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Microsoft’s Xbox boss says Amazon and Google are ‘the main competitors going forward’

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Lol.

These same kats will still be talking about "most consoles sold" even after Cloud gaming takes off. And it will. It's literally the future of gaming. That and Services like Gamepass.
Welcome to 2009. Literally, you couldn't even come up with a new slogan. :messenger_tears_of_joy:


invested in Cloud technology
Yet, xCloud is just rack mounted consoles. :messenger_tears_of_joy:


Curious, what is your experience working with as a developer or administrating any of Microsoft's cloud services, or any other cloud service provider? Do you not understand your statements are not making any sense to people that do work with these technologies? If I allow remote processing to servers or services in my house, I am a cloud service provider? 🤔 What kind of secret sauce do you think Microsoft is in possession of?
 

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Lol.

These same kats will still be talking about "most consoles sold" even after Cloud gaming takes off. And it will. It's literally the future of gaming. That and Services like Gamepass.
From the company that knew that TV TV TV was the future of gaming.... I think their crystal ball was dropped a few too many times!

Streaming is a dead duck. It's console gaming without the balls....
 
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How about addressing this then:

Paying subscribers for Netflix, final quarter 2019: 167 Million
(https://www.statista.com/statistics/250934/quarterly-number-of-netflix-streaming-subscribers-worldwide/)

That's not much more than PS4 sales probably will end up with, considering Netflix is delivering a streaming service to the same 7 Billion people MS is going to aim for.

And that is a movie/series streaming service, which will have a far easier time getting subscribers than a gaming streaming service will for a long time to come.
Hey dont get me wrong, i hate streaming, its going to happen, we are not going to be playing on consoles with physical games 20 or 30 years from now, but i still hate it.
I'm not even agreeing with, or suggesting Spencer is right with what he's saying, i'm just saying that he is clearly talking about streaming in this article, so all these Xbox is doomed, Microsoft desperately want out of the console business (which people have been saying for years now, and they still keep announcing and launching new consoles) style posts are pointless to what he's said.
I mean sure they will be getting out of the hardware side at some point in the future, but all of them will be.
 

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Hey dont get me wrong, i hate streaming, its going to happen, we are not going to be playing on consoles with physical games 20 or 30 years from now, but i still hate it.
I'm not even agreeing with, or suggesting Spencer is right with what he's saying, i'm just saying that he is clearly talking about streaming in this article, so all these Xbox is doomed, Microsoft desperately want out of the console business (which people have been saying for years now, and they still keep announcing and launching new consoles) style posts are pointless to what he's said.
I mean sure they will be getting out of the hardware side at some point in the future, but all of them will be.
Fair enough, what you say isn't unreasonable. Although 20-30 years might still be optimistic , but that’s too far into the future. Lol
 
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Fair enough, what you say isn't unreasonable. Although 20-30 years might still be optimistivlc, but that’s too far into the future. Lol
Yeah, No shit! Nintendo could have there own cloud by then and focus on the games now!
 

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Yeah just googled (not binged) it 3.5 billion smartphones worldwide 2.5 of which are android. 7 Billion is a big number out of somebodies ass....
Whenever someone says they are only need to get a percentage of this huge market, or X number of people... you know they are full of shit. Its literally in the don'ts in investment pitching, the show Shark Tanks literally will laugh people out of the room when they start that bullshit.

Basically, they're bailing and instead of just bailing.... they come up with yet another silly marketing pitch.

"This is our plan to take over the world!"
I'm like motherfuckers, you can't even get a digital store working on your own OS.! LOL How about we take a baby step and just fix your fucking Store? :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Hey Microsoft, before you dominate the world with cloud gaming, can you do a brother a solid... .and fix my fucking Surface so I don't have to heat it up with hairdryer in the morning to start it? :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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Fair enough, what you say isn't unreasonable. Although 20-30 years might still be optimistivlc, but that’s too far into the future. Lol
Well i'm just saying we wont be playing on consoles 20 or 30 years from now, it will probably happen sooner. I do feel we will get atleast one more gen after the coming gen, i think with the gen after that, one or all of Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo will try streaming only.
Imo the only platform that will survive streaming is PC, simply because there is so much money involved with hardware on PC, and so many users that literally care just as much about hardware and benchmarking etc than they do actual games themselves. Plus the likes of AMD, Nvidia, and Intel etc obvioulsy wont be wanting a streaming ONLY future on PC.
 
