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[kyliethicc]

from the CMA report

PlayStation reports their MAUs to be around 100 to 110 million, depending on the quarter

so Microsoft are saying Xbox has less than 50-55 million MAUs

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/63e3e9aee90e0762692b970a/M_A_Provisional_Findings_Report.pdf

 

[Mung]

Yes we know you're doing a very bad job in competing in an open market. Doesn't mean you should be able to buy Activision blizzard.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Microsoft says Xbox monthly active users hit a record 120 million | VGC

Company also reports “new highs for Game Pass subscriptions" during its second quarter…

www.videogameschronicle.com

 

[SlimySnake]

Didnt they just say that they hit 120 million users last month?

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/microsoft-says-xbox-monthly-active-users-hit-a-record-120-million.1650635/

Are they lying to us or the CMA?

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

What are chairman mau's?

 

[anothertech]

Fucking pathetic. Whether it's true or not.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

if you dont have great exclusive AAA content to attract gamers; a sub-service and indie like games are not going to move the needle.

 

[Raonak]

Ouch.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Microsoft lawyers after potentially committing fraud and documenting it:

 

[Punished Miku]

Didnt they just say that they hit 120 million users last month?

http://[URL]https://www.neogaf.com/...ctive-users-hit-a-record-120-million.1650635/

[/URL]

Are they lying to us or the CMA?

One is in metric for the CMA.

 

[diffusionx]

Microsoft’s “we should be able to buy A-B because we suck so bad compared to Sony” is a pretty hilarious strategy, really.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Didnt they just say that they hit 120 million users last month?

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/microsoft-says-xbox-monthly-active-users-hit-a-record-120-million.1650635/

Are they lying to us or the CMA?

They may have either lied to the regulators or their shareholders.

There has to be something else we're missing; I can't believe they just did this.

 

[Robb]

Xbox has less than 50-55 million MAUs

Microsoft says Xbox monthly active users hit a record 120 million

 

[onQ123]

Didnt they just say that they hit 120 million users last month?

http://[URL]https://www.neogaf.com/...ctive-users-hit-a-record-120-million.1650635/

[/URL]

Are they lying to us or the CMA?

The 120m include people on PC so they are probably talking about console users.

 

[Pelta88]

When you claim publicly that XBOX has 120 million Monthly Average Users. While knowing privately, that the actually number is 55 million...

And then the true number leaks on gaf.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The 120m include people on PC so they are probably talking about console users.

Xbox is a brand that includes PC now as of many years ago.

 

[TransTrender]

Either the Microsoft legal team is lying to the CMA, or the Microsoft financial team is lying to Wall Street investors.
The later one is much worse.

 

[Ar¢tos]

They may have either lied to the regulators or their shareholders.

There has to be something else we're missing; I can't believe they just did this.

Or lying to both and the real number is somewhere in between.
Lying to shareholders to appease them and lying to CMA to play victim.

 

[onQ123]

Xbox is a brand that includes PC now as of many years ago.

I know that but they might be using the console only numbers to help their case.

 

[diffusionx]

When you claim publically that XBOX got 120 million Monthly Average Users. But know that the actually number is actually 55 million.

And then the true number leaks

*laughs in Aaron Greenberg*

 

[DeepEnigma]

I know that but they might be using the console only numbers to help their case.

So a "white lie." Or a "half truth."

 

[PuffyCan]

Or maybe they are just talking about different market and both number can be true at the same time? Nah, it doesn't fit the narrative so let's ignore all logic here.

 

[kyliethicc]

Didnt they just say that they hit 120 million users last month?

http://[URL]https://www.neogaf.com/...ctive-users-hit-a-record-120-million.1650635/

[/URL]

Are they lying to us or the CMA?

the 120 million number is obviously bullshit. bet it includes pc users

 

[Magic Carpet]

The 120m include people on PC so they are probably talking about console users.

PC/Xbox the number should be included together IMHO.

 

[onQ123]

So a "white lie." Or a "half truth."

Yep

 

[GHG]

I know that but they might be using the console only numbers to help their case.

That would be pretty disingenuous considering a lot of their case has been built around the many "options" customers have to access their content and ecosystem.

 

[Gobjuduck]

They are clearly talking console MAUs here.

It says “console”. Context clues people. Holy shit. You think Microsoft’s lawyers just lie all day

Xbox Live / Gamepass MAU’s have doubled their console MAUs for years now.

Sony fans man…

 

[kyliethicc]

Or maybe they are just talking about different market

both are global

and both number can be true at the same time?

nope

 

[Ezekiel_]

So a "white lie." Or a "half truth."

 

[Ar¢tos]

They are clearly talking console MAUs here.

It says “console”. Context clues people. Holy shit. You think Microsoft’s lawyers just lie all day

Xbox Live / Gamepass MAU’s have doubled their console MAUs for years now.

Sony fans man…

If you separate console from pc for mau, then you count players that play both twice...

 

[GHG]

They are clearly talking console MAUs here.

It says “console”. Context clues people. Holy shit. You think Microsoft’s lawyers just lie all day

Xbox Live MAU’s have doubled their console MAUs for years now.

Sony fans man…

Interesting. Considering this is the first breakdown we've had of their MAU figures (at least publicly), how have you been privy to that information?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Phil Spencer: Game Pass leads to more game sales

This past weekend's X018 event was, arguably, a two-hour long advertisement for Game Pass, and given what Microsoft gam…

www.gamesindustry.biz

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

I heard the large number reported earlier included a user playing multiple games as multiple users, and a user playing on multiple devices as multiple users. So maybe they took out the dupes?

 

[Supple]

But but but Game Pass! /s

 

[X-Wing]

Didnt they just say that they hit 120 million users last month?

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/microsoft-says-xbox-monthly-active-users-hit-a-record-120-million.1650635/

Are they lying to us or the CMA?

Yep. Excluding mobile and PC users...

 

[Jimmyisback]

They may have either lied to the regulators or their shareholders.

There has to be something else we're missing; I can't believe they just did this.

Did you report it to the CMA yet?

 

[PuffyCan]

both are global


nope

You know there exist something outside consoles, right? You know this old thing called computers.

 

[Gobjuduck]

how have you been privy to that information?

 

[Jimmyisback]

They are clearly talking console MAUs here.

It says “console”. Context clues people. Holy shit. You think Microsoft’s lawyers just lie all day

Xbox Live / Gamepass MAU’s have doubled their console MAUs for years now.

Sony fans man…

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I want the show to continue.

 

[GHG]

http://[URL]https://www.gamesindustry.biz/phil-spencer-game-pass-leads-to-more-game-sales

[/URL]

So from now on:

• If Xbox PR put out any numbers - half it
• If Xbox PR make a statement - the opposite is true

 

[Mr Moose]

That's saying they have nearly 100M MAU in 2020, so they are in fact full of shit with this half figure.

 

[Kvally]

 

[EverydayBeast]

Corporate loves MAU. It’s crazy buying a console and not turning it on.

 

[Jimmyisback]

 

[GHG]

So their active console install base has stayed relatively the same since then? Is that what we're supposed to believe here?

Or do we have any official numbers that aren't napkin math extrapolated from console sales?

 

[Kvally]

^she's hot

 

[Yoboman]

If only regulators were as gullible as their fanbase

 

[kyliethicc]

They are clearly talking console MAUs here.

It says “console”.

no it doesn't

 

[Magic Carpet]

So their active console install base has stayed relatively the same since then? Is that what we're supposed to believe here?

Or do we have any official numbers that aren't napkin math extrapolated from console sales?

OR lost PC subscribers.

 

[DeepEnigma]

no it doesn't

They only mention brands there.