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Microsoft—now trying to get its $75 billion deal for Activision approved—has taken a friendly role with regulators. (WSJ)

Article was behind paywall. I had to sign in to get it. Hope you guys enjoy it.

If it's with something like WSJ, then salute to you sir!

Don't really have anything to say; it's crafty, smart play by Microsoft to stay out the crosshairs. I haven't seen a console holder try being this buddy-buddy with US government since Nintendo did it to get at SEGA during those violent game congressional hearings during SNES/Genesis(MegaDrive) era.

At least that led to the ESRB which was kind of necessary. I can't think of anything necessary for console gaming this new stuff could lead to except maybe clamping down on predatory MTX and lootbox practices, maybe cull back on shady NFT practices. I won't agree with anything that destroys walled gardens because those actually bring benefits even if there are some inconveniences.

So I hope the stripping-down/cracking of walled gardens that Microsoft are somewhat leveraging this for against companies like Apple, doesn't get spun down to purpose-specific console makers. There's always been a natural answer when you've felt a console maker was nickel-and-diming you: just stop buying their products 🤷‍♂️
 

kingfey

Banned
the one thing that people seem top forget when they say about recouping money back, they never mention the games are still for sale to. that helps with the profitability. look at Forza horizon 5 and how many players it had before the official release, millions were playing the ultimate edition which had to be bough or the add on had to be bought to get early access. people act like the games go on gamer pass and that's the only way to play them
They dont bring that up, because it doesnt fit their narritive.
To them, subscrption service is evil, and doesnt support devs at all. Like MS should be the one to pay for all the platforms.
And for activision, they always ignore the money that company brings. And try to frame it on gamepass, as loss leader thnx to that purchase.
 

Ozriel

Member
You don’t read the news much, I gather.

What in the 'news' invalidates anything I said about Microsoft investing in their studios and in new IP?
No, I definitely don't think most studios have more than half their people leave in a short time. Among apparently other issues that don't seem too dissimilar from Activision/Blizzard, ironically enough.

Point remains. The guy doesn't read too much.

Ah, I see. Your usual console warring nonsense. Pathetic
 

Infamy v1

Member
No, I definitely don't think most studios have more than half their people leave in a short time. Among apparently other issues that don't seem too dissimilar from Activision/Blizzard, ironically enough.

Point remains. The guy doesn't read too much.

This thread is also hilarious. People saying Gamepass is "amazing" because it allows them to not buy games. Probably the same people that will argue with a straight face that Game Pass is profitable. Even when MS is spending now "76 billion" to acquire one studio, when next year's game is already cancelled. How long do you think it will take MS to make 76 billion in profit on the games division, let alone Game Pass, to recoup all that? Yeah I know they "don't care" because they make plenty of money elsewhere, but again ... this is the definition of MS "subsidizing" gamer habits. And we got people like kingfey kingfey arguing in this very thread that services like GP are now necessary because it's too expensive to make games and companies like MS have to subsidize them, which is the argument I've put forward about the danger GP presents in changing attitudes about buying games. This idea, of course, gets laughed at by a certain group, even though we've already seen this effect on the general software side of life as a result of mobile and are seeing these kinds of opinions already expressed here about games.

We also have that thread talking about XBL going away and potentially being rolled into GP as a new 15 dollar a month baseline. All of a sudden plenty of the "core" group, for lack of a better word, are complaining about price! Saying 15 dollars is just too much and it's going to piss off a lot of gamers. This is still likely well below what it would take to support the service unless they start getting into big subscriber numbers, but they definitely have a ceiling on those subscribers given the number of Xbox gamers out there. But I still thought this was a deal? AND this is the price another certain core group of people try to tout as what the real price is that everyone is paying. "Nobody pays a dollar to get on the service" gets said by some. So if everyone is paying for XBL and GP anyway ... I mean that would be a minimum of about 15 dollars a month (GP is 9.99, XBL can be had for 50-60 a year if you buy annually).

