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JordanN

Banned
Anti Black Lives Matter?
Doesn't that, literally, mean you are against black lives mattering?
The mistake is believing that BLM is supposedly the answer or has any professional knowledge on how to makes lives actually matter.
The lazy answer that America is just "racist" and that's why people get killed is instantly debunked the minute you realize there is also another minority group in America who continue to be prosperous while having less police interactions all the time.

There is no guilt in opposing a movement where all of last month, the idea of social justice came in forms of destroying statues or banning maple syrup. Meanwhile, many black neighborhoods during this time experienced more killings and deaths that never involved any police officers.

If you want lives to matter, follow the example set by Asian Americans. Don't follow an organization who have gone political and resort to petty anti-Trump tactics.
 
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UnNamed

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I don't think Major Nelson have any power to fire or get someone fired. Sounds like he just replied to that "check out". I hope it's just this, otherwise it would be very problematic.
 
In some cases, it's not the company themselves that are part of the cult. Look at the case of Alec Holowlka (spelled rright?). His case went to the extreme, but his killer is part of a whisper network whom look to get select people fired only to be replaced with one their gatekeepers. This Is how people are cancelled so fast through different platforms. Harass an employee at a company you need power at, get them fired, install your gatekeeper. It's a bit more detailed than that, but tits.
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Did George Floyd shoot anyone? Did that woman who was murdered in her own home? Are you serious?

George Floyd have treatened to murder some pregnant woman. Not that the cops could have known that, but still. He was a criminal though he didn't deserve to go that way. What I was trying to say, was, that black people do tend to do more criminality, which is why they are overrepresented in the statistics.

Sadly I can't find the movie anymore, but it showed a black guy saying all lives matter, followed by 10 minute long clip how black people react near cops (they often shoot them).


If you were a cop, and knew there's one big he'll of a chance to get shot at if you oppose a certain type of person, wouldn't you be defensive as hell?

Again, don't twist my fucking words. I never said George Floyd deserved to get shot, don't put fucking words in my mouth. Go to Era if you are that type of person.
 

Redlight

Member
If you're going to make opinions and statements that can hurt others, you should be willing to sacrifice your entertainment. Racists and people who push propaganda on their platform, even their personal accounts have no right to interact or be seen by children.
The thing is, nearly every opinion or statement has the capability of hurting someone. If you ban or suppress things that you disagree with all you actually achieve is to grant those ideas a special power and status.

As Stephen Fry once said...

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what?"

Exposure of idiotic ideas, and the ridicule that follows that exposure, are for more effective at keeping bad or dangerous ideas inside the ghettos they belong in.
 

GHG

Member
Sadly I can't find the movie anymore, but it showed a black guy saying all lives matter, followed by 10 minute long clip how black people react near cops (they often shoot them).

Was this the same person? Because if not you should have a major rethink about what it is you are saying here.
 

MastaKiiLA

Member
ALL employers do this, it isn't exclusive to the gaming industry and was the norm before the "SJW" era of things.
Bingo! Read your fucking employment contract. If you don't know this stuff exists, then you work a low-end job, or never read your contract. I once got terminated from a job because of a company name I'd registered almost a decade prior, when I was young and stupid. I did it to get a discount on a Dell laptop. It is what it is. I didn't sulk about it, because it was something the company thought could be potentially damaging to their image, if a customer did a search of my name. I got a severance package, and went on my way.

Play stupid games. Win stupid rewards. It happened to me, but the chain of events it triggered has me now living my best life in paradise. If you're publicly associated with a company, keep your shit tight. Otherwise, be ready to get served your walking papers. It's called being an adult.
 

The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Was this the same person? Because if not you should have a major rethink about what it is you are saying here.

I didn't bring George Floyd into this.

You can read more about the point I'm stating here. If my post was somehow racism, then I apologize. English is not my native tongue.
 
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Kamina

Golden Boy
Let's be fair here though the gamecheat guy sounds like a total tit.

Making posts saying nigga nigga. Cmon now. What does he have to gain by doing that?

He does make decent points later on when he's arguing with the other 2 lads but he's a total troll otherwise.
His tweets are poor form for sure, especially the n-bombs. I haven’t seen anyone here defend the contents of the tweets, just oppose cancel culture generally and twitter/ResetEra mobs out for blood.

A whole lot of people have said really dumb things on twitter, especially if you’re willing to look back to years ago. It’s not a platform that lends itself to intelligent conversation.
The way i see it is that Reee fights with worse tactics than appropriate for the offense.
Sure, that guy with a dirty mouth is retarded.
But its worse that we have internet gangs and mobs who aim to mentally and financially destroy that person.

