFF.                            408.419   291.345   219.109   190.911   333.929   270.151   282.309   255.127   254.327   329.401   223.354   367.327   209.127   228.351   278.674   346.327   295.819
                 MEAN ERROR %                                49,56%    32,60%    32,25%    46,89%    61,22%    40,39%    51,08%    41,90%    51,51%    60,59%    35,57%    59,09%    40,47%    39,16%    52,80%    63,82%    57,01%

Code:
                   STATISTICS                     FAMITSU   GAF_AVG     OVER     UNDER      MIN       MAX              CLOSEST BY
          [3DS] Monster Hunter Stories            246.400   250.713     53%       47%     120.000   340.000         250.000 Bruno MB
         [B][WIU] Paper Mario: Color Splash           43.075    72.874     100%       0%      45.000   112.134          45.000 noobie[/B]
               [PS4] Battlefield 1                165.866   129.507      6%       94%      91.000   250.000         150.000 Bruno MB
          [3DS] Mario Party: Star Rush             55.609   103.331     94%        6%      50.000   150.000      50.000 Jarod McChicken
          [PSV] Macross Delta Scramble             32.512    45.105     18%       82%      25.000    67.000          32.000 DrWong
         [PS4 + PS3 + PSV] Berserk Musou           39.151    78.655     100%       0%      55.000   110.000      55.000 Jarod McChicken
[PS4 + PSV] Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization  140.509   123.236     24%       76%      80.000   177.540         145.000 Bruno MB
       [PS4 + PSV] World of Final Fantasy         107.699    82.518     12%       88%      50.000   115.000         110.000 casiopao

Battlefield & Berserk Musou destroyed my prediction.. :(
 

test_account

XP-39C²
Then why reveal XX though Nintendo Direct? And what's the point of hiding the PS4 version?
Not related to PS4 version, but on that topic, whats the point of hiding the Switch release? Considering the launch dates, i think it will come for Switch, but i dont see why they would need to hide it. Switch was already announced when the Direct was aired.
 

Eolz

Member
Not related to PS4 version, but on that topic, whats the point of hiding the Switch release? Considering the launch dates, i think it will come for Switch, but i dont see why they would need to hide it. Switch was already announced when the Direct was aired.

The same reason that Nintendo doesn't want any publisher to confirm anything before January 12th. It's a bit dumb.
 

LordKano

Member
Not related to PS4 version, but on that topic, whats the point of hiding the Switch release? Considering the launch dates, i think it will come for Switch, but i dont see why they would need to hide it. Switch was already announced when the Direct was aired.

For the same reason Bethesda can't announce that Skyrim is coming on the Switch : they're keeping everything for the 13th January event.
 

Datschge

Member
At least for Japan it makes sense hiding the portable nature (and respective releases) until after the for Nintendo traditionally huge holiday shopping season.
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
Week 45, 2016 (Nov 7 - Nov 13)

new releases

{2016.11.09}
[3DS] Shephy _3DS Download Software_ |DL| <TBL> (Arc System Works) (¥462)
[WIU] Ninja Pizza Girl _Wii U Download Software_ |DL| <ACT> (CrossFunction) (¥1.000)
[WIU] TorqueL _Wii U Download Software_ |DL| <ACT> (FullPowerSideAttack.com) (¥925)
[PS4] Eagle Flight _PS Store Download Version_ |DL| <ACT> (Ubisoft) (¥4.800)
[PS4] Chaos Code: New Sign of Catastrophe _PS Store Download Version_ |DL| <FTG> (Arc System Works) (¥1.833)