So is the monthly cost too much or is it not? It's still cheaper than buying XBL annually and a couple games a year. What are fans afraid of? I saw plenty of forum users saying they did the $1 conversion (like I did) as well ... again something I am told doesn't really happen. Because if it does happen a lot, or the numbers are given out right after Christmas to include the people who got a system for the holidays and want to try the three month dollar trial or what not ... that means GP isn't pulling in much. But if everyone is paying roughly 15 dollars a month anyway, the new plan is no big deal, so I wouldn't see the need for the hand wringing over the price.

So ... can't have it both ways.

Are people paying monthly and GP is making good money, and the 1 dollar conversion isn't a factor?

Or will 15 dollars a month (minimum) be too much, because the value of GP is largely using Microsoft's onboarding offers that allow you to get all of their software for free, for up to three years, for the price of a bag of candy?

So yeah. A lot of the usual people touting GP in here as usual, saying it's because Microsoft is buying them so much software for free. There is just no way they can keep spending like this unless they truly don't care about their financials. And the people arguing they are "fine" going the way they are have to know deep down they are wrong, because we are getting two conflicting arguments based on what the current news is. Something is going to have to change at some point, unless most people are getting the one dollar ultimate trial and simply staying on. Which I personally doubt, or there wouldn't be rumblings of forcing the minimum expenditure up.

Quick note on my personal stance on the pricing. I actually think moving the service to a 15 dollar a month minimum would be a necessary move to make the service "viable." That would equate to XBL and two games a year for most. I think a lot of people probably spend within that range normally. Then when you factor in things like MTX and DLC and hopefully a higher subscriber count ... you start to get into the kind of scale that could potentially work. But look at the freakout that happened in that thread. Gamers are cheap. I am just not sure a gaming sub, where many people aren't playing games constantly (myself included) just don't see the value in subbing to something like that every month. It's why there is no way in hell I would pay for a monthly gaming service. I just don't play that much and want to actively select what I am buying and spending my time on. It's not like a music streaming service where you can use it hours a day while you work, or a video streaming service where you can use it almost every day to unwind. gaming is dedicated and focused, and I imagine the number of people playing every day, is very small compared to the general audience.

This went way further than I intended. I just can't believe how much emotion gets wrapped up into Game Pass by the Xbox only crowd. It poisons every discussion now, to the point where this crowd jumps into Sony game threads saying how much Sony needs a GP competitor when no one is asking for it or talking about it except for them. It's insanity. Why aren't you Xbox only folks talking about the games you are playing? I'm currently playing Elden Ring. I'd love to talk about that instead.

A fanboy that doesn't know what he is taking about, is making shit up and conflating his argument all in the sake of console warz has the testicular fortitude to tell others they don't read much.

Hilarious. All this projection is bad for your health, btw. Game Pass is about to explode in popularity more than it already has within the next few years so I don't know what to tell you other then...buckle up? Because if you're this salty now, then oh boy...
 

kingfey

Banned
A fanboy that doesn't know what he is taking about, is making shit up and conflating his argument all in the sake of console warz has the testicular fortitude to tell others they don't read much.

Hilarious. All this projection is bad for your health, btw. Game Pass is about to explode in popularity more than it already has within the next few years so I don't know what to tell you other then...buckle up? Because if you're this salty now, then oh boy...
You wanna hear the funny part?

He is saying that these subscription service is hurting the devs, and not make enough money from their sales. Yet in the same post, he is talking about how he used xbox live gold conversion to get himself 3 years of gamepass.

Talk about irony. How can you advocate for something, while you are doing the same thing you are complaining about? Its like telling people not to steal, while you steal in the process.

At some point, these people need critical thinking. No way you can type these things, without paying attention to what you are typing.
 

Infamy v1

Member
You wanna hear the funny part?

He is saying that these subscription service is hurting the devs, and not make enough money from their sales. Yet in the same post, he is talking about how he used xbox live gold conversion to get himself 3 years of gamepass.

Talk about irony. How can you advocate for something, while you are doing the same thing you are complaining about? Its like telling people not to steal, while you steal in the process.

At some point, these people need critical thinking. No way you can type these things, without paying attention to what you are typing.

