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Microsoft Flight Simulator - Xbox Series X vs Xbox Series S Graphics Comparison

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Considering Flight Simulator is heavily bound by CPU and DirectX 12 has a lot more functionality to handle parallel threads....yeah, I expect a good deal of improvement. I think we will see this improvement on Xbox consoles carry over to PC when they get around to it. Not every game has the CPU demands MSFS does and so the upgrade to DX12U will be welcome. Regardless, when that happens, only then will we be able to truly compare.

The developers themselves have said that DirectX 12 won't improve things much if at all. It may instead enable them to do things like ray tracing and other DX12-only effects.

The optimization that people expected to come with DX12 is already coming tomorrow without any need for DX12.
 

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Gamers will destroy any thing they play on their games, in real life.

When I started flight simulator, it was too complicated. might need more research, how to actually fly the damn thing. Downloading it now. Will give it a go again.

Also for the autopilot, dont you need to press certain buttons? and also make sure you are in the right spot for auto pilot. Been seeing these type of thing in the movies. Unless they are also wrong.

Indeed. The autopilot is actually one of the most complex and satisfying aspects of flight simulation. It's not a magical button that flies the aircraft itself. It's a series of controls of increasing complexity as you graduate from light aircraft to business jets, to airliners.

You're pretty literally telling the aircraft what to do and it does it, which feels great :D
 

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This isn't about the Series S specifically. Nothing you posted is relevant to MSFS. I'd prefer not derailing this. XSS is a fine console. I know. I bought one.
Wasnt this started by the series S performance?

My main topic was that, this console can run this game fine. It has been optimized for the series S. Something other devs dont really care. They still ignore the 1080p, or 1440p option the series S has.
 

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Think the PC patch has gone live as i checked Gamepass a couple of days ago and you needed 141gb of space, just checked now and its down to 123gb of space needed.
May download and check.
 

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This game is getting a ton of hype. Is this considered a system seller?

Is that still a thing considering the times that we're in?
 

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Wasnt this started by the series S performance?

My main topic was that, this console can run this game fine. It has been optimized for the series S. Something other devs dont really care. They still ignore the 1080p, or 1440p option the series S has.

No, this was started by this idea that MSFS "fries" high end PCs while Xbox Series S handles it just fine. Not a valid comparison. Either way, my comment was intended to disparage XSS.

The developers themselves have said that DirectX 12 won't improve things much if at all. It may instead enable them to do things like ray tracing and other DX12-only effects.

The optimization that people expected to come with DX12 is already coming tomorrow without any need for DX12.

Great news then. The PC version certainly needs that optimization.
 

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This game is getting a ton of hype. Is this considered a system seller?

Is that still a thing considering the times that we're in?
Its not a system seller in the sense millions of gamers are going to go and buy an Xbox for it, but the game is going to do a lot better than people think on here. There is a lot of closed minded 'its a flight sim', iits too complcated for console gamers', etc, when in reality you can taylor the game into what you want.
Like i have said in the past, i put 80 hours into the game and all i did was turn the sim controls off, pick different airports around the world, then went exploring ina plane.
And that will IMo be what the majority of people will do with this.
 

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I bet a series X that most people will not play this for more than 1 hour before uninstalling regardless of platform choice. The ones that do stay are the ones that will regularly do trans-oceanic flights or do air traffic control RP. It's a "game" for the latter not the former. But back on topic, this game is a glimpse at open-world's final form.
 
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I bet a series X that most people will not play this for more than 1 hour before uninstalling regardless of platform choice. The ones that do stay are the ones that will regularly do trans-oceanic flights or do air traffic control RP. It's a "game" for the latter not the former. But back on topic, this game is a glimpse at open-world's final form.

You're going to lose that bet.
 
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game needs some actual gameplay elements like ETS 2, that way it can retain console and pc gamers alike

imagine ETS 2 without any gameplay element stuff. You're only given certain trucks and ride between cities without any meaning or purpose

dunno, give ability to create a start-up airline company, maybe a tour company, or even some exclusive missions

even gta san andreas has more plane-related missions whereas its non existent in Flight Sim

otherwise, i have to agree with that person. not necessarily in 1 hour, but i'd say the hype would die quickly and player count for consoles would diminish in mere weeks

i myself installed this game due to its hype when it was first released, the first time you play you greeted with graphics, photogrammetry cities and such, then after 6-7 hours, it really started to get stale and eventually I uninstalled
 
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I wonder, where are those certain crowds, who said, the series S was bad console?
If it can run this game, then any game is easy for this console.
Did you really have to lure in the warriors with this post?
 

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I am gonna fly over my both USA roadtrips, to remember good times , I’ll install my girlfriend on the couch 🤣 Route 66, page , ny, Washington here we come.
 
