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[Persona86]

Something is going on here. Peace Walker obviously can't be VR/a dream because Chico and Mother Base and shit are still in the MGS5 trailer.

Someone has been given Big Boss's memories, which are coming to him in the form of hallucinations.

 

[Discotheque]

So is it confirmed. Metal Gear Solid V: Face Off but with less John Woo?

LESS John Woo?

Mission Impossible 2 feels like the closest thing we'll ever get to a mgs movie craziness and all.

 

[Salaadin]

You're seeing stuff that isn't there. There are a million reasons to hide the characters face. It's most likely a character we already know and not revealing that is important. The way he makes him move is clearly not natural of someone who is weak and just recovering from a coma.

The Frank Jager theory is far more solid and make more sense. The only reason YOU or anyone thinks this guys is an illusion is because you are influenced by the paranormal like things happening in the trailer. So you make a jump to assume this guy is also part of an illusion. He's not.

Then why do Ishmael and "Snake" have nearly identical voices. To me, they both sound like Sutherland except for the grunts.

 

[ZanzibarBreeze]

I don't see how you can go from a canonically in-universe recognized individual to someone they just don't bother to call.

I think he and Kojima have had confrontations in the past for which he's had to apologize -- criticizing Kojima's writing (which, to be fair, isn't that hard to do) and some of the directions the plot has gone in. It didn't seem like anything major though, and I don't mean to make more of it than it deserves, but it definitely happened.

And we all know Kojima loves Hollywood star power. This one isn't a particularly hard choice to make either, because all Snake is is a gravelly voice. It's hard to find a person that can't do a pretty good Hayter impression. I'd say other voices like Ocelot or Liquid would be more difficult to jettison.

 

[pants]

Well in that case the fire guy wouldn't be Mantis. But either way, the elevator scene + the horse chase scene contradict each other IMO (and based of what was shown so far). Regardless if it's Mantis or some other guy with fire powers.
Though the scare tactic theory makes it more plausible I guess (although why would that still work after BB actually met PM?).

Yeah the core of what I'm saying is Ishmail and VF have to be from different mental sources.

(although why would that still work after BB actually met PM?).

There could be a third source for all we know, if there is a student (going by age) there could be a master

 

[Erigu]

- Les Enfants Terribles occured "when Big Boss slipped into a coma"

Again, the coma thing comes from a line in the English translation of Metal Gear Solid. The Japanese version didn't say anything about a coma. That was just Blaustein being creative.

 

[Vamphuntr]

The more Hayter tweets about it, the more I call shenanigans.

I don't see how you can go from a canonically in-universe recognized individual to someone they just don't bother to call.

You should ask Michael Ironside for Splinter Cell

 

[Persona86]

LESS John Woo?

Mission Impossible 2 feels like the closest thing we'll ever get to a mgs movie craziness and all.

They should hire John woo. John Woo x Kojima = best cinematic action game ever.

 

[Keslord]

For the Frank Jaeger stuff:

Big Boss meets Frank Jaeger's adopted sister in Mozambique, and brings them both to America. The young girl eventually takes the name of Naomi Hunter.

This is from the timeline, in 198X. No specified year. Definitely could be Frank Jaeger.

 

[BossLackey]

Kojima!!!! Why do you have to be so cryptic?!?!?!

Damnit I love ya

 

[pants]

Well wasn't Mantis' job before he went nuts to rehabilitate soldiers from stress or shock through pshycic powers? or did I dream all that?

Anyway that's exactly what I think too, none of this sits right. Also notice everyone's faces are covered, either because in Snake's mind he can't associate their faces anymore due to a 9 year coma OR Psycho Mantis doesn't know what they look like fully so he makes them be all covered up or in Demon form. The Boss' horse is also in Demon form and the kid is on it with demon Volgin.
Seems like some sort of scare tactic to me, BB is about to escape the hospital but a team rush in to stop him and use Psycho Mantis' power to scare him into not escaping

I think their faces are obscured to make them more menacing to be honest, better for intimating and scares

 

[Slime]

I think he and Kojima have had confrontations in the past for which he's had to apologize -- criticizing Kojima's writing (which, to be fair, isn't that hard to do) and some of the directions the plot has gone in. It didn't seem like anything major though, and I don't mean to make more of it than it deserves, but it definitely happened.

