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Metal Gear Solid 3D demo on eShop this week
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That's odd. I feel the opposite. The 3D was just painful to me. First time that I've ever experienced any 3D related discomfort too!
Now that's hardcore failure, that crap ran at 60fps on the PS2.
Haha like I said, for anyone that's played and tolerated Peace Walker's performance and "stability" then they'll be right at home with this game.
Full 3D feels like Pilotwings Resort, mah eyes. Put the 3D slider a nudge back and it's pleasing.
Btw, I'm no MGS expert (Own the PSone game which I like, played through the Twin Snakes and played a bit of 4) but the controls without the CPP, are those Peace Walker controls? No offense towards Konami, but come on: who actually thought that controlling the camera with the face buttons is a good idea? I mean really. When I do get the game, I'm playing it with the CPP.
Btw, I'm no MGS expert (Own the PSone game which I like, played through the Twin Snakes and played a bit of 4) but the controls without the CPP, are those Peace Walker controls? No offense towards Konami, but come on: who actually thought that controlling the camera with the face buttons is a good idea? I mean really. When I do get the game, I'm playing it with the CPP.
Those are indeed the same controls as Peace Walker. And it's as every bit terrible here as it was there. Now with the added benefit of MGS3's shitty color-scheme and what I can presume is head-ache inducing 3D.
Yeah, but that was a case where people put up with limitations of the system to play a game that existed nowhere else. Now that the HD version of PW is available I can't go back to the original PSP version. The controls were poor and the framerate rather low.
You could switch movement to the face buttons and use the stick in Peace Walker. Isn't that an option here?
That's how shooters worked on Dreamcast.
I finished MDK2 using the DC pad (face buttons for movement, stick for look). Felt like shit but it worked well enough. Just played it(sans CPP) and I am a bit disappointed. I have to admit bias as this is my favorite game in the series, but there are noticeable frame rate issues as well as iffy controls.
I really think they should have made the camera how it was in MGS2/3 because often times I found myself forgetting to use the face buttons for camera adjustment due to the awkwardness of it. If only the D-Pad buttons could be applied to the face buttons and vice versa, possibly a better set up. Or if they're so keen on using the Gyroscope, why not use it to pan the area like standard MGS3 did?
I hope this plays a lot better with the CPP and the demo is an old build because otherwise it just feels like a game that only strives for 80%.
I really think they should have made the camera how it was in MGS2/3 because often times I found myself forgetting to use the face buttons for camera adjustment due to the awkwardness of it. If only the D-Pad buttons could be applied to the face buttons and vice versa, possibly a better set up. Or if they're so keen on using the Gyroscope, why not use it to pan the area like standard MGS3 did?
I hope this plays a lot better with the CPP and the demo is an old build because otherwise it just feels like a game that only strives for 80%.
Yeah, but that was a case where people put up with limitations of the system to play a game that existed nowhere else. Now that the HD version of PW is available I can't go back to the original PSP version. The controls were poor and the framerate rather low.
You could switch movement to the face buttons and use the stick in Peace Walker. Isn't that an option here?
That's how shooters worked on Dreamcast.
Yeah, that's what I was saying before. If you've got one of the five platforms capable of playing MGS3 that aren't 3DS, then go for those.
And nah, I haven't noticed an option to switch to different control schemes in the options menu besides CPP.
SuperDowns
Banned
Never played the original (wasn't into PS2) so I am very interested in this. I might have to buy a Slide Pad Pro (if I can even find one, most Gamestops are out in my area) for this. 1 stick is hard to handle for these games.
Quick impressions:
I don't have a CPP yet, and the default controls without it suck balls. Every freaking action (besides shooting/rolling) is executed with the D-Pad and the camera is controlled with the face buttons. It's horrible, a freaking nightmare. Peace Walker have the same default control skin, seriously? Then I'm glad I never played that game.
The visuals... eh. It looks okay, I guess, and the 3D is good (although is way too strong with the 3D depth slider all the way up - somewhere in the middle is the sweet spot for me). I can't see shit, though: I mean, I can't see enemies that are like 10 meters away from me. Way too dark. The framerate is horrible, as expected (old build and all).
Yeah, don't even bother with this demo. The final version may be solid (as the EDGE review points out), but this is pure crap. I don't know why Konami even bothered to release this.
I don't have a CPP yet, and the default controls without it suck balls. Every freaking action (besides shooting/rolling) is executed with the D-Pad and the camera is controlled with the face buttons. It's horrible, a freaking nightmare. Peace Walker have the same default control skin, seriously? Then I'm glad I never played that game.