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Um...maybe because Microsoft has decades and 10's of billions of dollars invested in Cloud technology and the same in gaming. That's something no other company can say right now. Just a guess...
Ok, I get that opinion - But when has infrastructure been the biggest reason for success? What's going to drive non-Xbox fans to it?

I can't see it becoming the market leader for streaming, without killer exclusive content, that you can't get on any other streaming options. It runs contrary to all the exclusives don't matter talk most Xbox fans have been peddling on gaming message boards.
 

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How about addressing this then:

Paying subscribers for Netflix, final quarter 2019: 167 Million
(https://www.statista.com/statistics/250934/quarterly-number-of-netflix-streaming-subscribers-worldwide/)

That's not much more than PS4 sales probably will end up with, considering Netflix is delivering a streaming service to the same 7 Billion people MS is going to aim for.

And that is a movie/series streaming service, which will have a far easier time getting subscribers than a gaming streaming service will for a long time to come.
You think you smoove my guy. I see you though. Lol.

What you fail to realize is these are S U B S C R I B E R S . This means they pay a fee EVERY. SINGLE. MONTH! This is what we call...
R E S I D U A L I N C O M E.

If only there was a gaming service with the ability to play games on mobile devices while away from home. Lets just ignore the fact that Netflix only offers movies and tv shows.. They dont have DLC for their content and what have you, to add to their monthly fees. And they dont sell their exclusives.

Microsoft wont need to even reach 167 million subscribers to make the kind of revenue akin to Netflix with a gaming service like Gamepass playing over Xcloud. Movies arent games. In fact, Netflix wishes they had a gaming service like Gamepass.
But I'm glad you brought this up.

If you take the Netflix business model and put that into a service like Gamepass (over 250+ games and counting) can you see the potential and, how much money is left on the table if you dont have something like Xcloud to tap into all that money left on the table? This is exactly why Sony and Nintendo wont "be fine". And why Sony won't dominate next generation. Its not just Microsoft. Its Amazon and Google, too. Thats the whole point....

I'm done with this conversation. You'll see for yourselves soon enough.
 
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You think you smoove my guy. I see you though. Lol.

What you fail to realize is these are S U B S C R I B E R S . This means they pay a fee EVERY. SINGLE. MONTH! This is what we call...
R E S I D U A L I N C O M E.

If only there was a gaming service with the ability to play games on mobile devices while away from home. Lets just ignore the fact that Netflix only offers movies and tv shows.. They dont have DLC for their content and what have you, to add to their monthly fees. And they dont sell their exclusives.

Microsoft wont need to even reach 167 million subscribers to make the kind of revenue akin to Netflix with a gaming service like Gamepass playing over Xcloud. Movies arent games. In fact, Netflix wishes they had a gaming service like Gamepass.
But I'm glad you brought this up.

If you take the Netflix business model and put that into a service like Gamepass (over 250+ games and counting) can you see the potential and, how much money is left on the table if you dont have something like Xcloud to tap into all that money left on the table? This is exactly why Sony and Nintendo wont "be fine". And why Sony won't dominate next generation. Its not just Microsoft. Its Amazon and Google, too. Thats the whole point....

I'm done with this conversation. You'll see for yourselves soon enough.
You're delusional if you think a games streaming service will be even remotely successful to the point of being comparable to Netflix today.

Not even in 30 years.
 
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Sony. A "traditional gaming company". LOL. That's hilarious.

I guess when you know you can't beat someone you look for new challenges, so I'll give MS that.

... if Sony isn't a competitor anymore, then MS should put Halo and Gears and Forza on PS5.
Basically what many of us were saying for quite some time, i.e. lost in devices, move to services. The problem is they are all in on cloud gaming.... Nadella will learn the hard way on this one.

He's trying to run his mobile strategy but its not the same market. They are trying to change the rules with cloud gaming but there its already an oversaturated market with no real demand or customers.

“I voted no,” Nadella writes. “I did not get why the world needed the third ecosystem in phones unless we changed the rules … But it was too late to regain the ground we had lost. We were chasing our competitors’ taillights.”

I would imagine this would horrorify the declining console users or the few crazy people using the Microsoft Store, brave fucking souls.
 
