Men face more discrimination than women overall, according to new research which takes into account areas where men are disadvantaged over women

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This is obvious and obviously only in mostly western societies, it also reminds me of that feminist women that tried to prove how much worse women get treated in society by dressing up as a man/living as a man and had to stop in a matter of one month because she got depressed. This study isnt exactly a surprise there is just more political benefit for fixing this for one gender vs the other.

This flies directly into the face of the militant far-left rhetoric that represents western societies as a patriarchal hellhole, where women are constantly being oppressed by white male sexists
Its about courting the women votes for the left and not much about anything else look no further than the womens march for the most recent prove of this fact.
This is also why left wingers laugh when you bring up mens rights or that boys are underrepresented in education and maybe something should be done, in contrast when that happened to girls and women there was political benefit in fixing it which should be the default for everyone, but with men not so much it is expected that they quietly carry whatever happens because they are manly man.
In a way it still is the old "cave men" thinking and its mostly the fault of society and men for still accepting their old roles and not the fault of women.
 
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Sexual objectification is a problem that one can gather from the name itself (not to be insulting). It is turning a human person into some kind of sexual fantasy. The beauty of a woman is a great thing, but a man can pervert what is good by itemizing the woman's majestic glory and not truly recognizing her person. It is very easy to sexualize a woman. As men we are very visual creatures who love pretty ladies, even I have trouble with that sometimes.
I take it by this post that you don't think women sexualize men.
 
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Members of a sexually reproducing species SEXUALIZE one another based on appearance!? OH NO! The terror!

Good looking Men are also sexualized in media and in public. This is not a problem for normal individuals. If you don't like it stay in the basement. Nobody should be entitled to having their feelings protected in public.
Lol this is ridiculous, you can't be serious lol
 

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What do you mean "Why?" You mean to tell me everyone is fair game in public for being bullied or saying shit to and if they have a problem they should stay in their basement?
He didn't say they should be bullied, just that no one should expect others to care about their feelings in public.
 
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That the responsibility for how you feel in public lies with you, not others.

Indeed. The Law can't be enforced in this respect. What goes on in your Cerebellum is usually irrational and your own creation. Anything can be threatening or abusive, if you happen to be Schizophrenic. Rule of law should be based on Reals not feels.
 
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I take it by this post that you don't think women sexualize men.
I know some women sexualize men, but the issue is much bigger with objectifying women. Women tend to be more auditory and emotional when it comes to attraction. They want to know that they are loved, respected, and protected. A big, strong, muscular man is probably more attractive to a woman than an average looking man or a stocky man. However, it does not seem that this matters too much to a woman. I see men that I would personally consider unattractive or average coupled with beautiful women.

Guys on the other hand are very visual. We like seeing a woman with curves and breasts. We are more easily aroused and sexually inclined than the average woman.

One just needs to look at statistics on porn to see the divide in how men and women see each other. The vast majority of people who view pornography and masturbate are men and the statistics prove it.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-porn-gap-gender-differences-in-pornography-use-in-couplerelationships
 

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I know some women sexualize men, but the issue is much bigger with objectifying women. Women tend to be more auditory and emotional when it comes to attraction. They want to know that they are loved, respected, and protected. A big, strong, muscular man is probably more attractive to a woman than an average looking man or a stocky man. However, it does not seem that this matters too much to a woman. I see men that I would personally consider unattractive or average coupled with beautiful women.

Guys on the other hand are very visual. We like seeing a woman with curves and breasts. We are more easily aroused and sexually inclined than the average woman.

One just needs to look at statistics on porn to see the divide in how men and women see each other. The vast majority of people who view pornography and masturbate are men and the statistics prove it.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-porn-gap-gender-differences-in-pornography-use-in-couplerelationships
Love the misdirection. It's like if I say that men are the majority of suicide victims and workplace deaths and you say 'what's really important is that men catcall and women don't like it' or 'women attempt suicide more'.
 
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Discrimination isn't a contest guys...

Both men and women face some terrible things based on their sex. However, personally I think some of the problems women face are pretty dang big (sexual objectification for instance, and for the most part being more physically and emotionally vulnerable). Also, not really discrimination, but women have to also deal with periods and most eventually give birth in their lives (these experiences seem so alien to me as I will never fully understand them as I am a man, from what I can gather they are at least unpleasant sensations to put it mildly).

As a guy I admit I have some problems as well, especially trying to be an honorable and saintlike man in all that I do. I also have to try to hide my feelings but I sometimes suck at that and I nust feel mad or depressed at everything. Sometimes I just feel weak both physically and emotionally (even if it is not true, I don't know my strength, I hope that I am strong). Sometimes when I shake a man's hand It feels very hard and tough like a rock and I wonder how my own hand feels (to me it feels like a loose, stingless jellyfish). :(

We should try to improve the lives of everyone, male or female, and quit acting like the opposite sex has it so much better (I'm talking to you radical feminists and male rights activists). Men nor women are devils, and thinking they are so just doesn't make sense.
Good post. The sad thing is topics like this can't be discussed well because men will use it as a weapon, instead of using it as a form of awareness.
 

