If we greenlit fighting games based solely on Japan, we wouldn't have many anymore.
This is a very poor showing for Japan, but that doesn't guarantee series death.
Things won't be much better for Soul Calibur outside Japan.
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Media Create Sales: Week 5, 2012 (Jan 30 - Feb 05)
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Things won't be much better for Soul Calibur outside Japan.
Hmm...i dont know i never expected big numbers for AC on 3DS. But its probably also a Bomba, yes...
mugurumakensei
Member
more than anything, it's disappointing compared to the more successful PSP entries. There's not much hope for Tales on any platform but the PS3 at this point in Japan. It's not Sony platforms that makes tales successful in Japan. It's more PS3 being a really strange anomaly.
MikeE21286
Member
There's no buzz for SC5 outside of Japan either, so I expect that the US and European sales will suffer a similar decline.If we greenlit fighting games based solely on Japan, we wouldn't have many anymore.
Quite possibly, but that still doesn't make Japanese Market -> Worldwide logical, which is what I was complaining about.
mugurumakensei
Member
it's still a 50% decline or so.
frankie_baby
Member
I'm more thinking if it gets a best release this xmas then mh4 don't come out til next xmas it could quite easily do more like 2.7 million when all is said and done
BassForever
Member
I'm liking Rhythm Thief's legs.
Soul Bomba 5. I wonder if their attempt to "reboot" the franchise scared fans away.
RO did better then I expect (my guess was around 25k) but I'm not sure if it'll have the legs to get to 50k (which would be a success in my book).
Soul Bomba 5. I wonder if their attempt to "reboot" the franchise scared fans away.
RO did better then I expect (my guess was around 25k) but I'm not sure if it'll have the legs to get to 50k (which would be a success in my book).
From memory lately when a Beat Em Up had respectable sales in Japan or the opposite West followed the pattern except SSFIV that performed well in Japan.
No, you're right. I was reasoning in terms of "trends", let's say.
First week of January was still a "holiday-based" week, with PSP normally seen as the cheaper and better supported Sony console for the "holiday market" (target age speaking).
We are now seeing in my opinion the shift from PSP to PS Vita for at least a (small) part of the audience.
The Emperor
Member
Not that it means much with low sales anyway but comparing FFXIII to XIII-2
FFXIII Week 8 was around 3,500
FFXIII-2 Week 8 is around 5,000
XIII-2 is showing better legs, of course higher userbase and DLC is helping and it barely matters but a 17% drop isn't too bad.
FFXIII Week 8 was around 3,500
FFXIII-2 Week 8 is around 5,000
XIII-2 is showing better legs, of course higher userbase and DLC is helping and it barely matters but a 17% drop isn't too bad.
electroplankton
Banned
Fair opening for Ragnarok Odyssey.
Fail opening for Soul Calibur V. I can agree on the fact that fighting games DO have market in the West, but it seems that this last entry on the franchise was not so anticipated globally.
Fail opening for Soul Calibur V. I can agree on the fact that fighting games DO have market in the West, but it seems that this last entry on the franchise was not so anticipated globally.
Bruno MB
Member
Decent hold, comfortably better than Resident Evil 5 and a little bit better than Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D (-74%). Anyway, I think that it won't be considered a success unless it ends up comfortably selling over 300k units, better around 400k.
4. [PS3] Soul Calibur IV (Namco Bandai Games) - 74,607 / NEW
6. [360] Soul Calibur IV (Namco Bandai Games) - 34,786 / NEW
Bad, terribly bad, though it was to be expected.
btw, I didn't remember that the 360 version of Soul Calibur IV did it that well.
I guess it is a nice debut.
It is showing great legs so far.
Its first shipment will be sold by the end of the month xD
Nothing unexpected, another example of Tales of Frontloadness.
Give it a few weeks.