That's because logic escapes brainwashed people like him. It doesn't matter if you put facts in front of them, or point out hypocrisy, or rationally explain another point of view. None of that matters because they identify with the plastic box they own and therefore the company who made said box, despite said company not giving a shit about them personally and only wanting their money.

It's truly a sad sight to behold, or at least it would be if they weren't so annoying. Kinda like it's hard to feel bad for pests.
 
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Kerotan

Member
This is an insecurity-filled post with no basis in reality.

Sony never "wanted" cross-platform and there was absolutely zero campaigning for it the way MS did last Gen. Sony simply had cross play on a few titles (so did MS, btw) and Microsoft stated that they did not want XBL to be compromised by PSN, which we all know was barebones as fuck in the early years. Combine that with the big PSN hack and yeah, it's not rocket science. Especially because XBL was the big dog in town back then.

Funnily enough, before you was permabanned on the other site you made a topic about why PSN shouldn't do cross-play due to cheaters outside the networ, because you kept getting beat in CoD. You should know better.

Also, MS never had an "exclusives are bad" campaign. Again, your insecurities are warping reality for you. And this publisher you're talking about had Sony moneyhat two separate games for a year and almost got a third (Starfield), so cry me a river.
Lmao forced crossplay would be terrible. There's all sorts of cheater's you will come up against.

And you think I can't handle myself on cross play? I average over a 3kd on warzone against Xbox and PC players who have all sorts of advantages over me and I don't even use a monitor. I literally get paid to coach on the game so save the drivel.

But when I'm not being paid you best believe cross play is turned off for some nice fair lobbies free from cheats.
 

Infamy v1

Member
Lmao forced crossplay would be terrible. There's all sorts of cheater's you will come up against.

And you think I can't handle myself on cross play? I average over a 3kd on warzone against Xbox and PC players who have all sorts of advantages over me and I don't even use a monitor. I literally get paid to coach on the game so save the drivel.

But when I'm not being paid you best believe cross play is turned off for some nice fair lobbies free from cheats.

Did...did you just retort with boasting about your k/d in CoD and brag about getting paid to do it? That's your rebuttal after getting absolutely fact checked and proven wrong with your tales-from-my-ass tirade?

LMFAO

"I average a 3k/d against Xbox and PC players on a television and they use monitors"

😂 holy shit...

Type in your name and the other site into Google and your posts complaining about crossplay in Warzone is literally the first thing that comes up, lmao.
 
Eh the more I read about this, the more this reeks of greed and fraud. I bet all these fucking senators are gonna get paid behind closed doors.
That's the world we live in. If you were a company exec you'd be under heavy pressure to bring in the profit, that means greasing the wheels and doing whatever you can to remove 'barriers'. Even beloved and martyred politicians like Abraham Lincoln did the same.
 

Gavon West

Member
What you mean is “I’m selfish, f*ck anyone else!”

there’s a difference between spending 70b to building studios and put their games on gamepass and buying 3rd party devs for 70b and putting them on gamepass.
You sound straight up butt hurt. MFs act like if they had the amount of money Microsoft has, they wouldn't cling to a deal like the Activision deal out of some moral, virtue signaling for gamers. Gimme a fucking break. The only reason you're so sad is because Sony didn't/couldn't do the same.

I wonder if you had the same energy when Sony bought Bungie or if they purchase From Software. Just curious ...
 

Gavon West

Member
Companies are not our friends, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft. All of them will say anything.

Taking away - stop being independent.

I don’t get fans, nobody see a problem with the richest of the big 3 buying 3rd party publishers instead of investing on studios of their own!
Nobody can see what message this sends to Apple, Tencent etc! The message it’s clear, we do not care about how companies operate, make us go into their platform.

Prove yourself you’ll add something to the gaming industry? Nah you can just buy studios!

For me a fan means they want the best for the company but they are also critical!
That's your problem. You take all this personally. Literally getting emotional over video games. To the Big 3, it's just business. Big companies betting on big numbers, present and future.

I think you may need a latte and pedicure bro. It really ain't that serious.
 