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I bet a series X that most people will not play this for more than 1 hour before uninstalling regardless of platform choice. The ones that do stay are the ones that will regularly do trans-oceanic flights or do air traffic control RP. It's a "game" for the latter not the former. But back on topic, this game is a glimpse at open-world's final form.
Nah, maybe in past flight sims. This is the first flight sim where you can actually use VFR (visual flight rules) properly. Even when heavily modded FSX was ugly when flying low level and the terrain was never really convincing, cities looked shit, mountains all looked the same, there was very little variation in what the ground looked like anywhere in the world. This meant that when I played it i spent most of my time doing long flights in commercial jets because looking out at the sea was as interesting as looking out at the land. In this FS the ground looks amazing and realistic at every level except very very low level, you can navigate properly by VFR and the variety in the terrain is as limitless as the real world itself. I have spent pretty much all my time in light aircraft exploring the world and visiting all kinds of places that I wouldn't have even bothered with on previous versions of the game. Now the world is your oyster and you can go and see what the Amazon rain forests are like, the great wall of China, the Pyramids, the Grand Canyon, its all there and all looks amazing. Previous FS games were just about learning how to fly the planes and the scenery was very much there to server a purpose and just to give a rough approximation of the real terrain. I think you are underestimating just how much difference it makes to the average gamer when those visuals are so realistic. Having the freedom to go anywhere in the world and explore is going to be a pretty big draw for a lot of people. You are implying that the novelty will wear off quickly but I would challenge that and say that anyone with any interest in what the world looks like from the sky will keep on coming back to FS time and time again. There have been so many times when i've been watching something on TV or reading about an area of the world and my immediate thought has been to fire up FS and fly over it to see what it looks like. Yeah I like flight sims but I have mostly played FS2020 to explore the world and the flying of the plane has been secondary to that, I am sure that a lot of people will do the same especially when the game is so accessible now that it's on console and GamePass.
 
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Not true, the planes are not performance heavy, it's the weather effects and clouds.
Cities also affect the graphic performance. Especially the skyscrapers.
All these are taxing on the cpu and the gpu. It makes having to do 4k 60 fps a nightmare.
 

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Nah, maybe in past flight sims. This is the first flight sim where you can actually use VFR (visual flight rules) properly. Even when heavily modded FSX was ugly when flying low level and the terrain was never really convincing, cities looked shit, mountains all looked the same, there was very little variation in what the ground looked like anywhere in the world. This meant that when I played it i spent most of my time doing long flights in commercial jets because looking out at the sea was as interesting as looking out at the land. In this FS the ground looks amazing and realistic at every level except very very low level, you can navigate properly by VFR and the variety in the terrain is as limitless as the real world itself. I have spent pretty much all my time in light aircraft exploring the world and visiting all kinds of places that I wouldn't have even bothered with on previous versions of the game. Now the world is your oyster and you can go and see what the Amazon rain forests are like, the great wall of China, the Pyramids, the Grand Canyon, its all there and all looks amazing. Previous FS games were just about learning how to fly the planes and the scenery was very much there to server a purpose and just to give a rough approximation of the real terrain. I think you are underestimating just how much difference it makes to the average gamer when those visuals are so realistic. Having the freedom to go anywhere in the world and explore is going to be a pretty big draw for a lot of people. You are implying that the novelty will wear off quickly but I would challenge that and say that anyone with any interest in what the world looks like from the sky will keep on coming back to FS time and time again. There have been so many times when i've been watching something on TV or reading about an area of the world and my immediate thought has been to fire up FS and fly over it to see what it looks like. Yeah I like flight sims but I have mostly played FS2020 to explore the world and the flying of the plane has been secondary to that, I am sure that a lot of people will do the same especially when the game is so accessible now that it's on console and GamePass.

I think that he means casuals/mainstream won't really "play" this game for a long time. Most will just look how it looks, and fly a bit for some time. Even on pc, only the enthusiasts will equally play FS instead of just flying around because that's getting boring after some time. FS is fun when you actually know the rules and can handle the plane. For free fly, in my opinion, it is only fun to visit a few locations for a while, but that is where it ends.
 

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Has nothing to render but a highly detailed airplane. The volumetric clouds are static and the ground (like on PC), once too close, everything will look like those fishermen in Spiderman.


What´s the CPU doing? Is the physic any good? The S has definitely a blurrier picture, well below 1080p. Gonna wait for NGX to review it. This game must barely touch the CPU if at all?
fuck me.... this deserves a report.
 
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The developers themselves have said that DirectX 12 won't improve things much if at all. It may instead enable them to do things like ray tracing and other DX12-only effects.

The optimization that people expected to come with DX12 is already coming tomorrow without any need for DX12.
I believe DX12 is used, because it highly lowers cost of draw calls and it's more efficient mainly for the CPU side of things, the additional effect, that you can do with gained performance, probably does not have much to do with version of DX...
 