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And why do Men not shop a lot?
Because traditionally "shopping" has been seen and pushed as something women do, not men. And that's been the hilariously ridiculous gender role since well..forever. A decade (or two if I'm being generous) of enlightenment and realisation that such a narrative actually hurts men and men rallying against it doesn't suddenly halt and reverse a machine that's been going on for centuries.
 
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I know some women sexualize men, but the issue is much bigger with objectifying women.
Interestingly, in terms of judging looks - some data suggests women's standards are significantly more unrealistic than men's, when it comes to appearances.

In short, the dating site okcupid found that 80% of their female users rated men's looks as below average. Men on the other hand rated women as above/below average in a ratio very close to 50/50 (which is what you'd obviously expect purely by definition of average/median, if people have "realistic" views).

The original article doesn't seem to be available anymore, but you can find plenty of references, e.g. https://www.yourtango.com/2016285828/women-find-80-percent-men-unattractive-says-crazy-study
 
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Because traditionally "shopping" has been seen and pushed as something women do, not men. And that's been the hilariously ridiculous gender role since well..forever. A decade (or two if I'm being generous) of enlightenment and realisation that such a narrative actually hurts men and men rallying against it doesn't suddenly halt and reverse a machine that's been going on for centuries.
Nurture absolutists are even more hilarious.
 
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Because traditionally "shopping" has been seen and pushed as something women do, not men. And that's been the hilariously ridiculous gender role since well..forever. A decade (or two if I'm being generous) of enlightenment and realisation that such a narrative actually hurts men and men rallying against it doesn't suddenly halt and reverse a machine that's been going on for centuries.
But why is it a problem? Why should it be a problem that men don't shop? Or than women shop? What narrative is hurting men? What machine are you talking about?

Consumerism is a relatively new phenomenon. You talk about centuries. Can you be more specific? Consumerism as we know it today started not even a century ago.
 
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Nurture absolutists are even more hilarious.
Here's my ancedote on the matter.. I have a 5.5 year old boy and a 1.75 year old girl. I hate spending money and we basically make the girl wear all of the boy's old clothes and play with all of the boy's old toys. She has a couple girly things family members got her, but very few and far between. By far, the vast majority of her exposure to "things" is an exact match to what my son was exposed to. It is RIDICULOUS how stereotypically girly she is. She took immediately to the baby dolls that my son pretty much ignored, LOVES cuddling stuffed animals and is obsessed with playing dress up and what not. She'll mess around with the blocks/train tracks but is very meh about them.

I used to think it was 50/50 nature vs nurture, but after spending this time with my children and seeing just how wildly different they are despite our best attempts at treating them EXACTLY the same, I'm more inclined to believe it's close to 70/30 or even 80/20 outside of extreme situations that can damage children psychologically. I also question how useful it is to really try and treat them the same, since it's very clear to us how different they are and the ways in which that necessitates different treatment.
 

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Here's my ancedote on the matter.. I have a 5.5 year old boy and a 1.75 year old girl. I hate spending money and we basically make the girl wear all of the boy's old clothes and play with all of the boy's old toys. She has a couple girly things family members got her, but very few and far between. By far, the vast majority of her exposure to "things" is an exact match to what my son was exposed to. It is RIDICULOUS how stereotypically girly she is. She took immediately to the baby dolls that my son pretty much ignored, LOVES cuddling stuffed animals and is obsessed with playing dress up and what not. She'll mess around with the blocks/train tracks but is very meh about them.

I used to think it was 50/50 nature vs nurture, but after spending this time with my children and seeing just how wildly different they are despite our best attempts at treating them EXACTLY the same, I'm more inclined to believe it's close to 70/30 or even 80/20 outside of extreme situations that can damage children psychologically. I also question how useful it is to really try and treat them the same, since it's very clear to us how different they are and the ways in which that necessitates different treatment.
If you don't force the nurture, then it will be mostly nature that you see, obviously. That doesn't mean much though because nature can be different with every kid. My son, for example, loves those Tonka trucks and Hot Wheels but he also loves pushing toy shopping carts and toy baby strollers and when given a color choice, he always chooses pink. We don't interfere in his choices and so it's 100% nature from our perspective.
 
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It seems odd that you would lump people who want to kill all men with people who want equality in family court.
I think men face some terrible problems in culture and courts. Most custody battles are awarded to the woman seemingly because the woman seems more maternal and caring for children (this isn't always true).

I don't want to tell personal details of people I know, so I will generalize it. I know someone who has kids with an ex and who would love to be able to have full custody of the kids but he is afraid of losing them if he ever fought back. Simply put it seems courts do indeed favor women. In fact, sexual assualt cases that victimized men are sometimes taken lessen seriously than one where the woman is the victim.

Men's rights activists are doing some good in that they are questioning the status quo and if they can help deserving men get custody then that is good. However, when I think of men's rights activists I think of incels who feel like women have the best of everything (which isn't true) and complain about it. Not everyone who is a men's rights activist is like that but I feel like there is a certain proclivity to blame society and women for things that are either innate or problems with one's own inadequacy.

Not all women are evil and reducting problems of sex to the "fact" that one sex is treated differently than another and therefore "must" have it better only excaberates the current problem in today's very political climate. To put it bluntly, both radical feminists and men's right's activists just blame each other for the world's problems.

I could be wrong about them, but I see many similarities in both groups.