IAmRandom31
Banned
For those who have are able to know, is there much DQH hype in Japan at the moment?
Hearing about possible DQ remasters on Ps4 has my giddy
Hearing about possible DQ remasters on Ps4 has my giddy
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Media Create Sales: Week 50, 2014 (Dec 08 - Dec 14)
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That is a good point. You might be right. I wouldn't be surprised if DQ Heroes and Hyrule Warriors got Vita and 3DS versions at the end of next year though(the latter being the less likely one).
small44
Member
I don't see any big 3rd party releasing one of their biggest IP on Vita
Sammy Samusu
Member
DQX is an MMO with paid subscriptions, the more platforms, the better. Vita has also proved to be a good platform for MHF and PSO.
Vita is and will continue to be more relevant than the ps4 in Japan for a gois long while if not for good
small44
Member
Not without any big IP like Final fantasy,Metal gear solid,Kindoms heart...
Next week Vita will fall below 2013 total numbers,then 2015 will have a big drop from 2014 sale 2016-2017 psv will be completely dead
nah, dqx is coming to vita but it'll be the last platform to get it
announced at tgs
sony needs it so they can complete the trifecta of tgs vita request "fulfilments"
tgs 2013: want mh on vita? here's frontier
tgs 2014: want type-0 on vita? here's agito plus
tgs 2015: want dq on vita? here's streaming version of dqx (square enix ain't got time to do a native port)
before i was betting on a persona 5 social game port but now i'm convinced
announced at tgs
sony needs it so they can complete the trifecta of tgs vita request "fulfilments"
tgs 2013: want mh on vita? here's frontier
tgs 2014: want type-0 on vita? here's agito plus
tgs 2015: want dq on vita? here's streaming version of dqx (square enix ain't got time to do a native port)
before i was betting on a persona 5 social game port but now i'm convinced
IAmRandom31
Banned
Yeah say stuff like this when the PS4 has a thick library in Japan. Right now it's basically just hand-me-down titles. Next year will tell the tale and especially when FFXV hits.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
PSV
2011: 400k+ (iirc)
2012: 690k
2013: 1224k
2014: 1090k
PS4:
2014: 900k
Yeah no. PS4 actually has meaningful third party support unlike PSV. I expect the Vita to have a notable decline next year.
Wii U is even less important for third parties but it's got DQX.
You know what he means. PS4 will have FFXV, KH3, MGSV, RE7, GTA6, GT7, DQ11
It will be interesting to see how these big franchises perform on PS4 though especially the ones that are exclusive (not on PS3 at least).
small44
Member
Wii U is even less important for third parties but it's got DQX.
Wii u get a real Monster Hunter game,Vita get a port of a port of Monster hunter game that released on vita after other versions.
Persona 4 sold incredibly well and we didn't get a version of Persona 5 and instead of getting original final fantasy spin off we getting a port of a mobile games.
Wii U only got MH Tri Ultimate because it could have cross-play/cross-save with 3DS. It notably hasn't got 4 Ultimate and some even think it might be ported to PS4 insteand.
Also Square Enix just announced a new SaGa game exclusive to Vita, that is pretty big, and if rumours are true there's more original stuff on the way including maybe FFX-3.
I think MGSV and Resi 7 will probably drop off compared to their predecessors too. Probably not to the same extent but titles like Tales and Persona 5 might prove bigger.
small44
Member
Still don't think we will get Final fantasy or dragon quest as a multiplatform ps4/ps3/vita maybe late ports
You're basically bringing out the equivalent to the wii u/xbone chalkboard at this point
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
How is it in any way equivalent?
WiiU hardly got any third party support and the XB1 is DOA. The PS4 seems to be relatively much better third party support as well as having the added benefit and housing numerous big titles.
Tent pole game releases. Hardware bumps for a while, platform goes back to near irrelevance. Even in this case if it is less so than other platforms. It's pretty comparable, even if it is to a lesser degree because the platform will have big western-geared eastern games like resident evil and some Japanese focused titles like the next tales game.