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Like I'll give the guy something, if I was in his position I might say some of the same stuff but you should be focusing on getting people to buy your new hardware.

I understand they're big on cloud gaming but it's not a popular topic at the moment after Stadia's downfall. It would be like trying to promote a VR device right after the Virtual Boy. Give it time MS.

Point is. Shut up about it and focus on your new console. Why should any of us buy it at the moment? They need to start convincing us here.
 

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You're delusional if you think a games streaming service will be even remotely successful to the point of being comparable to Netflix today.

Not even in 30 years.
Again, I said they wont have to have 167 million subscribers to make the revenue Netflix does. Netflix doesnt sell their movies and dont have DLC like games do. There's a reason why gaming is the most lucrative, most successful form of entertainment in the world. They double the money movies, tv and music do because games have a much longer shelf life. Well, I mean, at least Xbox games do. ...Lol
 
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Like I'll give the guy something, if I was in his position I might say some of the same stuff but you should be focusing on getting people to buy your new hardware.

I understand they're big on cloud gaming but it's not a popular topic at the moment after Stadia's downfall. It would be like trying to promote a VR device right after the Virtual Boy. Give it time MS.

Point is. Shut up about it and focus on your new console. Why should any of us buy it at the moment? They need to start convincing us here.
They're running out of time or getting there fast i.e. Nadella wants service revenue. Give it say another 6-8 quarters and watch the craziness.

Gaming revenue is going to drop hard, imo, this isn't helping... I agree there but what else is there? Nadella wants to hear about subscription numbers and service revenue numbers. And Phil has got jack without giving shit away for free.

And since when is Sony a traditional gaming company?

They just showcased a Car at CES..
Same thing they did with Apple when they finally admitted defeat. Gifts that keep giving. :messenger_tears_of_joy: We didn't lose! We're fighting in other markets.

 
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Jesus Christ....are you even serious right now?

You still stuck on consoles being sold. Talk about bad loser talk. Lol. Your post is like bad loser talk on a cassette tape playing on a Walkman during the Regan administration. Holy shit! Some of you guys, I'm convinced, just woke up out of a time machine.
Explain to me how I’m a loser when I own a PS4 and a Switch, and the only reason I don’t own an Xbox is because it doesn’t have a single exclusive I’m interested in.
 
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They're running out of time or getting there fast i.e. Nadella wants service revenue. Give it say another 6-8 quarters and watch the craziness.

Gaming revenue is going to drop hard, imo, this isn't helping... I agree there but what else is there? Nadella wants to hear about subscription numbers and service revenue numbers.
If they want to go the Netflix route so badly, then sell the console for dirt cheap (if not free) and with Live/Gamepass/whatever, I get access to the entire Xbox Library. They could even tier it such that one subscription gives games released in the past year, another gives all Series X games, and I could tack on subscriptions for Xbox, Xbox 360, and Xbox One games. All DLC is "free" as it's part of the subscription. If I want to play Halo 3, I download it to my hard drive, delete games I don't want to play anytime soon, and play.

EDIT: Third parties that want a little extra can go the theater run movie route. Their games could get a delay to appear on the subscription service for 3-4 months. But that would increase licensing and print run fees.
 
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Again, I said they wont have to have 167 million subscribers to make the revenue Netflix does. Netflix doesnt sell their movies and dont have DLC like games do. There's a reason why gaming is the most lucrative, most successful form of entertainment in the world. They double the money movies, tv and music do because games have a much longer shelf life. Well, I mean, at least Xbox games do. ...Lol
Xbox games have a longer shelf life, that much is true.
But not in the way you meant it.

MS streaming future can only be bright if they open up to streaming on Playstation and Nintendo too.
You know, like a third party.
 

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Like I'll give the guy something, if I was in his position I might say some of the same stuff but you should be focusing on getting people to buy your new hardware.

I understand they're big on cloud gaming but it's not a popular topic at the moment after Stadia's downfall. It would be like trying to promote a VR device right after the Virtual Boy. Give it time MS.

Point is. Shut up about it and focus on your new console. Why should any of us buy it at the moment? They need to start convincing us here.
Fuckin thank you! Every interview should be about the new Xbox and its games. Phil's only public focus should be selling customers on why Xbox is the place to be. I certainly wouldn't be talking about streaming, when I have new hardware to sell. If any gaming media journalist (lol) tried to steer the conversation towards streaming, while interviewing Phil, he should flat out state "I can only discuss the new exciting games and hardware we have planned."
 