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Gamers will destroy any thing they play on their games, in real life.

When I started flight simulator, it was too complicated. might need more research, how to actually fly the damn thing. Downloading it now. Will give it a go again.

Also for the autopilot, dont you need to press certain buttons? and also make sure you are in the right spot for auto pilot. Been seeing these type of thing in the movies. Unless they are also wrong.
There of coure lots of tutorials on YouTube.

Asobo offer training via their Twitch channel which you can also view.
 

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I wonder, where are those certain crowds, who said, the series S was bad console?
If it can run this game, then any game is easy for this console.
You should have put a spoiler over this. It’s like a red rag to a bull.

Or just not post it as it will only lead to a thread derail.
 

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I bet a series X that most people will not play this for more than 1 hour before uninstalling regardless of platform choice. The ones that do stay are the ones that will regularly do trans-oceanic flights or do air traffic control RP. It's a "game" for the latter not the former. But back on topic, this game is a glimpse at open-world's final form.
Lmao I swear ull loose the bet
 
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I bet a series X that most people will not play this for more than 1 hour before uninstalling regardless of platform choice. The ones that do stay are the ones that will regularly do trans-oceanic flights or do air traffic control RP. It's a "game" for the latter not the former. But back on topic, this game is a glimpse at open-world's final form.
I'd say No Man's sky is more impressive in that aspect.
 
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game needs some actual gameplay elements like ETS 2, that way it can retain console and pc gamers alike

imagine ETS 2 without any gameplay element stuff. You're only given certain trucks and ride between cities without any meaning or purpose

dunno, give ability to create a start-up airline company, maybe a tour company, or even some exclusive missions

even gta san andreas has more plane-related missions whereas its non existent in Flight Sim

otherwise, i have to agree with that person. not necessarily in 1 hour, but i'd say the hype would die quickly and player count for consoles would diminish in mere weeks

i myself installed this game due to its hype when it was first released, the first time you play you greeted with graphics, photogrammetry cities and such, then after 6-7 hours, it really started to get stale and eventually I uninstalled
There are some missions (Landing challenges) and previous FS games had them as well so I presume they will add to these over time.
 

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You should have put a spoiler over this. It’s like a red rag to a bull.

Or just not post it as it will only lead to a thread derail.
I put that as harmless take. If that is triggering them, then they need to get some help.
 

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If the XSS wasn't taken seriously before then this game will surely change that. FS is the technical show piece this console needed. Mind you what the XSX is also doing is also very impressive.
 

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If the XSS wasn't taken seriously before then this game will surely change that. FS is the technical show piece this console needed. Mind you what the XSX is also doing is also very impressive.

After all that concern trolling it turns out Series S in its first next gen first party game has the best looking game in console history.
 

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I bet a series X that most people will not play this for more than 1 hour before uninstalling regardless of platform choice. The ones that do stay are the ones that will regularly do trans-oceanic flights or do air traffic control RP. It's a "game" for the latter not the former. But back on topic, this game is a glimpse at open-world's final form.
People of all ages spend time just messing around with Google maps!

This thing is definitely going to pique the interest of folk who would normally steer clear of "proper" console gaming.

Will it be a system seller in the traditional sense? Not sure but I bet there will be a fair amount of Grandparents's, ex-servicemen, pilots and retirees around the globe that will be checking Xbox Series X/S stock levels!

Fair play to them too :)
 
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"New" Interplay teases Fallout; reveal tomorrow

My god its happening. I cant see the tweet very well due to it being blocked from the work. Saw it on gameleakes reddit.

I hope this is true.

yay fallout.
sorry for posting it here. I cant post anything yet. Hope someone posts it.

happy thats so raven GIF
 
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Its not a system seller in the sense millions of gamers are going to go and buy an Xbox for it, but the game is going to do a lot better than people think on here. There is a lot of closed minded 'its a flight sim', iits too complcated for console gamers', etc, when in reality you can taylor the game into what you want.
Like i have said in the past, i put 80 hours into the game and all i did was turn the sim controls off, pick different airports around the world, then went exploring ina plane.
And that will IMo be what the majority of people will do with this.
This is what I'm gonna do
 
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"New" Interplay teases Fallout; reveal tomorrow

My god its happening. I cant see the tweet very well due to it being blocked from the work. Saw it on gameleakes reddit.

I hope this is true.

yay fallout.
sorry for posting it here. I cant post anything yet. Hope someone posts it.

happy thats so raven GIF
False flag.

Someone is trying to play prank on us.

https://twitter.com/InterplayGames/

That is their twitter account.

Sad Its Over GIF by Star Wars
 

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Good looking game.

Noticed some weird pop-in happening with the XSS footage, more noticeable with the mountainous terrain. Hopefully they are able patch that out.

XSX version looks really impressive.

Looking forward to diving into this soon.
 