{2016.11.10}
[3DS] PriPara Mezameyo! Megami no Dress Design # <ETC> (Takara Tomy) (¥5.400)
[3DS] PriPara Mezameyo! Megami no Dress Design (Gorgeous Pack) <ETC> (Takara Tomy) (¥7.800)
[3DS] PriPara Mezameyo! Megami no Dress Design (&#949;) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| <ETC> (Takara Tomy) (¥4.900)
[3DS] Saiki Kusuo no &#936; Nan: Shijou &#936; Dai no &#936; Nan!? <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥5.700)
[3DS] Saiki Kusuo no &#936; Nan: Shijou &#936; Dai no &#936; Nan!? (&#949;) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) (¥5.700)
[3DS] Beyblade Burst <ACT> (FuRyu) (¥5.780)
[3DS] Beyblade Burst (&#949;) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| <ACT> (FuRyu) (¥4.980)
[3DS] Rilu Rilu Fairilu Kira Kira Hajimete no Fairilu Magic <ACT> (FuRyu) (¥4.980)
[3DS] Rilu Rilu Fairilu Kira Kira Hajimete no Fairilu Magic (&#949;) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| <ACT> (FuRyu) (¥4.980)
[3DS] Akogare Girls Collection: Pika Pika Nurse Monogatari - Shounika Haitsumo Oosawagi <ADV> (Nippon Columbia) (¥4.800)
[3DS] Akogare Girls Collection: Pika Pika Nurse Monogatari - Shounika Haitsumo Oosawagi (&#949;) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| <ADV> (Nippon Columbia) (¥4.800)
[3DS] Boku wa Koukuu Kanseikan: Airport Hero 3D - Narita with Ana (&#949;) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| <PZL> (Sonic Powered) (¥5.800)
[3DS] Boku wa Koukuu Kanseikan: Airport Hero 3D - Shin Chitose with Jal (&#949;) _Nintendo eShop Download Version_ |DL| <PZL> (Sonic Powered) (¥5.800)
[PSV] PlayStation Vita Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star Edition Glacier White - Sony Store Limited Edition <H-W> (Sony Interactive Entertainment) (¥20.980)
[PSV] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star # <ACT> (Marvelous) (¥6.980)
[PSV] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star (Regalia Box for PlayStation Vita) <ACT> (Marvelous) (¥8.980)
[PSV] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star (&#949;) _PS Store Download Version_ |DL| <ACT> (Marvelous) (¥6.980)
[PS4] PlayStation 4 Pro CUH-7000 Series Jet Black <H-W> (Sony Interactive Entertainment) (¥44.980)
[PS4] PlayStation 4 Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star Edition HDD 500GB Model Jet Black - Sony Store Limited Edition <H-W> (Sony Interactive Entertainment) (¥33.480)
[PS4] PlayStation 4 Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star Edition HDD 1TB Model Jet Black - Sony Store Limited Edition <H-W> (Sony Interactive Entertainment) (¥38.480)
[PS4] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star # <ACT> (Marvelous) (¥7.980)
[PS4] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star (1)(Regalia Box for PlayStation 4) <ACT> (Marvelous) (¥9.980)
[PS4] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star (2)(Velber Box) <ACT> (Marvelous) (¥19.990)
[PS4] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star (&#949;) _PS Store Download Version_ |DL| <ACT> (Marvelous) (¥7.980)
[PS4] The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Special Edition <RPG> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥5.980)
[PS4] Bokosuka Wars II _PS Store Download Version_ |DL| <SLG> (Pygmy Studio) (¥2.500)
[PS4] Metal Gear Solid V: The Definitive Experience {Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes \ Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain} <ADV> (Konami) (¥3.980)
[PS4] Hatsune Miku VR: Future Live - 2nd Stage |PlayStation VR| _PS Store Download Version_ |DL| <ACT> (Sega) (¥2.500)
[XB1] The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Special Edition <RPG> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥5.980)
[XB1] Metal Gear Solid V: The Definitive Experience {Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes \ Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain} _Download Version_ |DL| <ADV> (Konami) (¥3.980)
[XB1] Bokosuka Wars II _Download Version_ |DL| <SLG> (Pygmy Studio) (¥2.500)
[PS3] The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Legendary Edition <The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Dawnguard \ The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Hearthfire \ The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Dragonborn> [PlayStation 3 the Best] <RPG> (Bethesda Softworks) (¥2.980)
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YSO predictions

01. [PSV] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star < 55k (average 50k)
02. [PS4] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star < 50k (average 45k)
03. [PS4] The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Special Edition < 30k (average 25k)
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
The same reason that Nintendo doesn't want any publisher to confirm anything before January 12th. It's a bit dumb.

Absolutely nothing dumb about it. They want to control the message and unleash all announcements at one spot/event for the biggest possible impact. They know they cant afford another WiiU situation.
 

Ōkami

Member
YSO predicts COD to have a lower first week than Battlefield 1 and a harsher second week drop too.