And we all know Kojima loves Hollywood star power. This one isn't a particularly hard choice to make either, because all Snake is is a gravelly voice. It's hard to find a person that can't do a pretty good Hayter impression. I'd say other voices like Ocelot or Liquid would be more difficult to jettison.

You never know. Still, it's just surprising they'd do something like this in the game itself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZJgsVhTjPE

and then just drop him out of nowhere.

 

[Jb]

Man, I hope the entire Phantom Pain portion of the game takes place in Africa. Remember the early vids of that jungle environment a few years ago? It would be a pretty awesome setting for a Metal Gear Solid game.

 

[ZanzibarBreeze]

Incidentally, I guess Akio Otsuka has been confirmed for MGS5, so it would appear that Hayter is out for non-story reasons.

it's just surprising they'd do something like this in the game itself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZJgsVhTjPE and then just drop him out of nowhere.

That's a fair point.

 

[Kyoufu]

Has it been explained who the third person is in the emergency room when Snake goes into cardiac arrest?

 

[Persona86]

Has it been explained who the third person is in the emergency room when Snake goes into cardiac arrest?

Kiefer Sutherland or Ocelot.

 

[-Amon-]

There's gotta be some sort of language barrier going on here.

Or maybe Ground Zeroes and The Shadow Pain are 2 different games, with a unique storyline.

Ground Zeroes being on market something like three months before the Shadow Pain.

So, Kojima is right, and Konami is right too.

 

[Speedwagon]

Has it been explained who the third person is in the emergency room when Snake goes into cardiac arrest?

No, but how can it be anyone else beside the guy in bandages? He's been watching over Big Boss for 9 years while he was in a coma. I think that's the big question they were trying to elude to, "who's the guy in bandages?"

 

[ZanzibarBreeze]

If we're changing voice actors around, I'd like Chris Hansen to do the voice of Master Miller. I think his smarmy-like tone would really fit that character. "Listen, Snake, there's something you need to know..."

 

[Speedwagon]

Or maybe Ground Zeroes and The Shadow Pain are 2 different games, with a unique storyline.

The Shadow Pain being on market something like three months before the Shadow Pain.

So, Kojima is right, and Konami is right too.

Shadow = Phantom?

 

[Vamphuntr]

Incidentally, I guess Akio Otsuka has been confirmed for MGS5, so it would appear that Hayter is out for non-story reasons.

And we are done.

 

[Persona86]

If we're changing voice actors around, I'd like Chris Hansen to do the voice of Master Miller. I think his smarmy-like tone would really fit that character. "Listen, Snake, there's something you need to know..."

Ocelot = Will Smith

Big Boss = Jim Carrey

 

[Speedwagon]

If we're changing voice actors around, I'd like Chris Hansen to do the voice of Master Miller. I think his smarmy-like tone would really fit that character. "Listen, Snake, there's something you need to know..."

Good idea... BRB tweeting this to Kojima.

 

[ZanzibarBreeze]

Ocelot = Will Smith

But that would be so good.

 

[Persona86]

And we are done.

That doesn't mean anything, we already heard his voice in Ground Zeroes. But guy in TPP might be another person made to appear like Big Boss.

 

[Ferrio]

And we are done.

Still smells of BS.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

I really, really hope Hayter is out for story reasons only. If he's been booted for any other reason, I (and many, many others) will be severely disappointed.

 

[Foxtastical]

Some of you think Hayter is not going to be in this? Really? In the midst of all this mindfuckery, you think that fact can really be established?

 

[BossLackey]

That doesn't mean anything, we already heard his voice in Ground Zeroes. But guy in TPP might be another person made to appear like Big Boss.

When did we hear Hayter's voice in Ground Zeroes vids? Also, no, it's definitely Big Boss in The Phantom Pain.

 

[Persona86]

When did we hear Hayter's voice in Ground Zeroes vids? Also, no, it's definitely Big Boss in The Phantom Pain.

I meant the Japanese voice.

And there is no definite when it comes to Kojima sir. The man in the trailer might have had face surgery, who knows.

All I know is that it's very strange to have bandages on your face 9 years after a coma, so something is missing here.