The visuals... eh. It looks okay, I guess, and the 3D is good (although is way too strong with the 3D depth slider all the way up - somewhere in the middle is the sweet spot for me). I can't see shit, though: I mean, I can't see enemies that are like 10 meters away from me. Way too dark. The framerate is horrible, as expected (old build and all).
Yeah, don't even bother with this demo. The final version may be solid (as the EDGE review points out), but this is pure crap. I don't know why Konami even bothered to release this.
Well the 3D at max power is a bit to powerfull. But put it a notch down and its cool imo. Btw, I want to congratulate everyone on finishing PW on PSP. Damn.
I have no idea. I just fiddled around just for the fun of it, but after all the awkwardness I decided to switch back to CPP controls. It's so much better, it's not even funny. If you have the CPP, I'll be honest: this 3DS version will be fun. But without it? Eh.You could switch movement to the face buttons and use the stick in Peace Walker. Isn't that an option here? That's how shooters worked on Dreamcast.
Electivirus
Member
This is a pretty nice demo. Never played MGS3 before, and I've gotta say that this camouflage mechanic is super neat.
The game is pretty and the sound design is lovely as well. Game controls nicely with the CCP and the 3D is great, too, if a bit strong.
They've definitely won a preorder from me.
Can't say I have much of a problem with the framerate, either.
The game is pretty and the sound design is lovely as well. Game controls nicely with the CCP and the 3D is great, too, if a bit strong.
They've definitely won a preorder from me.
Can't say I have much of a problem with the framerate, either.
I notice it but there's very little, if any, depth between Snake and objects further away from him. It's a little tricky for me to explain.
Mr. Bubble
Member
I'm not much of an MGS3 fan even though I played through the original on PS2, but I'm trying out this demo right now with the CPP since it's free after all.
-RE:R's gyroscope aiming has spoiled me. Not liking having to use the right circle pad to aim, but it otherwise works as it should and you can change the sensitivity.
-Frame rate is... bearable.
-The top screen is clean of HUD elements which is actually really nice. Really helps with the immersion.
-Really like their use of the touch screen.
-L and R buttons are hard to press because of CPP, but the same functions for those buttons are also binded to L and R D-pad respectively.
-RE:R's gyroscope aiming has spoiled me. Not liking having to use the right circle pad to aim, but it otherwise works as it should and you can change the sensitivity.
-Frame rate is... bearable.
-The top screen is clean of HUD elements which is actually really nice. Really helps with the immersion.
-Really like their use of the touch screen.
-L and R buttons are hard to press because of CPP, but the same functions for those buttons are also binded to L and R D-pad respectively.
Cjdamon042
Member
Full on Pilotwings-esque 3D for me, sort of too much but I got used to it. Only time I didn't get 3D was when using first-person mode for aiming the gun :/
Personally it doesn't seem like the best fit for 3D. The colour scheme along with the relatively meh (IMO) graphics just produces this green/brown mess that doesn't even run at 30fps.
Maybe I'm being too harsh. Guessing the final release might actually be better.
nincompoop
Banned
Downloaded the demo, deleted it after 10 minutes lol
That's apparently not a glitch. It's supposed to turn off the 3D effects when the gyroscope is used so the screen doesn't spaz out on the player. I wish Capcom had done something like that for RE:R to be honest.
:Motorbass
Member
First time I really played any MGS (I know) and I quite liked it. Got to the end and only got noticed once. Was fun an I will surely replay it.
FPS aiming (without a laser pointer!) in 2D is the RIGHT way to do it. If you have tried to aim in RE:R with a sniper rifle, you'd know that. Plus in reality, you would also only use one eye to aim, so no 3D is natural and practical.
I am also missing Gyro aiming, since it was the perfect way to control RE:R for me. CPP is nice to have.
Will buy the game for sure.
FPS aiming (without a laser pointer!) in 2D is the RIGHT way to do it. If you have tried to aim in RE:R with a sniper rifle, you'd know that. Plus in reality, you would also only use one eye to aim, so no 3D is natural and practical.
I am also missing Gyro aiming, since it was the perfect way to control RE:R for me. CPP is nice to have.
Will buy the game for sure.
fabricated backlash
Member
The 3D turns itself off randomly for me. Mostly when aiming in first person with a gun, but not even then does it turn off all the time. Seems to be a glitch I'd say.
A shame as they could've introduced this going to 2D in first person mode later in the game for story related reasons lol^^
Oh man:
- 3D is too strong in my opinion, it's the first game to ever make my eyes explode.
- Framerate could be better. In game framerate isn't SO bad, but man...those cutscene framrates...