No Metal Gear either, not surprising given the price, you can get both games for less than what the Definite Experience asks.
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
Week 46 is the week of Pokemon. It will be the first time since December 2014 a week tops 2m software at retail. Maybe Pokemon alone will achieve this number.
 

Ōkami

Member
  1. [PS4] Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare - Legacy Edition - 155
  2. [PS4] Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 - 108
  3. [PS4] Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare - 51
  4. [PSV] Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization - 41
  5. [PS4] Battlefield 1 - 40
  6. [PS4] Atelier Firis: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Journey - 35
  7. [3DS] Mario Party: Star Rush - 33
  8. [PSV] World of Final Fantasy - 30
  9. [PS4] Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization - 28
  10. [PS4] World of Final Fantasy - 26
  11. [PSV] Atelier Firis: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Journey - 25
  12. [PS4] Titanfall 2 - 25
  13. [3DS] Monster Hunter Stories - 23
  14. [PS4] Berserk and the Band of the Hawk - 13
  15. [PS4] Atelier Firis: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Journey (Premium Box) - 13
  16. [WIU] Minecraft: Wii U Edition - 10
  17. [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition - 9
  18. [PS4] Grand Theft Auto V [New Price Edition] - 9
  19. [PS4] Mafia III - 8
  20. [3DS] River City Ransom SP - 8
Preorders
[3DS] Pokémon Sun / Moon - 1523
[PS4] Final Fantasy XV - 324
[PS4] Yakuza 6 - 98
[PSV] SD Gundam G Generation Genesis - 90
[PS4] SD Gundam G Generation Genesis - 74
[3DS] Yo-kai Watch 3: Sukiyaki - 35
[PS4] RESIDENT EVII. - biohazard - 28
[PS4] Watch Dogs 2 - 20
[PS4] The Last Guardian - 19
SaGa: Scarlet Grace popped up here a few days ago but it's gone now.
 

horuhe

Member
Rakuten Books Sales Ranking Week 44, 2016 (Oct 31 - Oct 06)

01./00. [PS4] Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare (Legacy Edition) <ACT> (Sony Interactive)
02./00. [PS4] Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 <FTG> (Bandai Namco)
03./02. [PS4] Battlefield 1 <ACT> (Electronic Arts)
04./00. [PS4] Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare <ACT> (Sony Interactive)
05./03. [PS4] Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization <RPG> (Bandai Namco)
06./00. [PS4] Atelier Firis: The Alchemist and the Mysterious Journey <RPG> (Koei Tecmo)
07./01. [PSV] Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization <RPG> (Bandai Namco)
08./06. [PS4] World of Final Fantasy <RPG> (Square Enix)
09./10. [3DS] Mario Party: Star Rush <ETC> (Nintendo)
10./08. [3DS] Monster Hunter Stories <RPG> (Capcom)
11./05. [PS4] Berserk Warriors <ACT> (Koei Tecmo)
12./00. [PSV] Atelier Firis: The Alchemist and the Mysterious Journey <RPG> (Koei Tecmo)
13./04. [PSV] World of Final Fantasy <RPG> (Square Enix)
14./19. [WiiU] Paper Mario: Color Splash <RPG> (Nintendo)
15./17. [PS4] Grand Theft Auto V [New Price Edition] <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive)
16./09. [PS4] Mafia III <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive)
17./07. [PS4] Titanfall 2 <ACT> (Electronic Arts)
18./11. [WiiU] Minecraft: Wii U Edition <ADV> (Microsoft Game Studios)
19./13. [PS4] Persona 5 <RPG> (Atlus)
20./12. [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition <ADV> (Sony Interactive)

Rakuten Books Pre-Orders Ranking Week 44, 2016 (Oct 31 - Oct 06)

01./01. [3DS] Pokémon Moon <RPG> (Pokémon Co.)
02./02. [3DS] Pokémon Sun <RPG> (Pokémon Co.)
03./04. [PS4] Final Fantasy XV <RPG> (Square Enix)
04./08. [PSV] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star (Regalia Box) <ACT> (Marvelous)
05./07. [PS4] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star (Regalia Box) <ACT> (Marvelous)
06./15. [PSV] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star <ACT> (Marvelous)
07./00. [PS4] Super Robot Wars V (Premium Anime Song and Sound Edition) <RPG> (Bandai Namco)
08./09. [PS4] SD Gundam G Generation Genesis <SLG> (Bandai Namco)
09./03. [3DS] Momotaro Dentetsu 2017: Tachiagare Nippon!! <TBL> (Nintendo)
10./22. [PS4] Fate/Extella: The Umbral Star <ACT> (Marvelous)