NeonZ
Member
SCIV, in addition to the Star Wars characters, had the marketing promotion with the manga artist guest designed characters. Add to that how SCV, character editor aside, seems to lack features for single player, and is getting panned for it, due to the series' previous tradition, and this result shouldn't be a surprise. They needed to show that this game would be bigger than IV, but failed to do it. It just seems like Namco didn't try to push this title very hard compared to the previous ones and the new Soul team had some misguided priorities outside of the core fighting system design.
Anyway, if the original Soul team was disbanded after SCIV's numbers, these even lower numbers aren't good for Soul Calibur's future.
It did, but so many games had a huge decline that it really isn't surprising seeing a moderate popular game to have a steep decline this generation. Virtua Fighter for example was a much more popular fighting game in Japan, but this generation it had a 80+ % in sales from 500+k to 100k. Tekken about 30% in decline.
Super Smash Bro
Banned
My guess is that Ragnarok drops off the charts next week, and Gravity Daze opens at roughly 35K, and promptly disappears.
It's acceptable to infer patterns from a single occurence, right?
It's acceptable to infer patterns from a single occurence, right?
Colonel Mustard
Banned
Will ToIR outsell Abyss 3D's first-week before dropping off completely?
AranhaHunter
Banned
- 3DS numbers are doing great, who would have thought this a year ago after that botched launch?
- Resident Evil Revelations is doing horrible IMO. This is supposed to be a pretty big and nice game, unlike Mercenaries. I expected 600k+, but I think it'll only reach half of that.
- MH3G is doing great, much better than I expected and with legs like MH is known for. Won't get close to the 4.5+ they could have gotten on PSP, but it will pass 1.5 mil with ease. 2 million is not out of the question.
- Vita is doing horrible, no 2 ways about it. There's nothing in the horizon to save it either. I looked up the release list for Japan and there's Gravity Daze (bomb), Shinobido 2 (niche), NGS (bomba), Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2012 (people will buy other versions). Other than these there's nothing that the Japanese folks would want to buy IMO.
- PS3 is doing great, all things considered, should be within 4 million of Wii by the end of the year. IIRC the gap was close to 7 million a couple of years back.
- Wii is doing horrible. Might actually be its last year as a relevant piece of HW in Japan. A price drop to Y14,980 or Y9,980 would help, but with the WiiU coming and Nintendo losing a lot of money this year in part due to the yen and in part due to them losing money on 3DS HW, I doubt they will do it anytime soon. They already "won" this generation anyways.
- PS2 finally dying and 360 is not that far behind in the dying category. Will be interesting to see whether PS2 can sell 40k this year and if 360 can sell 100k
- Resident Evil Revelations is doing horrible IMO. This is supposed to be a pretty big and nice game, unlike Mercenaries. I expected 600k+, but I think it'll only reach half of that.
- MH3G is doing great, much better than I expected and with legs like MH is known for. Won't get close to the 4.5+ they could have gotten on PSP, but it will pass 1.5 mil with ease. 2 million is not out of the question.
- Vita is doing horrible, no 2 ways about it. There's nothing in the horizon to save it either. I looked up the release list for Japan and there's Gravity Daze (bomb), Shinobido 2 (niche), NGS (bomba), Pro Yakyuu Spirits 2012 (people will buy other versions). Other than these there's nothing that the Japanese folks would want to buy IMO.
- PS3 is doing great, all things considered, should be within 4 million of Wii by the end of the year. IIRC the gap was close to 7 million a couple of years back.
- Wii is doing horrible. Might actually be its last year as a relevant piece of HW in Japan. A price drop to Y14,980 or Y9,980 would help, but with the WiiU coming and Nintendo losing a lot of money this year in part due to the yen and in part due to them losing money on 3DS HW, I doubt they will do it anytime soon. They already "won" this generation anyways.
- PS2 finally dying and 360 is not that far behind in the dying category. Will be interesting to see whether PS2 can sell 40k this year and if 360 can sell 100k
You expected more than RE5 PS3 + 360 combined?
If Gravity Daze lives up to the hype (?) I am sure it will sell at least 100K during the first few months.
