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Microsoft needs more exclusives throughout the year
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LiquidSolid
Member
Why do people pull this narrative out of their ass every time this debate comes up? Microsoft has five games scheduled for this entire YEAR: Halo Wars 2, Crackdown 3, Forza 7, Super Lucky's Tale and Phantom Dust (there's also Voodoo Vince and Fable Fortune but Microsoft isn't publishing either of them). That's the same number of games Sony's releasing in August and September alone: Patapon, Matterfall, Everybody's Golf, Knack 2 and Uncharted TLL. You're completely and utterly wrong.
How many titles cannibalize other titles? I don't think there are too many that do so now.
Humdinger
Member
And Yakuza Kiwami, bitches!
RayCharlizard
Member
Becuase he's a good spokesperson. Same reason Xbox users champion Major Nelson even though he's just a marketing tactic. I don't mind it, but when people say "Why doesn't Sony have someone like [X]," it makes me giggle a bit. He's Microsoft's Reggie.
Strangelove77
Member
The fucked up thing is that they don't have anything worth reviving/rebooting. Not anything that could sell enough.
They have to come up with entirely new franchises.
They have to come up with entirely new franchises.
Is this supposed to be bad? Microsoft is still winning in this scenario.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Oh I think they're very comfortable. I saw some people during E3 frustrated that MS wasn't giving Sony any competition. Idk whether they were disappointed in Sony's E3 and had to vent their anger at something or what. This generation is heated. lol
Electret
Member
Perfect Dark
Conker
Banjo
Midtown Madness
Flight Simulator
Age of Empires
FASA properties - not sure what they have the rights to
Fable, other Lionhead properties
That's just off the top of my head.
The thread title doesn't need the "throughout the year" part. They just need more games period.
I thought they actually started out with some promise this generation, with new IP like Sunset Overdrive, Recore, and Ori. Because of that, I decided to become a first time Xbox owner.
Cuphead will be the first thing I've bought since Rise & Shine, and I've only played a few other new indies and a handful of backwards compatible stuff thanks to whatever that free game service trial a few months back.
After Cuphead, all I've got is Ori 2 to look forward to.
It seems silly to me to make another new piece of hardware, when you aren't even supporting the current hardware with your own content. Between the original, the S, and the X, they've basically created 1 console for each of their big franchises.
I thought they actually started out with some promise this generation, with new IP like Sunset Overdrive, Recore, and Ori. Because of that, I decided to become a first time Xbox owner.
Cuphead will be the first thing I've bought since Rise & Shine, and I've only played a few other new indies and a handful of backwards compatible stuff thanks to whatever that free game service trial a few months back.
After Cuphead, all I've got is Ori 2 to look forward to.
It seems silly to me to make another new piece of hardware, when you aren't even supporting the current hardware with your own content. Between the original, the S, and the X, they've basically created 1 console for each of their big franchises.
VanCityGamer
Member
Yeah. From that list, I'd love new versions of:
- Conker
- Banjo
- Fable
- Perfect Dark
RayCharlizard
Member
Worth was the keyword. Age of Empires converted for console would be a great exclusive for it's niche but the rest on a console? Fable is probably the only title in that list that would do well today, and it'd require a pretty significant reworking. Not to mention they already tried more Fable and completely abandoned it.
Yooka-Laylee blew any chance Banjo has for the next few years, Conker really isn't as good as people pretend it is, Flight Simulator is not a console franchise, who remembers Midtown Madness. Can't even think of what FASA is without throwing it into Google which signals to me that it isn't worth reviving/rebooting.
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
Member
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
My very next sentence explained the only major differentiator.
2017 is a perfect example of it.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
We more or less believe in the reality of what Phil Spencer and MS has to offer. Some will be angry by the fantasy they built up in their head and some will be like me and be satisfied with the current offers.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Patapon? Ugh, even I had the decency not to mention Voodoo Vince or Phantom Dust.
Housemarque arent first party are they? They're more like Insomniac no?
So that's more like 3 games. Which would have been 2 if Uncharted didn't grow over time.
Did I have a fever dream about playing this game on my Wii U?
I don't want to label a console based on one time period, but yeah this year has been really bad for XBox. Honestly I've kind of forgotten the brand exists except for when Scorpio is brought up. It just has no presence at the moment. I would like to play Forza though.
You know what he meant. Same as saying Persona 5 is an exclusive.
RayCharlizard
Member
Current gen systems only pls.
JustSomeone
Member
The biggest selling games are not excusives so I don't think MS see exclusives as that important.
I hope such bullshit is not allowed.
I dont see why it matters if Housemarque is owned by them or not. Its still their money they gave them to make a game
The biggest selling games sell the most on consoles that also have exclusives.
Strangelove77
Member
So Fable and maybe Perfect Dark if they do it right. That's about the only AAA franchises that would sell in great numbers.
The rest might as well be niche.