If i meet someone saying hurtful bullshit in real life i shake my head and go my way, i dont follow him to his workplace and try to get him fired, nor do i rally the other people against him, but apparently this is acceptable on the internet.

Let people be stupid, let people be dumb. Nobody deserves to be hunted by a mob.
 
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Nico_D

Member
Cancelling and silencing and stopping people from expressing their opinion works just as well as prohibition did. With the same results.
 

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George Floyd have treatened to murder some pregnant woman. Not that the cops could have known that, but still. He was a criminal though he didn't deserve to go that way. What I was trying to say, was, that black people do tend to do more criminality, which is why they are overrepresented in the statistics.

Sadly I can't find the movie anymore, but it showed a black guy saying all lives matter, followed by 10 minute long clip how black people react near cops (they often shoot them).


If you were a cop, and knew there's one big he'll of a chance to get shot at if you oppose a certain type of person, wouldn't you be defensive as hell?

Again, don't twist my fucking words. I never said George Floyd deserved to get shot, don't put fucking words in my mouth. Go to Era if you are that type of person.
I don't get it.. I never said that you said Floyd deserved to get shot?
Also, who told you that Floyd threatened to murder a pregnant woman? Do you have a valid source for this? Don't use fake news.
 
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MastaKiiLA

Member
The way i see it is that Reee fights with worse tactics than appropriate for the offense.
Sure, that guy with a dirty mouth is retarded.
But its worse that we have internet gangs and mobs who aim to mentally and financially destroy that person.

If i meet someone saying hurtful bullshit in real life i shake my head and go my way, i dont follow him to his workplace and try to get him fired, nor do i rally the other people against him, but apparently this is acceptable on the internet.

Let people be stupid, let people be dumb. Nobody deserves to be hunted by a mob.
Harvey Weinstein agrees. Now you might say, that's totally different. That's sexual assault. No one wants a slippery slope, right? But the question always comes back to, who is grading the slope? Harvey Weinstein would judge a wheelchair ramp to be a double-black diamond, because he wouldn't think his actions were to injurious to the women accusing him. Similarly, someone who felt hurt by the foul language of another person online might consider it a far worse offense than you or I.

Personally, I never did this to anyone, but I don't find fault with it either. There's no point in blaming the victim, and that's what's happening when you try to marginalize public outcry in these situations. These people aren't getting fired because of a simple misunderstanding, or because they're actions could somehow be judged as benign. They're being fired because they've been found to have done wrong, and brought negative attention to their employer. Actions have consequences.

What is the ultimate reward in being a dick in public? Ego stroking? Well, that measly reward comes with huge downside if people know who you are, and where your money comes from. Because now that tiny stroke of your ego can have real financial consequences. That individual did not do the very simple risk-reward calculations that should have resulted in exercising greater discretion. All those Karens out there also fail at this very simple and basic math. "Do I have more to gain by doing this than I stand to lose?" If the answer is no, then don't do it. There are better places to take stupid gambles, like the casino or stock market. At least those risks come with monetary rewards. Create an alt account, and wild out. Just make sure no one can ever trace it back to you.
 

Bernkastel

Ask me about my fanboy energy!
This just sounds like a reply made to save face, not like those long replies he does no reddit and actually engages in a conversation. Complain about cancel culture and trying cancel Major Nelson and other people based on your opinion, bunch of hypocrites arent you guys ?
 

supernova8

Banned
Well a "QA Tester" also popped up in that thread and is looking to purge all right-wingers from 343i/Halo.

Major Nelson opened a can of worms by even responding to them.

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Right-wing is essentially neo nazi? what the?

These people are literally hyperbole in human form /s
 

JordanN

Banned
This just sounds like a reply made to save face, not like those long replies he does no reddit and actually engages in a conversation. Complain about cancel culture and trying cancel Major Nelson and other people based on your opinion, bunch of hypocrites arent you guys ?
Ok, here's a challenge for you:

Name all the people cancelled by Neogaf (post 2017)?

I'll wait....
 
Anti Black Lives Matter?
Doesn't that, literally, mean you are against black lives mattering?

No, it doesn't.
Taking a stand against BLM, the movement, because of their openly anti-Western stance or finding a problem with a slogan which singles out a certain demographic is not the same thing as being "against black lives mattering".

Do not think you simply bolding a word magically renders your puerile argument true.

Black lives matter only exists to make sure that all lives matter. Cops, institutions etc. All are run in a where black people are treated as though they are worthless.

Bogus assertion.
Provide evidence for any of that.