01. / 00. [3DS] Tales of the Abyss (Bandai Namco) {2011.06.30} - 74.173 / NEW
14./03. [PSV] Tales of Innocence R <RPG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2012.01.26} (¥5.980) - 8.397 / 63.250 (-85%)
An epic head to head!
Cosmonaut X
Member
You think Tri G would have sold 4.5 million on PSP? Why?
Just my opinion: ReR is 3x better than Mercs. And it's selling at the same ratio
02. / 01. [3DS] Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D (Capcom) {2011.06.02} - 15,551/ 74,343 (-74%)
01./02. [3DS] Resident Evil: Revelations <ADV> (Capcom) {2012.01.26} (¥5.990) - 43.575 / 190.134 (-70%)
I personally prefer "Bomba Calibur".
No idea GAF how RE:R would eventually sell above 500k ? It definitely deserves it.
frankie_baby
Member
600k for revelations? What planet are you on and can you please stay there
Then we realize there are still 70000 copies of XIII-2 that were shipped first week sitting in stores.
Where did you see that? It's not even a far possilitty if you think last year was the first PS3 outsold Wii.
frankie_baby
Member
If its legs hold up it might make it there with a best release though I'd say 400k is more likely
I'm loving the game, really.
That said: I've always foreseen 300K as a good target for the first real portable iteration of this franchise. The most important thing in my opinion is to reach a target that can assure ALSO very good portable iterations for for the brand. And in my opinion the 300k mark could be the right one.
Let's wait and see how it will end (looking at the sell-through and to the Mercs resulst could be able to do that)
BassForever
Member
Was RE:R more expensive in Japan like it was in the US originally? I know the $50 price point scared away prospective buyers, added to the fact that everyone pretty much says "you need CPP" to play this game, the fact it's still holding firm is a good sign.
frankie_baby
Member
No just standard price, it was only America that was gonna get ripped off
SolarPowered
Member
Revelations had better have some nice legs. I want this game to be a hit so bad, but I don't have a 3DS yet...
SCV's numbers are even worse than BlazBlue CT's numbers which were lower than CS. Damn, that is pretty freaking bad. I guess Japan likes 2D and lots of single player content?
Sammy Samusu
Member
Slow week all around. I'm surprised RE Revelaitons managed to hold on to #1. Soul Calibur V is at #2, yet a 40k open is actually kind of terrible. Every thing else ... meh.
EDIT: Oh, I guess Ragnarok Odyssey did okay. And Mario Kart Wii still hanging in the top 20 :lol
Bwahahahaha!
EDIT: Oh, I guess Ragnarok Odyssey did okay. And Mario Kart Wii still hanging in the top 20 :lol
Further stresses how they failed this week.
Bwahahahaha!
I propose the term Soul Calibomba.
Life to date. Sum of sales since the system's launch.
Year to date. Sum of sales for the running calendar year.
Life to date. Sum of sales since the system's launch.
Year-to-date (sales since the start of the year)
Lifetime-to-date (sales since its launch)
Red_taiyaki
Member
Happy for the 3DS sales numbers. It's a good system, just took longer than anticipated for it to go and take off. Hopefully we'll see some more software developed for it.
Ugh @ SCV numbers, I'm enjoying the game but with numbers like that I don't think there'll be a VI....anyone have the US numbers?
Ugh @ SCV numbers, I'm enjoying the game but with numbers like that I don't think there'll be a VI....anyone have the US numbers?
But I don't get it,sorry if I'm being dumb, but then PlayStation Vita has sold 112k since the start of the year, but it launched in December. And 500k since launch.
Oh: So it has sold 112k units since the start of 2012, but since December and until now it's 500k. I think I got it.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
i'm basing this entirely on that top 20, but why are Nintendo's 3DS games cheaper than third parties'?
Magicpaint
Member
Terrible numbers for SCV. Revelations should be doing a lot better...its numbers are passable at best.