-Bottom touchscreen is very neat, makes the game more immersive since you don't have to pause as much
-Why the heck does the 3D turn off when it's in first person mode and aiming? horrible, horrible, horrible.
- Peace walker controls have always felt good, not analog stick good but better than expected, so no need for the circle pad pro.
All in all, I would buy it as an MGS fan but I'll just continue playing the PS3 version. Not a very good build IMO.
- 3D is too strong in my opinion, it's the first game to ever make my eyes explode.
- Framerate could be better. In game framerate isn't SO bad, but man...those cutscene framrates...
-Bottom touchscreen is very neat, makes the game more immersive since you don't have to pause as much
-Why the heck does the 3D turn off when it's in first person mode and aiming? horrible, horrible, horrible.
- Peace walker controls have always felt good, not analog stick good but better than expected, so no need for the circle pad pro.
All in all, I would buy it as an MGS fan but I'll just continue playing the PS3 version. Not a very good build IMO.
Smashkirby
Member
Played through it once, it was ok. Play through it again with 3D on, once you go past the
middle of the 3D level, it gets better. On low, there's bearly any 3D at all. Also the 3D isn't
even finished!
Put 3D on, then aim and put on first person. There's no 3D in first person at all and if you
have it on high, it destroys your eyes as the images come together. Terrible how someone
missed that.
middle of the 3D level, it gets better. On low, there's bearly any 3D at all. Also the 3D isn't
even finished!
Put 3D on, then aim and put on first person. There's no 3D in first person at all and if you
have it on high, it destroys your eyes as the images come together. Terrible how someone
missed that.
Rocket Punch
Member
When does the game come out? I want it NAO.
:Motorbass
Member
NO NO NO! It is not horrible! Just think about it: In reality, you also use just one eye to aim down a scope. why? because otherwise you couldn't aim correctly as you would see the gun twice.
Zomba13
Member
Just played this. Wow this was a short short demo. The frame rate was pretty bad, especially in cutscenes. I like how it turns the 3D off when aiming in first person mode. In RE:R it made the sniper rifle impossible to use in 3D because the cross-hair was like, a 2D image.
I used the CPP and the controls were alright.
I used the CPP and the controls were alright.
Mr. Bubble
Member
That's on purpose as someone stated before.
In RE:R, I have to turn the 3D off whenever I use any rifles because my eyes go crazy when in 3D sniper scope mode, but at least I had a choice I guess.
it doesn't help either when the change from 3D to 2D makes your eyes burst lol feels horrible. It's like moving the 3D slider on-off constantly. xD
Vyse The Legend
Member
Next week in the US.
Haven't played this yet (downloading now) but why do so many people like AA? The blurring it creates is AWFUL for me. Especially when I play something like Zelda and then turn 3D off only to see the sharpness go waaay down. I alway have it up at the lowest level of 3D just so AA is turned off
Nintendo should bring in the option to remove AA in 2D mode.
Nintendo should bring in the option to remove AA in 2D mode.
Can't believe it's been almost a year since I saw the Naked Sample in person.
Never forget.
Seriously, that was amazing.
fabricated backlash
Member
Close your left eye, problem solved. Seriously, do it and thank me later.
This is one of the strangest things I've ever read.
You really believe that the left image looks better than the right?
You're insane.
We were young
Revolutionary
Member
Just finished the demo. From these impressions, I was expecting far worse. Don't get me wrong, the framerate IS pretty shit, and the textures are nothing short of laughable, but the impressions here sounded like it was running at a constant 10fps or something lol.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
It's almost always that way here.
Zomba13
Member
Mmmmmmmmmmmm Jaggies...
Risk Breaker
Member
Yeah man, delicious jaggies. I hope the WiiU has locked anti anti aliasing by hardware!
Like I said, the blurryness that gets added with AA makes it not worth it for me. I cant be the only one like that. Feels like I'm missing details this way. Especially on 3DS the AA is a dealbreakerThis is one of the strangest things I've ever read.
You really believe that the left image looks better than the right?
You're insane.
What form of AA do these games use? Do they blur only the edges or everything?
I noticed when the gyro sensor is active, the 3D is disabled. Here's hoping the 3D will be disabled after a certain point...
after Big Boss losses an eye
My only disappointment so far is lack of gyro aiming (for the demo, at least). RE:R spoiled me.
It seems a lot of things are gimped on this demo (I feel many control options are missing). But its understandable considering this was pretty much the TGS 2011 demo. Still getting the game since it's close to release. Here's hoping for a proper |OT|.
Vyse The Legend
Member
Old build, etc.
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