Rakuten Books Sales Ranking Week 43, 2016 (Oct 24 - Oct 30)

* Note: Games on the Rakuten Books Rankings are only based on sales at Rakuten Books and does not count games sold by other retailers at Rakuten.
** Note 2: Games on the Pre-Orders Ranking are counted as net sales, so it might possibly affect the games listed on the Sales Ranking.
 
Why does everything need to get at Musou edition. Gameplay is shallow and Japan has stopped caring for all these collaborations. Mainline entries have almost disappeared likely because of the fear of another dive at sales.

Some of the recent collaborations sucked though, for different reasons. Attack on Titan sold well, but it would have sold more if they waited for the second season of the anime.

People actually want Fire Emblem Musou, and Nintendo can add their own spin to the game to make it special.

Hyrule Warriors 2 can do some damage in the west too, something that every other Musou collab failed to achieve.

Oh wow, I guess the future of Musou depends entirely on Nintendo! Koei better pray for Switch's success.
 

Sandfox

Member
Some of the recent collaborations sucked though, for different reasons. Attack on Titan sold well, but it would have sold more if they waited for the second season of the anime.

People actually want Fire Emblem Musou, and Nintendo can add their own spin to the game to make it special.

Hyrule Warriors 2 can do some damage in the west too, something that every other Musou collab failed to achieve.

Oh wow, I guess the future of Musou depends entirely on Nintendo! Koei better pray for Switch's success.

Given how long it seems to be taking to release, this probably isn't true.
 
Not related to PS4 version, but on that topic, whats the point of hiding the Switch release? Considering the launch dates, i think it will come for Switch, but i dont see why they would need to hide it. Switch was already announced when the Direct was aired.

On top of what others said, the messaging would be confusing.

They announced MHXX 3DS with a trailer and release date, it's all set on stone, no secrets. If they had announced a Switch version, they wouldn't be able to reveal its release date or gameplay, all for obvious reasons.

If they wait for the Switch blow out in January, they can deliver a clearer message.
 

Square2015

Member
Comgnet comparison

3 weeks out:

Code:
FF15    324 +17

FF13    1,278 +?
FF13-2  381-462 (inbetween)
FF13LR  208 +25
FF12    1,662 +173
FF10HD  94 +18
FFXV way behind, too far behind even FFXIII-2.
 

duckroll

Member
Some of the recent collaborations sucked though, for different reasons. Attack on Titan sold well, but it would have sold more if they waited for the second season of the anime.

Lol, you really think it would sell better if they didn't make it at all and waited until late 2017 instead? Musou might be completely worthless by then.
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
Famitsu Sales: Oct 2016 (Sep 26 - Oct 30)

01./00. [3DS] Monster Hunter Stories # <RPG> (Capcom) {2016.10.08} (¥5.800) - 246.400 / NEW
02./00. [PS4] Battlefield 1 <ACT> (Electronic Arts) {2016.10.21} (¥7.800) - 165.866 / NEW
03./02. [3DS] Yo-Kai Watch 3: Sushi / Tempura <RPG> (Level 5) {2016.07.16} (¥4.800) - 80.912 / 1.292.974 (-35%)
04./00. [PS4] FIFA 17 # <SPT> (Electronic Arts) {2016.09.29} (¥7.800) - 74.777 / NEW
05./00. [PSV] Sword Art Online: Hollow Realization # <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2016.10.27} (¥6.100) - 74.399 / NEW