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If they want to go the Netflix route so badly, then sell the console for dirt cheap (if not free) and with Live/Gamepass/whatever, I get access to the entire Xbox Library. They could even tier it such that one subscription gives games released in the past year, another gives all Series X games, and I could tack on subscriptions for Xbox, Xbox 360, and Xbox One games. All DLC is "free" as it's part of the subscription. If I want to play Halo 3, I download it to my hard drive, delete games I don't want to play anytime soon, and play.

EDIT: Third parties that want a little extra can go the theater run movie route. Their games could get a delay to appear on the subscription service for 3-4 months. But that would increase licensing and print run fees.
Well, that has been a discussion on this forum, whether any of these rental/streaming services are economically viable.... I have serious doubts. Digital sales is how the big money is being made,. What you are suggestion is kind of what they have been doing, in part, subsidies for hardware and try and make up on the back end in software/services.

If Xbox as a segment is not economically viable, than it is no surprise Nadella is asking for services.... but Nadella wants unbridled services on a wide selection of devices. This worked with Office 365 but I have serious doubts it works in gaming for them.

They are now trying to say they are different than Sony and Nintendo, but really what is different... nobody really wants i.e. services especially cloud gaming.

Just my take, they are now chasing a non-existent user market that is a money loser, imo. Like jumping out of a plane with no parachute.

I certainly wouldn't be talking about streaming, when I have new hardware to sell.
Yeah, but his boss said he doesn't have a job unless he sells services. I mean I get what you are saying but Nadella don't give a shit about that fucking hardware.
 
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What I don't understand is, if Microsoft (and Sony/Google/Amazon etc) are so keen to get games into these "billions" of people who own smart phones, why not just make fucking smart phone games? No one in their right mind can seriously think that playing COD on a small mobile phone screen trying to shoot someone on the other side of the map is going to function correctly... I mean honestly, who exactly are they trying to reach with their bullshit?

As for Phil Spencer, either you are focused on consoles or not. The way he is going and taking the Xbox brand, i'm out of wanting to buy the series X console. To me it appears that they are focusing so little on the actual games and console and everything else surrounding it! Phil, don't worry about who you perceive to be your competitors, as you haven't beaten anyone in 3 fucking generations! Just focus on making great exclusive games and give CONSOLE gamers what they want!
 

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What I don't understand is, if Microsoft (and Sony/Google/Amazon etc) are so keen to get games into these "billions" of people who own smart phones, why not just make fucking smart phone games? No one in their right mind can seriously think that playing COD on a small mobile phone screen trying to shoot someone on the other side of the map is going to function correctly... I mean honestly, who exactly are they trying to reach with their bullshit?

As for Phil Spencer, either you are focused on consoles or not. The way he is going and taking the Xbox brand, i'm out of wanting to buy the series X console. To me it appears that they are focusing so little on the actual games and console and everything else surrounding it! Phil, don't worry about who you perceive to be your competitors, as you haven't beaten anyone in 3 fucking generations! Just focus on making great exclusive games and give CONSOLE gamers what they want!
From a publishers POV it makes sense, basically write game once deploy than stream it, and subscriptions! The only thing that would need to be deployed to X number of devices is the client. In reality though, most of these games are not really ideal other than the platform/device they were intended.... as you mentioned.

Lots of wishful thinking... delusional corporations.
 

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What I don't understand is, if Microsoft (and Sony/Google/Amazon etc) are so keen to get games into these "billions" of people who own smart phones, why not just make fucking smart phone games? No one in their right mind can seriously think that playing COD on a small mobile phone screen trying to shoot someone on the other side of the map is going to function correctly... I mean honestly, who exactly are they trying to reach with their bullshit?

As for Phil Spencer, either you are focused on consoles or not. The way he is going and taking the Xbox brand, i'm out of wanting to buy the series X console. To me it appears that they are focusing so little on the actual games and console and everything else surrounding it! Phil, don't worry about who you perceive to be your competitors, as you haven't beaten anyone in 3 fucking generations! Just focus on making great exclusive games and give CONSOLE gamers what they want!
And it sounds like, based on what people are saying Nadella - his boss - wants, they really shouldn't be making a console at all, because the nature of what makes a console a console is running against what he wants to do.
 