I'm not saying the platform will be as irrelevant as the wii u or xbone I'm just saying the same chalkboard style tent poles will come and go
small44
Member
Majority of people buy a console not just for one game,one games separately won't do nothing but a lot of games in 2 month will do something
Moor-Angol
Banned
It is a ranking of at closing time December 20, 2014 (accumulated)
01. [PS3] Tales of Zesutiria - 217pt
02. [PSV] magic School high school dunce Out of Order - 60pt
03. [PSV] God Eater 2 Rage burst - 53pt
04. [PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes darkness dragon and of the world tree castle - 46pt
05. [PSV] Sword Art Online - Lost Song - 39pt
06. [PS4] Dragon Quest Heroes darkness dragon and of the world tree castle - 33pt
07. [PSV] IA / VT (Oia / visual Tracks) -COLORFUL - 30pt
08. [PS4] Bloodborne Limited Edition - 28pt
09. [3DS] Devil Survivor 2 break record - 28pt
10. [PS4] Disgaea 5 (Limited Edition) - 15pt
11. [PS3] Yakuza 0 oath of location - 15pt
12. [PSV] shepherd -Library Party- (Limited Edition) of the large library - 14pt
13. [PSV] Senran Kagura ESTIVAL VERSUS - girls of selection - Niu input DX Pack - 12pt
14. [PS4] Yakuza 0 oath of location - 11pt
15. [PS3] Resident Evil: Revelations 2 - 10pt
16. [PS4] Final Fantasy Type-0 HD - 10pt
17. [PS3] Sword Art Online - Lost Song - - 9pt
Jump Festa effect
01. [PS3] Tales of Zesutiria - 217pt
02. [PSV] magic School high school dunce Out of Order - 60pt
03. [PSV] God Eater 2 Rage burst - 53pt
04. [PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes darkness dragon and of the world tree castle - 46pt
05. [PSV] Sword Art Online - Lost Song - 39pt
06. [PS4] Dragon Quest Heroes darkness dragon and of the world tree castle - 33pt
07. [PSV] IA / VT (Oia / visual Tracks) -COLORFUL - 30pt
08. [PS4] Bloodborne Limited Edition - 28pt
09. [3DS] Devil Survivor 2 break record - 28pt
10. [PS4] Disgaea 5 (Limited Edition) - 15pt
11. [PS3] Yakuza 0 oath of location - 15pt
12. [PSV] shepherd -Library Party- (Limited Edition) of the large library - 14pt
13. [PSV] Senran Kagura ESTIVAL VERSUS - girls of selection - Niu input DX Pack - 12pt
14. [PS4] Yakuza 0 oath of location - 11pt
15. [PS3] Resident Evil: Revelations 2 - 10pt
16. [PS4] Final Fantasy Type-0 HD - 10pt
17. [PS3] Sword Art Online - Lost Song - - 9pt
Jump Festa effect
BishopLamont
Banned
i see a console in normal decline, not saturation.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
PSV
2011: 400k+ (iirc)
2012: 690k
2013: 1224k
2014: 1090k
PS4:
2014: 900k
Yeah no. PS4 actually has meaningful third party support unlike PSV. I expect the Vita to have a notable decline next year.
You know what he means. PS4 will have FFXV, KH3, MGSV, RE7, GTA6, GT7, DQ11
It will be interesting to see how these big franchises perform on PS4 though especially the ones that are exclusive (not on PS3 at least).
It's a very weird comparison you have there since that 400k is just the launch during Christmas and 690k the first full year, whereas PS4's first year includes it's launch but starts in February.
All in all launch aligned I'd say they were fairly similar anyone have numbers for comparison?
It is a ranking of at closing time December 20, 2014 (accumulated)
01. [PS3] Tales of Zesutiria - 217pt
02. [PSV] magic School high school dunce Out of Order - 60pt
03. [PSV] God Eater 2 Rage burst - 53pt
04. [PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes darkness dragon and of the world tree castle - 46pt
05. [PSV] Sword Art Online - Lost Song - 39pt
06. [PS4] Dragon Quest Heroes darkness dragon and of the world tree castle - 33pt
07. [PSV] IA / VT (Oia / visual Tracks) -COLORFUL - 30pt
08. [PS4] Bloodborne Limited Edition - 28pt
09. [3DS] Devil Survivor 2 break record - 28pt
10. [PS4] Disgaea 5 (Limited Edition) - 15pt
11. [PS3] Yakuza 0 oath of location - 15pt
12. [PSV] shepherd -Library Party- (Limited Edition) of the large library - 14pt
13. [PSV] Senran Kagura ESTIVAL VERSUS - girls of selection - Niu input DX Pack - 12pt
14. [PS4] Yakuza 0 oath of location - 11pt
15. [PS3] Resident Evil: Revelations 2 - 10pt
16. [PS4] Final Fantasy Type-0 HD - 10pt
17. [PS3] Sword Art Online - Lost Song - - 9pt
Jump Festa effect
A Shepherd's Library Party doesn't like something I'd want to attend.
shinra-bansho
Member
These are interrelated phenomena, not mutually exclusive. The latter is cause for the former. I don't really know how you still don't get this.