Zeroing

Banned
You sound straight up butt hurt. MFs act like if they had the amount of money Microsoft has, they wouldn't cling to a deal like the Activision deal out of some moral, virtue signaling for gamers. Gimme a fucking break. The only reason you're so sad is because Sony didn't/couldn't do the same.

I wonder if you had the same energy when Sony bought Bungie or if they purchase From Software. Just curious ...
Like I said before I do not give a fig about Sony, MS or Nintendo. Just because one is critical of one brand does not mean is a fan of the competition. Will you have the same energy as well????

yeah so butthurt because I cannot boot up my pc and use gamepass... people just go to lengths to deflect any criticism. I have been critical of all companies before but of course, people resort to "look at what the other brand is doing/will do" and is the the same people putting "like" to comments like yours to undermine any criticism of MS, Sony, Nintendo.
 

Zeroing

Banned
That's your problem. You take all this personally. Literally getting emotional over video games. To the Big 3, it's just business. Big companies betting on big numbers, present and future.

I think you may need a latte and pedicure bro. It really ain't that serious.
People, here get all emotional over a score of a game, the console you use or if a games had better graphics in one console vs another but you just think I am the emotional one?. Ok...
Anyway do not bother replying let's give CatLady CatLady a break, must be tiresome of always putting likes in anything that defends MS.
 

phil_t98

Gold Member
Hopefully we will see some franchises renewed when the deal goes through. They have a lot they ain’t using at the moment
 

John Wick

Member
Pot kettle black, etc.

Getting shut down with facts and nothing to retort with hurts that bad, huh?
Which facts were those? You stated something but provided f... all to back it up with. Am I to take your word for it? You make it out as though all the the other tech companies are the bad guys and MS is some superhero fighting for the consumer. They are all the same. Their bottom line is their most important goal.
MS is friendly with regulators so it can divert attention away from itself and to put heat on its competitors.
 

Vognerful

Member
When did we make it ok to copy paste full paywalled articles?
stop hating and start loving

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MScarpa

Member
..........
That diatribe went on forever man. You should call people out specifically because I don't have a clue who you're talking about, I will say this though. All I want to do is play video games and have fun. So if PSNOW or GAMEPASS or fucking TESLA want to give me "AMAZING" deals on gaming I'm all in. I don't give a shit who is profitable, i don't give a shit if it's sustainable, and i sure as shit don't care WHAT company I'm giving my money to. If the games aren't there, I move on.

Sounds like you're really stressed about the future of gaming. Maybe video games aren't for you anymore. There is always golf, maybe yoga? Ya'll worry too damn much! Play the games and have fun. Quit bitching on here like a bunch of children, despite being in your 30s. 😂

EDIT: I forgot too add, MS doesn't need to "recoup" anything. They didn't lose 75 billion in a ponzi scheme. They made a purchase, it has value. I can't understand how some of you don't understand this. Activision/Blizzard isn't all the sudden worth nothing. Shit cracks me up.
 
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phil_t98

Gold Member
That diatribe went on forever man. You should call people out specifically because I don't have a clue who you're talking about, I will say this though. All I want to do is play video games and have fun. So if PSNOW or GAMEPASS or fucking TESLA want to give me "AMAZING" deals on gaming I'm all in. I don't give a shit who is profitable, i don't give a shit if it's sustainable, and i sure as shit don't care WHAT company I'm giving my money to. If the games aren't there, I move on.

Sounds like you're really stressed about the future of gaming. Maybe video games aren't for you anymore. There is always golf, maybe yoga? Ya'll worry too damn much! Play the games and have fun. Quit bitching on here like a bunch of children, despite being in your 30s. 😂

EDIT: I forgot too add, MS doesn't need to "recoup" anything. They didn't lose 75 billion in a ponzi scheme. They made a purchase, it has value. I can't understand how some of you don't understand this. Activision/Blizzard isn't all the sudden worth nothing. Shit cracks me up.