I can provide counter-evidence, notably cite programs such as Affirmative Action, which dates back almost 60 years, but also newer measures such as Harvard's and Princeton's admission biases.

That black people can be killed, marginalized, without protection from the justice system.

Provide evidence of any of that.

So BLM is a literal response to say to the system that black lives do matter. It honestly doesn't get any simpler.

Your ignorance of what the BLM movement stands for could have been mitigated had you bothered to check their online manifesto.

But apparently you'd much rather regurgitate, in the hopes no one will call out your vacuous litany.
Just your luck.

Not only do you not know what "literally" means, you're also ignorant of what "liberal" entails as well.

And no the suffering of black americans isn't a thing that's up for discussion.

You don't get to define the limits and the terms of the debate. You make claims. You provide the evidence. Don't think that by using the old trick of appealing to the self-evident, you'll circumvent that requirement. Your tactics will be called out.

You saw a video of a human being being murdered over the span of 8 minutes. If you turn a blind eye to this, you lack empathy and the racism is strong in you.

Try to behave like a despicable smear campaigner, and you will be treated as one.
 
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ape2man

Member
George Floyd have treatened to murder some pregnant woman. Not that the cops could have known that, but still. He was a criminal though he didn't deserve to go that way. What I was trying to say, was, that black people do tend to do more criminality, which is why they are overrepresented in the statistics.

Sadly I can't find the movie anymore, but it showed a black guy saying all lives matter, followed by 10 minute long clip how black people react near cops (they often shoot them).


If you were a cop, and knew there's one big he'll of a chance to get shot at if you oppose a certain type of person, wouldn't you be defensive as hell?

Again, don't twist my fucking words. I never said George Floyd deserved to get shot, don't put fucking words in my mouth. Go to Era if you are that type of person.

Do you realize that your being racist. By saying "that black people do tend to do more criminality," is the definition of being a racist. Racism is the view that races can be distinguished with related differences in character traits.
 

GHG

Member
I didn't bring George Floyd into this.

You can read more about the point I'm stating here. If my post was somehow racism, then I apologize. English is not my native tongue.

I'm asking specifically regarding the video you referenced, not the George Flyod incident (who FYI should have been brought to justice by the criminal justice system for his actions, not killed at the hands of police brutality).

If you're going to throw all black people in the same bracket (and by extension say that unprovoked police violence against black people is justified) because you once saw a video of some black people shooting at police then like I said, you need to have a massive rethink. Making negative assumptions about somebody based on the colour of their skin is at the root of all racism and that's literally what you're doing here.
 
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The_Mike

I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
I'm asking specifically regarding the video you referenced, not the George Flyod incident (who FYI should have been brought to justice by the criminal justice system for his actions, not killed at the hands of police brutality).

If you're going to throw all black people in the same bracket (and by extension say that unprovoked police violence against black people is justified) because you once saw a video of some black people shooting at police then like I said, you need to have a massive rethink. Making negative assumptions about somebody based on the colour of their skin is at the root of all racism and that's literally what you're doing here.

It wasn't my intention to say all black people are criminals or violent. I think we'll just leave it there right?

Im gonna edit my first post so no one else will misunderstand my post or get offended.

Edit: my post is changed.
 
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Jon Neu

Banned
Do you realize that your being racist. By saying "that black people do tend to do more criminality," is the definition of being a racist. Racism is the view that races can be distinguished with related differences in character traits.

By your own logic, anybody who says that statistically Black people are treated poorly, means they are racists.
 

GHG

Member
It wasn't my intention to say all black people are criminals or violent. I think we'll just leave it there right?

Im gonna edit my first post so no one else will misunderstand my post or get offended.

Ok fair enough, understood. Beyond anything else, people deserve to (and have the right to) be viewed and treated as individuals. Happy to give you the benefit of doubt.

Never apologize to an sjw.

You on the other hand can fuck off.
 
Do you realize that your being racist. By saying "that black people do tend to do more criminality," is the definition of being a racist. Racism is the view that races can be distinguished with related differences in character traits.

That's not necessarily true.

Racism is the belief or behaviour caused by the belief one race is inherently inferior or inherently superior. I am not a racist. I oppose racism.

Currently, nearly 50% of all murders in the US are committed by roughly 6% of the population, that is, black males. This is, objectively speaking, a highly disproportionate number. It's a fact.

If I were to claim black people are more prone to crime by virtue of simply being black, that would be a racist statement and I would qualify as a racist person. But countless other non-racial motives do a much better job at explaining the disparity. I could appeal to certain conjunctural aspects of urban culture, for example, father absenteeism, . etc. Those cannot reasonably be described as racist.