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You'll be able to access your PS5 library via the internet just like on XCloud. Sony is using Azure to do that. They didn't spend billions of dollars to build the infrastructure for it. That's what Spencer is talking about.

People here like to laugh and mock "the cloud", but Amazon's AWS is taking over the planet. Hell, my best friend who was a software engineer for 18 years is now pivoting and getting certified on AWS because that's what people demand now. MS realizes that.
I'm also in the midst of studying to get AWS certified. There's palpable demand for it. I'm not interested in gaming on it, but I'll let someone pay me to manage it for them. :)
 

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This is kind of a double edged sword, assuming it eventually takes off. Look at the streaming TV market. At first, everyone had to have Netflix. Then it was Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon. No big deal. And then the content owners saw what was going on and realized they didn't need Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon. They could create their own streaming services and get all that streaming service money paid directly to themselves. Which left consumers in the position that, if we want access to everything, things suddenly got a lot more expensive.

Say the same thing happens to streaming gaming (and I don't think there's a reason to believe it won't). Sega, Squenix, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Capcom, Rockstar, Ubisoft, Activision, EA, etc... all decide that they no longer need to be beholden to Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo to get their games in front of players - they can start their own streaming services and cut out the middle man. And all of a sudden you need a subscription to all of those services to play all the games you want to play.

The only mitigating factor here for Microsoft is that they own the infrastructure for one of the major cloud services. So they'll make money on the back end regardless. But they'll also lose to Amazon and Google on some things as well.
 

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What you fail to realize is these are S U B S C R I B E R S . This means they pay a fee EVERY. SINGLE. MONTH! This is what we call...
R E S I D U A L I N C O M E.
Who calls this residual income? I think you should get a dictionary.... MS Encarta if you still have a copy.

Such forward thinking MS... didn't see Wikipedia coming did they?
 

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Yeah just googled (not binged) it 3.5 billion smartphones worldwide 2.5 of which are android. 7 Billion is a big number out of somebodies ass....
The number of active smartphones correlates heavily with the number of people in the world who are not in poverty. Another thing that correlates heavily with that is the number of people with Internet access (est. 3.5 billion people):


The number of people in poverty is roughly half the world's population.


Good luck selling XCloud to people who earn less than $1.25 a day, don't have a roof over their heads to speak of, don't have access to clean running water and can barely afford food.

Internet access (nevermind a stable one that has enough bandwidth for game streaming) and gaming are way down these peoples lists of priorities, its not even on the spectrum. We forget that in the grand scale of things we are all in a position of privilege, sitting here with our stable Internet connections and whatever device we are using to access said Internet. In our world Netflix is mainstream but on a global scale its really not, hence the relatively (against 7+ billion) low subscriber numbers of circa 160 million.

It actually irks me that he said 7 billion people. Complete lack of perspective and it smacks of ignorance. What's even more ridiculous is that you now have his disciplines parroting the 7 billion line.
 
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Who calls this residual income? I think you should get a dictionary.... MS Encarta if you still have a copy.

Such forward thinking MS... didn't see Wikipedia coming did they?
I think its you who needs to grab a dictionary. Residual Income is income a person or company makes after the work is completed. That is to say; ongoing income and/or revenue. Subscribers to any service such as Netflix or Gamepass are the very defintion of Residual income as they pay every month for the service all ready up and running.
 
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I think its you who needs to grab a dictionary. Residual Income is income a person or company makes after the work is completed. That is to say; ongoing income and/or revenue. Subscribers to any service such as Netflix or Gamepass are the very defintion of Residual income as they pay every month for the service all ready up and running.
Recurring income is the term you are looking for.
 
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Stadia ain't much of a competitor. I have no doubt MS will surpass it. In fact, if there was competition between the two to make it a close horse race, something really bad happened with the next xbox.
 
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No, No they don't


What you fail to realize is these are S U B S C R I B E R S . This means they pay a fee EVERY. SINGLE. MONTH! This is what we call...
R E S I D U A L I N C O M E.
What you are looking for is subscription Revenue or maybe Service Revenue if you want to stretch it... But definitely not Residual Income... Residual income is the Income Rod Serling's estate gets from Netflix "not the subscriber" for allowing Netflix to play Twilight Zone.
Netflix does not get residual income from the subscriber as you clearly stated.
 