Ipsoclipso
Member
It is a ranking of at closing time December 20, 2014 (accumulated)
01. [PS3] Tales of Zesutiria - 217pt
02. [PSV] magic School high school dunce Out of Order - 60pt
03. [PSV] God Eater 2 Rage burst - 53pt
04. [PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes darkness dragon and of the world tree castle - 46pt
05. [PSV] Sword Art Online - Lost Song - 39pt
06. [PS4] Dragon Quest Heroes darkness dragon and of the world tree castle - 33pt
07. [PSV] IA / VT (Oia / visual Tracks) -COLORFUL - 30pt
08. [PS4] Bloodborne Limited Edition - 28pt
09. [3DS] Devil Survivor 2 break record - 28pt
10. [PS4] Disgaea 5 (Limited Edition) - 15pt
11. [PS3] Yakuza 0 oath of location - 15pt
12. [PSV] shepherd -Library Party- (Limited Edition) of the large library - 14pt
13. [PSV] Senran Kagura ESTIVAL VERSUS - girls of selection - Niu input DX Pack - 12pt
14. [PS4] Yakuza 0 oath of location - 11pt
15. [PS3] Resident Evil: Revelations 2 - 10pt
16. [PS4] Final Fantasy Type-0 HD - 10pt
17. [PS3] Sword Art Online - Lost Song - - 9pt
Jump Festa effect
Man.. only one non PlayStation game there.
After 39 weeks PSV was at 960k according to Media Create.
IAmRandom31
Banned
That tent pole talk is ridiculous. People always wait for titles before picking up systems. What system selling piece of software has hit the Ps4 in Japan that is in any way equivalent or even close to a Dragon Quest game or Metal Gear of Final Fantasy or Persona or Hot Shots or well anything.
Will a single title push the PS4 to mainstream status? Of course not. But build a library full of titles different people will want and you will are your sales generally climb to a nice steady pace. Someone may not buy a Ps4 right away for DQ Heroes or Bloodborne, but it will put then thought in their head. Especially with a price drop next year and the library getting quite a few desirable titles in 2015 I can see the weekly position of the Ps4 becoming quite good.
It's all about momentum in this industry. 2015 can build up momentum with solid releases throughout the year until the big one drops in Final Fantasy. That is going to be a big one, anyone who thinks otherwise has their head in the sand. And well, if nothing moves the needle then you can truly say console gaming is done for in Japan. Or Atleast will only be a quarter of what it used to be
Moor-Angol
Banned
cause Devil Survivor 2 is the only strong title unitl February, in March there are planned that Etrian Odissey spin-off and DQ rhythm game
PSV and PS4 have a much strong line-up for Q1 2015, with GE2.5 being probably the top seller game for Vita in 2015
joking reply : there are just niche titles, Devil Survivor 2 alone will sell more than most of that those games combined. And comgnet doesn't count.
Nightengale
Member
More than a few.
1st Course
Member
It is a ranking of at closing time December 20, 2014 (accumulated)
01. [PS3] Tales of Zesutiria - 217pt
02. [PSV] magic School high school dunce Out of Order - 60pt
03. [PSV] God Eater 2 Rage burst - 53pt
04. [PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes darkness dragon and of the world tree castle - 46pt
05. [PSV] Sword Art Online - Lost Song - 39pt
06. [PS4] Dragon Quest Heroes darkness dragon and of the world tree castle - 33pt
07. [PSV] IA / VT (Oia / visual Tracks) -COLORFUL - 30pt
08. [PS4] Bloodborne Limited Edition - 28pt
09. [3DS] Devil Survivor 2 break record - 28pt
10. [PS4] Disgaea 5 (Limited Edition) - 15pt
11. [PS3] Yakuza 0 oath of location - 15pt
12. [PSV] shepherd -Library Party- (Limited Edition) of the large library - 14pt
13. [PSV] Senran Kagura ESTIVAL VERSUS - girls of selection - Niu input DX Pack - 12pt
14. [PS4] Yakuza 0 oath of location - 11pt
15. [PS3] Resident Evil: Revelations 2 - 10pt
16. [PS4] Final Fantasy Type-0 HD - 10pt
17. [PS3] Sword Art Online - Lost Song - - 9pt
Jump Festa effect
Awful numbers all around tbh. From what I see Zestiria is tracking waaaay below Xillia. Big mistake on Namco part to make it PS3 only
Hero of Legend
Member
Umm, where else other than 3DS would it do better? On PS4 I think it would have no chance of being near that.
At the beginning of next year we have many things to wait
Zestiria that will sell much better than Xillia 2 since Xillia 2 wasn't a main entry.
PS4 that is preparing for a big comeback.
We also had PSV starting outselling 3DS constantly until a few months ago but now we have PSV collapsing and PS4 taking its place.
Zestiria that will sell much better than Xillia 2 since Xillia 2 wasn't a main entry.
PS4 that is preparing for a big comeback.