I want to have a discussion about this stuff but fucking hell it takes so much time to gather articles and stuff and then people start saying this is the leftist media i dont trust it... Well here is a article from the leftist media about stop and frisk . https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/17/nyregion/bloomberg-stop-and-frisk-new-york.html

If you can't bother to engage with my specific questions, I can dismiss your all-purpose stock answer.

You on the other hand can fuck off.

This, of course, from the paragon of tolerance, civility and openness to debate.
Priceless.
 
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What an awkward fuckin smile, if you can even call it that. I wouldn't take a picture with that weirdo lol.
You say this as if anyone would want a picture with you in the first place. Mock the guy and his looks all you like (the signs of having no actual argument to make) but just know that he's got a better life and career path than you will ever have, and friends outside of GAF.
 

48086

Member
So play by their own rules. Start tweeting Major Nelson and asking why he’s posting on a racist forum. Tag Phil spencer and other Microsoft execs. Keep doing it. Don’t stop.

Take screenshots of people posting racist, bigoted, hate filled stuff and tweet it to Major Nelson and other execs. Ask why Microsoft endorses that. Take those screenshots and send to other publishers and developers. Ask why they endorse hate and racism.

This stuff is only going to get worse if nothing is done about it. Posting on gaf about it isn’t going to do a dang thing.
 
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-Plasma Reus-

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No, it doesn't.
Taking a stand against BLM, the movement, because of their openly anti-Western stance or finding a problem with a slogan which singles out a certain demographic is not the same thing as being "against black lives mattering".

Don'0t think you simply bolding a word magically renders your puerile argument true.



Bogus assertion.
Provide evidence for any that.

I can provide counter-evidence, notably cite programs such as Affirmative Action, which dates back almost 60 years, but also newer measures such as Harvard's and Princeton's admission biases.



Provide evidence of any of that.



Your ignorance of what the BLM movement stands for could have been mitigated had you bothered to check their online manifesto.

But apparently you'd much rather regurgitate, in the hopes no one will call out your vacuous litany.
Just your luck.

Not only do you not know what "literally" means, you're also ignorant of what "liberal" entails as well.



You don't get to define the limits and the terms of the debate. You make claims. You provide the evidence. Don't think that by using the old trick of appealing to the self-evident, you'll circumvent that requirement. Your tactics will be called out.



Try to behave like a despicable smear campaigner, and you will be treated as one.
You're asking me to provide evidence that black lives are treated as though they're worthless, and then you completely dismiss and belittle the Floyd video.

There's no discussion to be had with you. Continue to live in your hateful and insular thinking.
 
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GHG

Member
This, of course, from the paragon of tolerance, civility and openness to debate.
Priceless.

I know right? Because he was just as tolerant, civil and open with me. So much so that he didn't even try to have a discussion with me but instead took it upon himself to make an unfounded inference.

Priceless indeed.
 

fatty

Member
The problem is, how do you define BLM?

Because everyone I ask this gives me a different answer. What it's supposed to mean and what some people have made it mean are two entirely different things.

In the literal sense it's supposed to mean equality for black people and the value attributed to the lives of black people without it being at the expense of anyone else - actual all round equality.

However there are a lot of people using the movement for malice and are (for example) making it anti-white and are trying to push for black people to get preferential treatment for things like employment opportunities (which is highly ironic). Then there are the opportunists who took it upon themselves to start looting during the protests, all under the guise of BLM.

All of that has led to where we are now.

My problem is that not only are a lot of people using the movement for malice, but the main blacklivematter.com site is pushing an agenda where I have many concerns.




Back to your quote, this needs to be the focus without clouding up the issue:

”In the literal sense it's supposed to mean equality for black people and the value attributed to the lives of black people without it being at the expense of anyone else - actual all round equality.”
 
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Mark my words, with the rise of AI, there will come a day where big companies will constantly monitor what you say in the microphone/party chat and they will ban you if you say "bad" words such as SJW.

An Orwellian fascist dystopia in a nutshell.
 

KungFucius

King Snowflake
While I am not a fan of people digging up shit on people to cancel them, this guy is a moron. Posting the n-word, laughing about a person who got run over by some asshole. Of course MS is not going to want to be associated with that in any way. They are one of the largest companies on the planet. If this guy was an actual employee of them he would likely be fired.

So what is the purpose of this thread? Is it to chide the digging up of dirt and attempt to blacklist someone or is it to defend this guy's right to be an asshole online and create an image that extremely valuable businesses would want nothing to do with?