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Another incredibly dumb statement. How can you declare two mega-corps your competitors when you can't even best Nintendo?
 
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Another incredibly dumb statement. How can you declare two mega-corps your competitors when you can't even best Nintendo?
Sorry but Nintendo and Sony have nothing beyond Consoles and hardware. Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Google and Facebook are increasingly competing in the gaming space. Microsoft certainly has the presence to compete with these giants and are adapting to compete with their Big tech peers. Sony and Nintendo do not have the capability to compete beyond consoles as they don't have the internet services to expand their ecosystem in.

Imagine streaming a AAA game on Facebook, Youtube, Twitch, Mixer and being able to promote your platform's games on Amazon.com, Google search, Bing etc.

That's what Sony and Nintendo will have to compete with.
 
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Sorry but Nintendo and Sony have nothing beyond Consoles and hardware. Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Google and Facebook are increasingly competing in the gaming space. Microsoft certainly has the presence to compete with these giants and are adapting to compete with their Big tech peers. Sony and Nintendo do not have the capability to compete beyond consoles as they don't have the internet services to expand their ecosystem in.

Imagine streaming a AAA game on Facebook, Youtube, Twitch, Mixer and being able to promote your platform's games on Amazon.com, Google search, Bing etc.

That's what Sony and Nintendo will have to compete with.
Sony and Nintendo will keep using Twitch, Facebook, YouTube, etc... not sure what the problem is...

Ah yes, that is it: you believe that these companies would destroy third parties confidence in services that make the bulk of revenue from third parties to crush gaming consoles. Just like people believed AWS, GCP, and Azure would screw Nintendo and Sony over and refuse to partner with them as their gaming focused sub-groups were competing against them in the gaming sector 🙄.
 

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Sorry but Nintendo and Sony have nothing beyond Consoles and hardware. Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Google and Facebook are increasingly competing in the gaming space. Microsoft certainly has the presence to compete with these giants and are adapting to compete with their Big tech peers. Sony and Nintendo do not have the capability to compete beyond consoles as they don't have the internet services to expand their ecosystem in.

Imagine streaming a AAA game on Facebook, Youtube, Twitch, Mixer and being able to promote your platform's games on Amazon.com, Google search, Bing etc.

That's what Sony and Nintendo will have to compete with.
Imagine is a John Lennon song. In the here and now, they should just try to get a W once in the console space. It’s okay to dream, so long as you have one foot rooted in reality. AAA streaming is a long way off... google just found that out the hard way. There’s a reason why fighters work their way up to a big fight rather than just going for the world title on thei first match, not only to prove they are worthy but also to condition themselves. If Microsoft’s size makes them so formidable, why have they gotten that ass kicked 3 out of 3 Times?
 
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Do you actually believe that the server racks are the only component of a cloud steaming service? Or even the most important part?
Its immaterial to the conversation, as that guy doesn't know and is clearly making stuff up. I would say this forum has gotten to the point of just spreading technology bs about 9o%+ of the time. They don't moderate it either. The term "cloud" is a made up marketing term, about 12 years ago or so Amazon started marketing it as part of AWS. One day we started hearing the term, and we were like wth is "cloud" and than the light bulb came on and we're like they are just talking about remote processing, which has existed for decades.

We have the Flat Earth Society of tech here, which is crazy since this is suppose to be a gaming site - no moderation at all on tech or more like the lack of tech. We might as well have people saying the internet is a "series of tubes". The bad part about all this is.... it dumbs down other people that read it, so its a pet peeve of mine.

To answer your question, generally speaking... these processes have to run the same in their data center as they would at your house. There are things for internet traffic like load balancing, databases, etc. but to me those are things anyone can do - Microsoft nor anyone else has a strangle hold on these types of tech. At the end of the day, both Sony and Microsoft are stacking consoles in racks.... those consoles are generally going to work the same as in your house, although they'll have some type of additional software to control them, and to distribute the processing for them. But lets say one day they virtualize them (consoles), even the virtualized ones would have to run the same or very similar to the hardware you have in your house... that's the whole point... to copy an existing hardware/software that appears to be boxed in a virtualized environment i.e. virtual machine.

So... eventually one of these cats might VM them but to the end user there is no real difference in that instance.... it just adds efficiency, more or less. The end user should not really witness anything new, generally speaking as most of this tech is just mimicking existing tech in a different way.