Top 5

3DS - 2
PS4 - 2
PSV - 1

SOFTWARE

Electronic Arts - 295.000
Capcom - 289.000
Nintendo - 279.000

PlayStaion VR - 52.000

HARDWARE
Code:
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|System | This Month | Last Month |  Last Year |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|  PS4  |    158.923 |    147.676 |    118.881 |  1.189.261 |    888.963 |   3.319.994 |
| 3DS # |    143.410 |    112.210 |     86.998 |  1.140.402 |  1.447.679 |  21.177.358 |
| PSV # |     41.401 |     37.026 |     58.115 |    710.235 |    727.760 |   5.092.652 |
|  WIU  |     11.492 |     12.844 |     43.122 |    303.090 |    501.899 |   3.246.677 |
|  PS3  |      2.651 |      3.337 |      6.575 |     46.290 |    171.885 |  10.253.031 |
|  XB1  |      1.506 |        599 |      1.589 |      5.743 |     14.220 |      69.794 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|  ALL  |    359.383 |    313.692 |    315.280 |  3.395.021 |  3.752.406 |  43.159.506 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|  2DS  |     53.982 |     37.057 |            |     91.039 |            |      91.039 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
 
I know it's kinda strange considering the nature of the thing and the fact that 70% of the video showed an exterior usage of it, but Nintendo is serious about calling the Switch its "next home gaming system." I wonder if the message from Nintendo Japan is the same though.

I think that Nintendo of Japan will market the Switch much more differently from the West, as they'll most likely market the Switch as a gaming handheld in which you can also play the same games on the TV at home.

It made more sense for Nintendo of America & Nintendo of UK/Europe to market the platform as a home gaming console first because home gaming consoles are much more popular here & in UK/Europe than gaming handhelds are.
 

horuhe

Member
Comgnet comparison

3 weeks out:

FFXV way behind, too far behind even FFXIII-2.

Well, lately FFXV is doing a lot better. Not only on Rakuten, that is something I follow. Stores are really showing more about it, with cross collabs with other brands and stuff like that. I do think the game will flop (not joking here), but it's amazing how now Square started to push adverts. I suppose after Sun and Moon release, they will have more space to expand their promotional advertisements.

Just wait until Nintendo Switch comes.

Depends on how trackers will track it, and now they don't even know until January 12th, so...
 

Terrell

Member
Is it safe to say that, now that Wii U is in its second week of sub-2000 sales, the sharp drop-off can be primarily attributed to the Switch teaser causing Japanese gamers to just not bother and wait for March?
 

random25

Member
Is it safe to say that, now that Wii U is in its second week of sub-2000 sales, the sharp drop-off can be primarily attributed to the Switch teaser causing Japanese gamers to just not bother and wait for March?

That and no new big Wii U games coming up for the system until the Switch release for Zelda BotW.
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
Is it safe to say that, now that Wii U is in its second week of sub-2000 sales, the sharp drop-off can be primarily attributed to the Switch teaser causing Japanese gamers to just not bother and wait for March?

That just one game comes out every month with Splatoon hype dying has more to do with low sales of Wii U than Switch.
 

L~A

Member
That just one game comes out every month with Splatoon hype dying has more to do with low sales of Wii U than Switch.

Indeed. And it's even worse than that: there's entire months without anything. For example, nothing between June (Minecraft, Mario & Sonic) and September (Terraria). Before that, nothing in May at all. And right now, nothing at all until Zelda BoTW.

Even if we assume there was still Splatoon hype, the fact that Nintendo has all but confirmed a NS game/port would have killed it by now.

There's only so long you can sell a console with only one game, especially if you keep artificially increasing the price through bundles. Not that Nintendo is or should be worried. The Splatoon franchise has been established, they've made quite a lot of money, and they have a sequel/port for their next system.
 
I think that Nintendo of Japan will market the Switch much more differently from the West, as they'll most likely market the Switch as a gaming handheld in which you can also play the same games on the TV at home.

It made more sense for Nintendo of America & Nintendo of UK/Europe to market the platform as a home gaming console first because home gaming consoles are much more popular here & in UK/Europe than gaming handhelds are.

If they're going to market it as a handheld, then the price is going to be cheaper than we think. No way would they market a handheld at $299 equivalent.
 

Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Here are Capcom's full statements on Nintendo Switch support. Capcom lists the English Q&A translations as supplemented with additional information: http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/data/pdf/explanation/2016/2nd/explanation_2016_2nd_02.pdf

Capcom said:
Q. What is Capcom's stance with regards to developing for the Nintendo Switch?