We also had PSV starting outselling 3DS constantly until a few months ago but now we have PSV collapsing and PS4 taking its place.
1st Course
Member
Should've been PS3/PS4. This way:
- The game reach more people
- Get Tales fans on PS4
The PS3 as a platform is on its last legs, by 2016 it will be completely dead. Companies willing to continue pursuing console development needs to make sure the PS4 take off as fast as possible.
Moving the franchise to handhelds is also not a bad idea but I remember the series producer saying they want to keep the main entries on consoles, so that's not an option I guess.
Tales fans are on Playstation platforms, PS3/PS4 wouldn't change LTD sales a lot. A small increase but nothing spectacular. As long as PS3 keeps getting multiplatform software it won't die easily.
Pennywise83
Banned
It is a ranking of at closing time December 20, 2014 (accumulated)
01. [PS3] Tales of Zesutiria - 217pt
02. [PSV] magic School high school dunce Out of Order - 60pt
03. [PSV] God Eater 2 Rage burst - 53pt
04. [PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes darkness dragon and of the world tree castle - 46pt
05. [PSV] Sword Art Online - Lost Song - 39pt
06. [PS4] Dragon Quest Heroes darkness dragon and of the world tree castle - 33pt
07. [PSV] IA / VT (Oia / visual Tracks) -COLORFUL - 30pt
08. [PS4] Bloodborne Limited Edition - 28pt
09. [3DS] Devil Survivor 2 break record - 28pt
10. [PS4] Disgaea 5 (Limited Edition) - 15pt
11. [PS3] Yakuza 0 oath of location - 15pt
12. [PSV] shepherd -Library Party- (Limited Edition) of the large library - 14pt
13. [PSV] Senran Kagura ESTIVAL VERSUS - girls of selection - Niu input DX Pack - 12pt
14. [PS4] Yakuza 0 oath of location - 11pt
15. [PS3] Resident Evil: Revelations 2 - 10pt
16. [PS4] Final Fantasy Type-0 HD - 10pt
17. [PS3] Sword Art Online - Lost Song - - 9pt
Jump Festa effect
3DS has a weak January / February library, but still has a constant flow of games, and leftovers from holidays. YW2 was selling 40k units in October; YW2.5 might still pull those numbers if the craziness will keep going.
So far the pattern we've seen is that western games in Japan sell better on PS4 than PS3 when they're on both, but Japanese games in Japan sell better on PS3 than PS4 when they're on both. I expect that to naturally shift when there are more reasons for those who play Japanese games to move on to PS4, like maybe after Bloodborne, but it really shouldn't affect ToZ much.
i think the 360 userbase in japan moved over the ps4 early on, which helps explain just how awful the xbox one is doing and where that special subset would have gone.
Refreshment.01
Member
Not directed at you specially Chris. But i 've seen this line of thinking shared by others, that is "If both keep getting same titles then it won't make much difference for PS4 bottom line."
Well, think that underestimates people's desire for "new things". What's left of the active home console consumer in Japan will move to the PS4. The device will only go up, even with the same type of support.
It could easily go up in the same way the Vita went up though; from terrible to pretty bad isn't much in the grand scheme of things.
I don't see what new audience would show up by putting it on the PS4.
It is also too late to move the series to handhelds. They should have done it on PSP.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
The series did incredibly well on PS3 so I don't see why they would ever do that. It even did well in the West.
ToZ should have been PS3/4 just like how Persona 5 is. NB messed up and now they are going to pay the price in the West at least.
There was a recent interview from the producer (Hiroshi Matsuyama) of the new Naruto game at CyberConnect2 and he basically said they ditched PS3 because it is dead in the west.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bW0j9FzuOg
Why is it he was able to come to this conclusion so quickly when other Namco studios are just clinging onto last gen. ToZ being PS3 only is a huge mistake, same with Sega and SR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bW0j9FzuOg
Why is it he was able to come to this conclusion so quickly when other Namco studios are just clinging onto last gen. ToZ being PS3 only is a huge mistake, same with Sega and SR.
Actually...yeah, that's almost the same opinion I have on the matter. IMHO, right now, PS4 is an in-between 360 and PS3 in terms of userbase, trending much more on the 360 limit of the spectrum currently.
1st Course
Member
Yes but a PS4 version would ensure the fans moves to PS4 faster. The faster fans moves to PS4 the easier it become for Namco to drop PS3 version for future entries down the line.
If Namco want to keep the franchise on consoles eventually they will be forced to develop for PS4, and the earlier they get to it the better.
They mgiht be waiting until FFXV has established the RPG fanbase properly before jumping onto PS4.
Oh I didn't mean ditch consoles. They could have easily done both and would have been in a better place if they did.
They're probably going to drop PS3 after ToZ regardless.