That doesn't mean there isn't some cool tech that Microsoft has but at the end of the day, its more about efficiency than it is magic. There is no magic. Basically, these people on this forum oversell what Azure (and other cloud service provider have) and the crazy part is 99.999% that are talking about it, not only have never used the services as an administrator or developer.... they really have no idea what it is. Half of them think Sony is using Azure, why, because they don't know what it is.

But at the end of the day cloud streaming is more or less a loser business and generally a bad product compared to natively processing for gaming, so its like us arguing over who is uglier Trump or Hillary.
 

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Its immaterial to the conversation, as that guy doesn't know and is clearly making stuff up. I would say this forum has gotten to the point of just spreading technology bs about 9o%+ of the time. They don't moderate it either. The term "cloud" is a made up marketing term, about 12 years ago or so Amazon started marketing it as part of AWS. One day we started hearing the term, and we were like wth is "cloud" and than the light bulb came on and we're like they are just talking about remote processing, which has existed for decades.

We have the Flat Earth Society of tech here, which is crazy since this is suppose to be a gaming site - no moderation at all on tech or more like the lack of tech. We might as well have people saying the internet is a "series of tubes". The bad part about all this is.... it dumbs down other people that read it, so its a pet peeve of mine.

To answer your question, generally speaking... these processes have to run the same in their data center as they would at your house. There are things for internet traffic like load balancing, databases, etc. but to me those are things anyone can do - Microsoft nor anyone else has a strangle hold on these types of tech. At the end of the day, both Sony and Microsoft are stacking consoles in racks.... those consoles are generally going to work the same as in your house, although they'll have some type of additional software to control them, and to distribute the processing for them. But lets say one day they virtualize them (consoles), even the virtualized ones would have to run the same or very similar to the hardware you have in your house... that's the whole point... to copy an existing hardware/software that appears to be boxed in a virtualized environment i.e. virtual machine.

So... eventually one of these cats might VM them but to the end user there is no real difference in that instance.... it just adds efficiency, more or less. The end user should not really witness anything new, generally speaking as most of this tech is just mimicking existing tech in a different way.

That doesn't mean there isn't some cool tech that Microsoft has but at the end of the day, its more about efficiency than it is magic. There is no magic. Basically, these people on this forum oversell what Azure (and other cloud service provider have) and the crazy part is 99.999% that are talking about it, not only have never used the services as an administrator or developer.... they really have no idea what it is. Half of them think Sony is using Azure, why, because they don't know what it is.

But at the end of the day cloud streaming is more or less a loser business and generally a bad product compared to natively processing for gaming, so its like us arguing over who is uglier Trump or Hillary.
All good points, but don't you think there is an edge to be found in compression technology?
 
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Sorry but Nintendo and Sony have nothing beyond Consoles and hardware. Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Google and Facebook are increasingly competing in the gaming space. Microsoft certainly has the presence to compete with these giants and are adapting to compete with their Big tech peers. Sony and Nintendo do not have the capability to compete beyond consoles as they don't have the internet services to expand their ecosystem in.

Imagine streaming a AAA game on Facebook, Youtube, Twitch, Mixer and being able to promote your platform's games on Amazon.com, Google search, Bing etc.

That's what Sony and Nintendo will have to compete with.
That's like saying Microsoft can't compete in gaming and hardware because they no longer make a mobile phone, how is Microsoft going to compete with Google or Apple if they don't have a phone?

How is Microsoft going to compete in the home, they don't make TVs?
 
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All good points, but don't you think there is an edge to be found in compression technology?
Oh there could be and probably is, but at this point, I doubt the edge is even measurable.... what does it matter if someone is compressing at 3ms or 3.25ms... its really the stuff they can't control i.e. internet latency, imo.

But lets say they get to the point where 90% of gamers are satisfied with the results, generally its going to cost more. Even, if they got to the point of VMs those efficiencies will never outweigh all the management and extra costs that are incurred plus profit margin. In enterprise/business, these things make it easier to manage and to keep headcount down i.e. savings to businesses. Those types of savings will never be a factor in the consumer world as nobody needs a company to manage their game console for them... that is really what this is.... a 3rd party is managing your game console. Why do I need that?

That is why people (consumers) generally don't run Virtual Desktops at home, they cost more.
 
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