Your right, never really thought about it like that. Its just money sitting in a bank. its not like they had to take out loans for it. The money will build back up reguardless
 

Kerotan

Member
Did...did you just retort with boasting about your k/d in CoD and brag about getting paid to do it? That's your rebuttal after getting absolutely fact checked and proven wrong with your tales-from-my-ass tirade?

LMFAO

"I average a 3k/d against Xbox and PC players on a television and they use monitors"

😂 holy shit...

Type in your name and the other site into Google and your posts complaining about crossplay in Warzone is literally the first thing that comes up, lmao.
Like I said unless I'm getting played I'll be on the far superior PlayStation only lobbies.

The rest are facts to respond to the bs you wrote about me not being able to handle crossplay lobbies. Of course I can't handle a hacker and neither can the best pc player's.

But it's hilarious when I'm on cross play lobbies the amount of people who think I'm on pc and hacking. All my stats are top 1% or in the case of my wins top 0.1%.
 

adamsapple

Gold Member
That diatribe went on forever man. You should call people out specifically because I don't have a clue who you're talking about, I will say this though. All I want to do is play video games and have fun. So if PSNOW or GAMEPASS or fucking TESLA want to give me "AMAZING" deals on gaming I'm all in. I don't give a shit who is profitable, i don't give a shit if it's sustainable, and i sure as shit don't care WHAT company I'm giving my money to. If the games aren't there, I move on.

Sounds like you're really stressed about the future of gaming. Maybe video games aren't for you anymore. There is always golf, maybe yoga? Ya'll worry too damn much! Play the games and have fun. Quit bitching on here like a bunch of children, despite being in your 30s. 😂

EDIT: I forgot too add, MS doesn't need to "recoup" anything. They didn't lose 75 billion in a ponzi scheme. They made a purchase, it has value. I can't understand how some of you don't understand this. Activision/Blizzard isn't all the sudden worth nothing. Shit cracks me up.

There is an immense amount of CONCERN ™ among some users here regarding the profitability of game pass or how MS, a multi trillion dollar company, can 'afford' it.

Thankfully most other users are enjoying all the games. MS's big spending is only beneficial for the gamers in the eco system.
 
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I believe the real reason Microsoft is willing to pay so much for Activision/Blizzard isn't solely about video games. They also want the massive engineering and coding talent that Activision has for Microsoft products company wide like Azure, Windows, Bing, etc. This is an opportunity to get big AAA properties, a large amount of legacy IPs, and engineering talent that came be used throughout Microsoft.
Doubt it, Microsoft is very bad at taking resources that exist in companies they buy and making them useful/integrated with something they're doing.
 

phil_t98

Gold Member
WSJ likes to use the $75B number because if you multiple the number of outstanding Activision shares by $95 you come out to a little over $74B. Microsoft press release says... "Microsoft will acquire Activision Blizzard for $95.00 per share, in an all-cash transaction valued at $68.7 billion, inclusive of Activision Blizzard’s net cash."
  • Activision Blizzard cash on hand for the quarter ending December 31, 2021 was $9.718B, a 31.06% increase year-over-year.

According to the SEC documents there are a lot of stipulations to that breakup fee. Including regulators asking Microsoft agree alter the deal in any way the substantially degrades the asset they are trying to acquire.

I believe the real reason Microsoft is willing to pay so much for Activision/Blizzard isn't solely about video games. They also want the massive engineering and coding talent that Activision has for Microsoft products company wide like Azure, Windows, Bing, etc. This is an opportunity to get big AAA properties, a large amount of legacy IPs, and engineering talent that came be used throughout Microsoft.

I think it’s to have a major release every 2-3 months. They have the studios for that now so can see that happening
 

Infamy v1

Member
Which facts were those? You stated something but provided f... all to back it up with. Am I to take your word for it? You make it out as though all the the other tech companies are the bad guys and MS is some superhero fighting for the consumer. They are all the same. Their bottom line is their most important goal.
MS is friendly with regulators so it can divert attention away from itself and to put heat on its competitors.