And no, I'm not trying to start some console wars shit.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
matrix-cat
Member
You can't fault MS for getting some nice exclusives going at the start of the Xbox One's life, but I suppose they all underperformed or got Scalebound'd, and now they're reluctant to do any more. And, unless they happen to have something in the pipeline right now that they're keeping secret, I wouldn't really expect anything until next gen.
RayCharlizard
Member
I'm not quite sure what a Wii U is. Could you clarify?
Fantasy??
Phil goes to Japan and says "games are coming" every year. Yet those games never show up. Where is the Japanese support he keeps promising? It's blatant lies from people like Spencer that people need to stop believing. He is akin to a politician that promises, serves his term and never delivers. No one is making things up in their head, it's only Phil Spencer that makes things up in interviews or on twitter and then conveniently forgets about them.
Easy tiger...
VanCityGamer
Member
Why would Japanese games not count? They make the PS4 lineup that much stronger.
That said, look at what Sony has coming next year (and beyond)
- God of War
- Spider-Man
- Days Gone
- Detroit
- Last of Us Part 2
How many of those are Japanese?
Plus you already have:
- Horizon Zero Dawn
- Uncharted 4
- Ratchet & Clank
- Until Dawn
- Resogun
- Infamous Second Son
- Pyre
That non-Japanese lineup alone beats the Xbox catalogue IMO.
It would have been zero if the other two games were canceled. Wow! Zero games! What is happening at Sony?
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
They still do better than exclusives outside of some Nintendo games. Ubisoft might as well announce they're the leading market for this gen.
Humdinger
Member
Can't vouch for the accuracy, but this guy did a tally of console exclusives (based on Gematsu's lists) and came up with:
Xbox 146
PS4 393
http://twinfinite.net/2017/07/all-current-generation-consoles-ranked-by-number-of-exclusives/
p.s. It's not just attributable to Japanese games. That's something Xbox guys like to throw out there, as a way of trivializing the difference -- "It's only those niche Japanese games; otherwise they are both the same." Not true.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
The issue with this argument is always plain to see. Given the structure of companies like Microsoft, creating hardware and OS updates shouldn't impact game development. The Xbox One didn't do this, so why would the launch of the Xbox One X? It's not as if their first party studios had to commit resources to developing Xbox One or OS updates. They have an army of engineers at their HQ for that. If Microsoft can't create compelling first party software whilst developing new hardware in tandem (which in all honesty, only a naive person would believe), then people should be worried.
They're not creating more first party software because they're not interested. It's that simple.
ElMexiMerican
Member
Microsoft definitely needs something, there's not too much keeping me engaged in my Xbone as there is on my PS4 or Switch. It's clear, however, that they really want to turn Xbox into a cross-platform brand (Xbox and Windows 10). Because of that, I think they're more focused on the long term than the short term (what's in the pipeline to be released four years from now, vs in the next two). I have a feeling they're going to hit hard, it's just not going to be soon.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
He showed Japanese games at the press conference. You thought exclusives. I wasn't thinking that at all.
RayCharlizard
Member
Jesus, I didn't realize it was that big of a gulf at all. Besides the pure numbers, the fact that out of those PS4 has so many noteworthy titles is telling. I'd be curious to see the same stats from last gen cus it felt to me like Xbox had more.
phantasmic_glaive
Member
It don't matter man.. I don't give a shit (and the average consumer definitely doesn't) who made the games, as long as they are dope and available on the system.
I could see your point if the lil games Xbox did come out with were dope, or amazing.. but..
I dunno. I'll say this, I have all systems and I know it didn't come out his year but I started Ori last month and it was one of the best games I played all year!
And I'll be there Day one for Cuphead.
Which is especially surprising as gaf usually doesn't really like Ubi games. So if people think that exclusives are *that* important, they might as well be wrong.
If they can't make hardware and software at the same time like literally every other platform holder, then they have a bigger problem that isnt their exclusive line up
Actually I don't mean exclusives at all.
"@XboxP3 Any chance of more JRPG on Xbox one? I love persona and wish it was coming out on xbox so I could beat my friends gamerscore on it."
"Replying to @NBFlying
Yes, visit to Japan confirmed for me we'd be seeing these coming <and yes I know I've said this before>"
https://mobile.twitter.com/XboxP3/status/844689200934928384
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
He showed Japanese games at the conference that were already announced as coming to Xbox One, and Dragon Ball FighterZ was always going to show up on Xbox, just like every other Dragon Ball home console game of the past decade.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Exclusives are important though. When I buy a PS4, I get great first party and third party content. It's not an either/or thing with Sony this generation.
RayCharlizard
Member
Speaking to this, and I don't mean to get off-topic, but Xbox One X seems to introduce an interesting technical hurdle in porting back to Xbox One/S with the eSRAM system. "Porting" to Xbox One X and scaling up seems to be easy, it'll be interesting to see how new products handle managing Xbox One and Xbox One X with different memory tech requirements compared to Pro and base PS4 where GPU/CPU improvement is the only difference.