A. It is excellent to have the market invigorated with new hardware launches. As a software publisher, we endeavor to develop games that offer enjoyment best suited to each piece of hardware's features and target users. Following first party, in order to introduce our own content we are currently moving forward with internal planning and analysis as a partner company.

Q. Is it possible to develop multiplatform titles on the Nintendo Switch?

A. We are currently carrying out research with regards to multiplatform implementation of software for PlayStation 4 and Xbox One on to the Nintendo Switch and thus are unable to comment at this moment. However, we do feel that there are differences in the desired direction and the play-style of the Nintendo Switch and those of the PlayStation 4 or Xbox One. At Capcom, we determine which platform to release a title for after considering the features of both our software and the hardware in question, believing we must bring the enjoyment of our games to their maximum potential.
 

Kanann

Member
Well, lately FFXV is doing a lot better. Not only on Rakuten, that is something I follow. Stores are really showing more about it, with cross collabs with other brands and stuff like that. I do think the game will flop (not joking here), but it's amazing how now Square started to push adverts. I suppose after Sun and Moon release, they will have more space to expand their promotional advertisements.

They have only 10 days after Pokemon, it's too late.
FFXV need Splatoon miracle (not legs of cause).
 

noshten

Member
Holy crap, megaton bomba incoming?

Yep, I don't forsee any chance for there not to be a huge drop compared to previous entries for Japan. I'd be impressed if it manages to have a launch of more then 600K.

In what is assuredly the biggest collaboration in mobile since Nintendo x DeNA, Square Enix has managed to convince Machine Zone (makers of Game of War and Mobile Strike, which are the #5 and #3 highest grossing mobile games in the world respectively) to make a new game based on Final Fantasy XV. Machine Zone was making $1.1 billion in revenue annually off of Game of War, and now has two hits of that caliber.

Presumably the benefit for Machine Zone here is that they want to try and break into Japan, while Square Enix wants more success overseas.

Mobile Strike does pretty okay in Japan, but it's usually in the #10-#15 grossing range. We've seen CyGames turn a Hearthstone clone into a top 10 monthly hit by slathering the game design in anime art, so it's not out of the question that the Final Fantasy brand could be a huge boon for MachineZone in Japan.

In news related to the current topic, Koei Tecmo's Final Fantasy mobile game (the Dissidia one) was delayed into 2017 so they could fix a bunch of bugs and ensure a smooth launch.

This doesn't sound surprising to me, I think nowadays all companies who are looking to get more people to buy their games will require a mobile counterpart to provide mind-share especially in Japan. This is actually pretty good news for XV & SE if long term the mobile game gains popularity, simply resting on laurels in the Japanese market and not cross promoting your properties screams of ineptitude. Looking at the business over the last few years it's mindbogglingly perplexing how such huge companies have no idea how to make good companion apps/games on PC/Mobile.
 

saichi

Member
Final Fantasy has been around for the longest time. It's a whole genre. It's not going to die.

Will take a few more mainline games before it gets to Musou level.

Actually FF Musou makes perfect sense as swan song for the Musou and FF series. ;)
 

Nirolak

Mrgrgr
In what is assuredly the biggest collaboration in mobile since Nintendo x DeNA, Square Enix has managed to convince Machine Zone (makers of Game of War and Mobile Strike, which are the #5 and #3 highest grossing mobile games in the world respectively) to make a new game based on Final Fantasy XV. Machine Zone was making $1.1 billion in revenue annually off of Game of War, and now has two hits of that caliber.

Presumably the benefit for Machine Zone here is that they want to try and break into Japan, while Square Enix wants more success overseas.

Mobile Strike does pretty okay in Japan, but it's usually in the #10-#15 grossing range. We've seen CyGames turn a Hearthstone clone into a top 10 monthly hit by slathering the game design in anime art, so it's not out of the question that the Final Fantasy brand could be a huge boon for MachineZone in Japan.

In news related to the current topic, Koei Tecmo's Final Fantasy mobile game (the Dissidia one) was delayed into 2017 so they could fix a bunch of bugs and ensure a smooth launch.
 

Eolz

Member
Absolutely nothing dumb about it. They want to control the message and unleash all announcements at one spot/event for the biggest possible impact. They know they cant afford another WiiU situation.