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Has nothing to render but a highly detailed airplane. The volumetric clouds are static and the ground (like on PC), once too close, everything will look like those fishermen in Spiderman.



What´s the CPU doing? Is the physic any good? The S has definitely a blurrier picture, well below 1080p. Gonna wait for NGX to review it. This game must barely touch the CPU if at all?
Are you dumb or what?

The game is doing some heavy lifting when it comes to tech.

Go have a look at some pc in-depth tech analisis. Won't even bother linking to it.
 

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Best looking flight simulator, I agree. It looks brilliant, but it doesn't have to worry about any animations at all. So best looking console game ever? I disagree. But hey....opinions.
True, it does not have to worry about animations.

Because It has to worry about plane aerodynamics and technical simulation,

It has to worry about humidity, atmospheric pressure, aerosol and temperature calculations linked to plane performance,

It has to worry about dozens of kilometer-long draw distances which literally lasts till the actual horizon of fully realized Earth,

It has to worry about 74 layers of volumetric clouds with penetrated and dispersed light, overshadowing and reflecting on each other,

It has to worry about wind simulation which flies through the skyscrapers of New York, or narrow valleys, creating turbulence,

It has to worry about realtime live weather so if it's raining at countryside, it may be sunny at the nearest city.

It has to worry about managing hundreds of real players playing online, while also mimicking real life planes with live routes, so game must not crash when you visit Heathrow Airport with dozens of online players mixed with AI planes mimicking live flights.

It has to worry about illuminating cities at night with thousands of individual tiny light sources, which can generate background Illumination and light up clouds a bit.

But it doesn't have to worry about animations, no.
 

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True, it does not have to worry about animations.

Because It has to worry about plane aerodynamics and technical simulation,

It has to worry about humidity, atmospheric pressure, aerosol and temperature calculations linked to plane performance,

It has to worry about dozens of kilometer-long draw distances which literally lasts till the actual horizon of fully realized Earth,

It has to worry about 74 layers of volumetric clouds with penetrated and dispersed light, overshadowing and reflecting on each other,

It has to worry about wind simulation which flies through the skyscrapers of New York, or narrow valleys, creating turbulence,

It has to worry about realtime live weather so if it's raining at countryside, it may be sunny at the nearest city.

It has to worry about managing hundreds of real players playing online, while also mimicking real life planes with live routes, so game must not crash when you visit Heathrow Airport with dozens of online players mixed with AI planes mimicking live flights.

It has to worry about illuminating cities at night with thousands of individual tiny light sources, which can generate background Illumination and light up clouds a bit.

But it doesn't have to worry about animations, no.


Yeah, I think it is pretty obvious the game has much more physics to worry about than most games. Pretty typical of a simulator I would think. A whole different ballgame than animations.
 
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True, it does not have to worry about animations.

Because It has to worry about plane aerodynamics and technical simulation,

It has to worry about humidity, atmospheric pressure, aerosol and temperature calculations linked to plane performance,

It has to worry about dozens of kilometer-long draw distances which literally lasts till the actual horizon of fully realized Earth,

It has to worry about 74 layers of volumetric clouds with penetrated and dispersed light, overshadowing and reflecting on each other,

It has to worry about wind simulation which flies through the skyscrapers of New York, or narrow valleys, creating turbulence,

It has to worry about realtime live weather so if it's raining at countryside, it may be sunny at the nearest city.

It has to worry about managing hundreds of real players playing online, while also mimicking real life planes with live routes, so game must not crash when you visit Heathrow Airport with dozens of online players mixed with AI planes mimicking live flights.

It has to worry about illuminating cities at night with thousands of individual tiny light sources, which can generate background Illumination and light up clouds a bit.

But it doesn't have to worry about animations, no.
Wrong..... its does have to worry about animation otherwise how would I visually check the position of the flaps? 🤷‍♂️
 
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True, it does not have to worry about animations.

Because It has to worry about plane aerodynamics and technical simulation,

It has to worry about humidity, atmospheric pressure, aerosol and temperature calculations linked to plane performance,

It has to worry about dozens of kilometer-long draw distances which literally lasts till the actual horizon of fully realized Earth,

It has to worry about 74 layers of volumetric clouds with penetrated and dispersed light, overshadowing and reflecting on each other,

It has to worry about wind simulation which flies through the skyscrapers of New York, or narrow valleys, creating turbulence,

It has to worry about realtime live weather so if it's raining at countryside, it may be sunny at the nearest city.

It has to worry about managing hundreds of real players playing online, while also mimicking real life planes with live routes, so game must not crash when you visit Heathrow Airport with dozens of online players mixed with AI planes mimicking live flights.

It has to worry about illuminating cities at night with thousands of individual tiny light sources, which can generate background Illumination and light up clouds a bit.

But it doesn't have to worry about animations, no.
But...
 
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