 

[Salaadin]

When did we hear Hayter's voice in Ground Zeroes vids? Also, no, it's definitely Big Boss in The Phantom Pain.

As far as I know, we never heard Hayter in Ground Zeroes and we never heard Akio Otsuka in The Phantom Pain.
I think that Big Boss is in Ground Zeroes...voiced by Akio Otsuka in Japan and who knows in North America.
Phantom Pain? Im not so sure.

 

[Tookay]

For all the Face-off theory stuff (which I hope they don't go with):

How can bandaged guy be the real Big Boss?

BB lost an eye. Bandage guy still has his.

Why would he still be in bandages, but "fake BB" isn't covered fully with them, assuming the swap is recent?

Doesn't make any sense.

 

[Persona86]

For all the Face-off theory stuff (which I hope they don't go with):

How can bandaged guy be Big Boss?

BB lost an eye. Bandage guy still has his.

Why would he still be in bandages, but "fake BB" isn't, assuming the swap is recent?

Doesn't make any sense.

It's just a theory, I don't know what the hell is going on lol.

BUT I personally meant that the one your controlling has possibly had surgery to look like Big Boss not the other guy (who knows what happened to him), and that Big Boss is nowhere in that hospital.

Now I have a headache.

 

[Tookay]

It's just a theory, I don't know what the hell is going on lol.

BUT I personally meant that the one your controlling has possibly had surgery, and that Big Boss is nowhere in that hospital.

Oh okay. That makes some sense.

But then most of the Ishmael "who are you?"/*points at himself* stuff goes out the window if he's just some unrelated dude.

I still think hallucination is more likely.

 

[SamuraiX-]

Guys, seriously:
- in Ground Zeroes part of MGS5, Big Boss is seen looking to recue Chico and others from Mother Base as it's being attacked
- he is sent into a coma
- Les Enfants Terribles occured "when Big Boss slipped into a coma"
- This would have to be 1971 or earlier as Les Enfants Terribles was finished and gave birth to the clones in 1972
- Peace Walker took place in 1974
- Big Boss is apparently in a coma for 9 years

Something is going on here. Peace Walker obviously can't be VR/a dream because Chico and Mother Base and shit are still in the MGS5 trailer.

For the Frank Jaeger stuff:


This is from the timeline, in 198X. No specified year. Definitely could be Frank Jaeger.

Cool analysis, man. Hopefully Kojima cuts back on the ridiculous amount of retcons that has plagued the series since MGS3.

 

[Piers]

Incidentally, I guess Akio Otsuka has been confirmed for MGS5, so it would appear that Hayter is out for non-story reasons.

I'm somewhat envious on how Japan's voice actors always maintain consistency whereas everywhere else we have to deal with changes.

 

[Persona86]

Oh okay. That makes some sense.

But then most of the Ishmael "who are you?"/*points at himself* stuff goes out the window if he's just some unrelated dude.

I still think hallucination is more likely.

Well my other theory was that maybe Big Boss lost his memory and they are returning in the form of hallucinations.

OR a random guy has been implanted memories from big boss which are coming in the form of hallucinations? The phantom pain, he feels big bosses pain?

OK time to take a break lol.

 

[BossLackey]

Keep in mind that they definitely showed Big Boss with a prosthetic arm. I find it a bit of a stretch to think that the guy in The Phantom Pain could be anybody but Big Boss, even by Kojima's standards. Every single sign points to it being him in both Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain. If it ends up not being him in The Phantom Pain, I will eat my shoe.

 

[Graphics Horse]

It's just that every animal in the history of video games have been either female or mutilated males. I understand why puritanical america does not want to see human genitalia, but animal ? Is it such a big deal ? Not for me. It's weird that in 2013, animals are still barbie-animals.

But it looks like there's something between its legs to me, I can't tell if it's balls or penis or both but it won't show you much unless it's in the mood.

Some of you think Hayter is not going to be in this? Really? In the midst of all this mindfuckery, you think that fact can really be established?

These are the facts as presented. It's not mindfuckery if everyone is supposed to guess the opposite. Or even just the perceptive geniuses of teamcg.

 

[Erigu]

But then most of the Ishmael "who are you?"/*points at himself* stuff goes out the window if he's just some unrelated dude.

I still think hallucination is more likely.

Sure.