Get the fuck outta here, it was posted multiple times throughout the thread and it's common knowledge MS almost got broken up in the 90's due to regulatory practices, like AT&T and big oil. I'm not going to waste my time providing links with common knowledge to a Sony shill (you like that word, right?) like yourself who, judging from previous remarks, ignores logic and is a slave to a plastic box.

I didn't make it out to be anything about super heroes fighting bad guys, stop deflecting your insecurities my way. The fact is Microsoft has been on the regulators side since the 90s and even more so in conjunction with Epic against other tech giants who have terrible anti-consumer practices that happen to be massive competitors to Microsoft, hence their continued vested interest. Obviously these corporations only care about money but that is besides the point. You're trying to create revisionist history out of uneducated FUD.

Google is your friend.
 

John Wick

Member
Get the fuck outta here, it was posted multiple times throughout the thread and it's common knowledge MS almost got broken up in the 90's due to regulatory practices, like AT&T and big oil. I'm not going to waste my time providing links with common knowledge to a Sony shill (you like that word, right?) like yourself who, judging from previous remarks, ignores logic and is a slave to a plastic box.

I didn't make it out to be anything about super heroes fighting bad guys, stop deflecting your insecurities my way. The fact is Microsoft has been on the regulators side since the 90s and even more so in conjunction with Epic against other tech giants who have terrible anti-consumer practices that happen to be massive competitors to Microsoft, hence their continued vested interest. Obviously these corporations only care about money but that is besides the point. You're trying to create revisionist history out of uneducated FUD.

Google is your friend.
Pot Kettle Black?
The only reason MS is on the regulators side is because it has no App Store like Apple or Google. It's main OS system platform (PC) is an open platform. The MS store pales in comparison to Apple, Google and even Steam when it comes to games and Apps.
But just because MS are slyly trying to stay on the right side of regulators does that make them any better than any of the other tech giants? Your defence and advocacy of MS makes you think they are. So maybe you need to get yourself in order before telling others.
I think you need to stop ranting and calm down.
Google is my friend?
Well I'm not gonna use Bing now am I?
 
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Lognor

Banned
Like I said unless I'm getting played I'll be on the far superior PlayStation only lobbies.

The rest are facts to respond to the bs you wrote about me not being able to handle crossplay lobbies. Of course I can't handle a hacker and neither can the best pc player's.

But it's hilarious when I'm on cross play lobbies the amount of people who think I'm on pc and hacking. All my stats are top 1% or in the case of my wins top 0.1%.
wow you're kind of a big deal!
 

CatLady

Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Watch him on other threads how they discuss pleasantly that Sony should acquire Capcom, square, etc.
So true, he's so full of shit. He tries to pretend he's impartial and above it all but all he constantly criticizes Xbox and praises and defends Sony. Xbox acquisitions BAD. Sony acquisitions GOOD.

Here he is justifying and rationalizing why Sony buying studios is fine, good:

While in the same thread criticizing Xbox making acquisitions:
 

RoboFu

One of the green rats
Side note isn’t activision the oldest video game developers/ publisher? They’ve been around since the Atari days for sure. I know Nintendo and Namco are as well.
 

Gavon West

Member
Like I said before I do not give a fig about Sony, MS or Nintendo. Just because one is critical of one brand does not mean is a fan of the competition. Will you have the same energy as well????

yeah so butthurt because I cannot boot up my pc and use gamepass... people just go to lengths to deflect any criticism. I have been critical of all companies before but of course, people resort to "look at what the other brand is doing/will do" and is the the same people putting "like" to comments like yours to undermine any criticism of MS, Sony, Nintendo.
I prefer Xbox straight down. Of course I'm all for whatever they put on GP and the acquisitions they make to do so. I dont care for Sony or Nintendo - at all, frankly. I dont care who they acquire. It has no affect on the ongoing backlog I currently possess or my enjoyment of them. I cant critique anything Microsoft is doing right now, I'm eating good. Not to say there isnt anything they couldnt polish up a bit, but, none of thr Big 3 are perfect.
 

SSfox

Lies about why mods reply ban and warn me.
Once done, hopefully they can finally start dropping some real video games news.
 

reksveks

Member
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