I disagree a bit. Obviously they need to control the message, which they've done well so far, but they're going too far in preventing third parties from confirming or not some of their plans. WiiU was a disaster obviously, but the Bethesda statement was just as bad for example...

Comgnet comparison

3 weeks out:

Code:
FF15    324 +17

FF13    1,278 +?
FF13-2  381-462 (inbetween)
FF13LR  208 +25
FF12    1,662 +173
FF10HD  94 +18
FFXV way behind, too far behind even FFXIII-2.

RIP

Here are Capcom's full statements on Nintendo Switch support. Capcom lists the English Q&A translations as supplemented with additional information: http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/data/pdf/explanation/2016/2nd/explanation_2016_2nd_02.pdf

I'm not sure what they mean exactly in the first quote. That they're excited but are waiting to see the first party support before actually doing anything there?
 

Pachael

Member
In what is assuredly the biggest collaboration in mobile since Nintendo x DeNA, Square Enix has managed to convince Machine Zone (makers of Game of War and Mobile Strike, which are the #5 and #3 highest grossing mobile games in the world respectively) to make a new game based on Final Fantasy XV. Machine Zone was making $1.1 billion in revenue annually off of Game of War, and now has two hits of that caliber.

Presumably the benefit for Machine Zone here is that they want to try and break into Japan, while Square Enix wants more success overseas.

Mobile Strike does pretty okay in Japan, but it's usually in the #10-#15 grossing range. We've seen COLOPL turn a Hearthstone clone into a top 10 monthly hit by slathering the game design in anime art, so it's not out of the question that the Final Fantasy brand could be a huge boon for MachineZone in Japan.

In news related to the current topic, Koei Tecmo's Final Fantasy mobile game (the Dissidia one) was delayed into 2017 so they could fix a bunch of bugs and ensure a smooth launch.

That's actually pretty big for both parties and illustrates how badly SE wants FFXV to take off (maybe it'll do so in mobile, considering the pedigree!) Wonder if the terms of agreement mean that Game of War/Mobile Strike get some SE promotion, or if this new game is co-published - #10-#15 in Japan for its existing titles still makes lots of money.

Drawing a blank on the Colopl Hearthstone clone though. Are you referring to Shadowverse (cygames)?
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
I'm not sure what they mean exactly in the first quote. That they're excited but are waiting to see the first party support before actually doing anything there?

Honestly, I believe there's quite some PR-ese in both answers. Tending much more to non answers, imho.
 

Oregano

Member
I disagree a bit. Obviously they need to control the message, which they've done well so far, but they're going too far in preventing third parties from confirming or not some of their plans. WiiU was a disaster obviously, but the Bethesda statement was just as bad for example...



RIP



I'm not sure what they mean exactly in the first quote. That they're excited but are waiting to see the first party support before actually doing anything there?

Capcom: "Wait, are they releasing mainline Pokemon on it?"
 

AzaK

Member
Monster Hunter XX is March 18th. But no, Capcom said no port. This is just another coincidence. they're jumping to PS4.

And rightly so. Why release your game on the platform with 0 sales when there's one out there with 40+ million?
 

Nirolak

Mrgrgr
That's actually pretty big for both parties and illustrates how badly SE wants FFXV to take off (maybe it'll do so in mobile, considering the pedigree!) Wonder if the terms of agreement mean that Game of War/Mobile Strike get some SE promotion, or if this new game is co-published - #10-#15 in Japan for its existing titles still makes lots of money.

Drawing a blank on the Colopl Hearthstone clone though. Are you referring to Shadowverse (cygames)?

Sorry, yes. I typed the wrong company.

I'm assuming Machine Zone gets a large chunk of the money made for their arrangement.

I'm not sure what they mean exactly in the first quote. That they're excited but are waiting to see the first party support before actually doing anything there?
I'm curious about that part too.
 
Monster Hunter XX is March 18th. But no, Capcom said no port. This is just another coincidence. they're jumping to PS4.

And rightly so. Why release your game on the platform with 0 sales when there's one out there with 40+ million?

Because Japan isn't all about consoles & all about portability?

If you think that WOFF sales on PS4 are bad in Japan, wait until the sales for MHXX on PS4 pops up just as bad or worse.

If Capcom's smart (which I doubt that they are lately), they'll have a Switch port as a launch title.
 
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