I still think this is what makes the most sense at this point:

The guy who wakes up from a coma isn't really Big Boss, but the third (unseen) guy from the emergency room (first person perspective in both cases) who's been groomed / conditioned so he'd seem to be Big Boss (for some reason... maybe that Trojan horse thing). He also has some kind of shrapnel sticking out from his skull (you can see it under his bandage, and Big Boss had no such thing in the emergency room).
He has all sorts of hallucinations (because of the shrapnel and/or the brainwashing), including that "Ishmael" guy, who's actually a projection of his mind, possibly of his original personality (which would explain why he has both eyes).

 

[Freedom = $1.05]

For the Frank Jaeger stuff:


This is from the timeline, in 198X. No specified year. Definitely could be Frank Jaeger.

Wouldn't mesh with his appearance in Portable Ops, unless Portable Ops is no longer canon.

 

[Gouda Jouji]

Guys, seriously:
- in Ground Zeroes part of MGS5, Big Boss is seen looking to recue Chico and others from Mother Base as it's being attacked
- he is sent into a coma
- Les Enfants Terribles occured "when Big Boss slipped into a coma"
- This would have to be 1971 or earlier as Les Enfants Terribles was finished and gave birth to the clones in 1972
- Peace Walker took place in 1974
- Big Boss is apparently in a coma for 9 years

Something is going on here. Peace Walker obviously can't be VR/a dream because Chico and Mother Base and shit are still in the MGS5 trailer.

A person can't go into a coma more than once?

 

[Slime]

Sure.

I still think this is what makes the most sense at this point:

The guy who wakes up from a coma isn't really Big Boss, but the third (unseen) guy from the emergency room (first person perspective in both cases) who's been groomed / conditioned so he'd seem to be Big Boss (for some reason... maybe that Trojan horse thing). He also has some kind of shrapnel sticking out from his skull (you can see it under his bandage, and Big Boss had no such thing in the emergency room).
He has all sorts of hallucinations (because of the shrapnel and/or the brainwashing), including that "Ishmael" guy, who's actually a projection of his mind, possibly of his original personality (which would explain why he has both eyes).

This is what I think is going on. Big Boss goes into a coma following the destruction of Mother Base, but walks out of the hospital just fine after a little while. Guy on the third bed from whose perspective we see that whole scene unfold and who Miller says "What about him?" about is the guy who wakes up later.

Who knows if the guy actually looks like Big Boss. Maybe he's just been conditioned to think he does, with or without a change in his physical appearance. We're just seeing everything through his eyes, like we do at the very beginning of the trailer.

Keep in mind that KojiPro went so far as to translate the lyrics from the Garbage song into Japanese in order to analyse. First line is:

"We are not your kind of people.
You seem kind of phoney.
Everything's a lie."

 

[33-Hit-Combo]

Well my other theory was that maybe Big Boss lost his memory and they are returning in the form of hallucinations.

OR a random guy has been implanted memories from big boss which are coming in the form of hallucinations? The phantom pain, he feels big bosses pain?

OK time to take a break lol.

I dunno, bandage guy did just shoot him up with an unknown substance...

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Wouldn't mesh with his appearance in Portable Ops, unless Portable Ops is no longer canon.

I wouldn't consider it cannon, since Kojima didn't wrote the game. Well is possible is cannon now, until Kojima starts retconning the fuck out of it.

 

[t26]

I'm somewhat envious on how Japan's voice actors always maintain consistency whereas everywhere else we have to deal with changes.

Not always, with Saint Seiya being the best example.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I'm somewhat envious on how Japan's voice actors always maintain consistency whereas everywhere else we have to deal with changes.

I don't think this is always a good thing. Goku in DBZ comes to mind.

 

[Graphics Horse]

I have a more simple but weird theory, the third character simply represents ' the player'. The player may take the form of another character or an otherworldly force controlling Snake depending on the situation.

 

[SamuraiX-]

A person can't go into a coma more than once?

It would be pretty silly if this 9 year coma for Big Boss isn't "the" coma.

 

[The Omega Man]

Guys guys, I have all figured out, Keifer Sutherland is going to voice Snake and Donald Sutherland is going to voice Big Boss, all these decisions were made to be more akin with the voice work done for the Japanese market