I don't know why people still behave so awful publicly online when they know it can bite them. And no it is not as some suggest, just some difference of opinion. It includes arguing that it is OK to post the n-word.

There are shitty people on both sides.
 
You're asking me to provide evidence that black lives are treated as though they're worthless, and then you completely dismiss and belittle my mention of the Floyd video.

There's no discussion to be had with you.

Can you provide evidence Floyd was murdered because of racist motivations? You must provide evidence his death was specifically motivated by racism from the officers involved.

In short, you can't provide evidence, don't know what burden of proof means, don't know what anecdotal evidence means, but now are insinuating you have the moral high ground and have provide good reasons for the many folkloric claims you''ve made so far.

Ah!
Your unsubstantiated claims will be called out.
 
So the statistics can be used to say that essentialy white people are racist against Black people, but the statistics can't never be used to say that Black people commit the majority of violent crimes because that's racist.

That's called being an hypocrite.

Tell me, if those stats are fact and racism played no part in it then what makes black people specifically more violent thant say me, a white person? You seem to have the facts and insight, so please enlighten us.
 

GHG

Member
So the statistics can be used to say that essentialy white people are racist against Black people, but the statistics can't never be used to say that Black people commit the majority of violent crimes because that's racist.

That's called being an hypocrite.

No it's not the statistics that are the problem provided they are factual.

It's the assertion that black people deserve to be treated a certain way because of the statistics, regardless of whether they fall on the wrong side of those statistics or not.

Even if 70% of black people are guilty and commit crimes it doesn't then also make the other 30% of black people criminals that need to be treated as such.
 

ape2man

Member
That's not necessarily true. Racism is the belief or behaviour caused by the belief one race is inherently inferior or inherently superior. I am not a racist. I oppose racism.

Your only taking the part of the definition that suits you. The other part is as relevant as the other one.

It was first defined by the Oxford English Dictionary (2nd edition, 1989) as "[t]he theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined by race"; the same dictionary termed racism a synonym of racialism: "belief in the superiority of a particular race".


Currently, nearly 50% of all murders in the US are committed by roughly 6% of the population, that is, black males. This is, objectively speaking, a highly disproportionate number. It's a fact.

Prove it, Any stats i can find stop at 2005 and 2008.

Currently, nearly 50% of all murders in the US are committed by roughly 6% of the population, that is, black males. This is, objectively speaking, a highly disproportionate number. It's a fact.

If I were to claim black people are more prone to crime by virtue of simply being black, that would be a racist statement and I would qualify as a racist person. But countless other non-racial motives do a much better job at explaining the disparity. I could appeal to certain aspects of urban culture, for example, absent fathers. etc. Those cannot reasonably be described as racist explanations.

You do realize statistics can be racists. For example if you only focus on race, the stats will show that one type of skin color has more criminality than the other. By not adding all the other factors like social and economic etc. You create statistics that emphasise racial bias.
 
Continue to live in your hateful and insular thinking.

Your conduct is that of a smear-campaigner, who can't provide evidence for any of his claims, who doesn't understand the concept of anecdotal evidence, burden of proof, who knows nothing about how one goes about substantiating claims, who stoops down to appeals to emotion, who, as per tradition, tries to portray disagreement as "hate", and when confronted with his shortcomings defaults to the usual petty hollow monikers.
 
Only if you're a Reset moderator/admin, it is.

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Will Major Nelson investigate this?
This is OK to say you want to kill all the white babies? (if you are a black dude).

It's probably made OK if you use the new definition of racism and you apply the logic of white fragility or something o that nature. You end up in a situation where white people express their whiteness by breathing, that becomes a privilege too--therefore people wear t-thirts that say I can't breathe--if this is a privilege it must be purged from those who have it, and well the privileged ones will die.
 

Airbus Jr

Banned
I dont care what major nelson doing there

Its not my business

If something happened to him ( like when people there turn their back on people who support their culture such as JK Rowling and Angry Joe)

Then this is his own risk for joining that community
 
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Jon Neu

Banned
Tell me, if those stats are fact and racism played no part in it then what makes black people specifically more violent thant say me, a white person? You seem to have the facts and insight, so please enlighten us.

I guess there's a variety of reasons; from culture to economical status and so on.

It's the assertion that black people deserve to be treated a certain way because of the statistics, regardless of whether they fall on the wrong side of those statistics or not.

I guess you mean being checked by the Police.

The problem is that if the Police use basic common sense and investigates the people who look potentially more like criminals, then they are "racist" because statistics show what those people are over represented by Black males.

So what you are demanding is for the Police to value political correctness more than actually doing their job in the most efficient way possible.
 
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