Jimmyisback
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no it doesn't
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Microsoft says Xbox has less than half the MAUs of PlayStation
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Ar¢tos
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Math also exists.
If total MAU = 120m ( includes PC, Console and Mobile)
Console = 50m (has to include console, Console + PC, Console + mobile, console + PC + mobile users)
Then PC, Mobile, PC + Mobile = 70m
Yeah.... No.
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GHG
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no it doesn't
This is the statement that references from Microsoft by the way:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/637cec9dd3bf7f5a0b33f881/MICROSOFT_S_RESPONSE.pdf
(page 3)
MasterCornholio
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Seems like it.
XBOX MAUs go beyond just thr Series and Playstation MAUs go beyond Playstation 5. Like for example I'm sure Sony can use The Shows install base on Xbox for their Playstation MAUs as crazy as that sounds.
Gobjuduck
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The line above says "console" base of the UK. That line is console MAUs globally, just use context.no it doesn't
digoutyoursoul
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Invest in new talent , new people at leadership levels rather than any more acquisitions. Maybe things will improve .
Mr Moose
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The line above is not part of that line, its a subsection.
DeepEnigma
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The line above is not a subsection to the new line that only mentions brands.
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ChorizoPicozo
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kyliethicc
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the quoted statement doesn't say console. as we all can see
its ok you made a mistake
and yes, the word console appears in the document elsewhere. no shit
H-I-M
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Gobjuduck
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I didn't, you are just confused. Because you want to believe in something else.
digoutyoursoul
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Then replace the ones who fuck up with better people. They can pay the salaries surely .
GHG
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Even if we "just use context" and assume they are only counting their console users in reference to MAU, why are they comparing that with Playstation's total MAU?
DeepEnigma
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ChorizoPicozo
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they can't. MS doesn't know how to run a videogame division.
Unknown?
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Ah yes, so Sony can just exclude things to suit their needs too.
Heisenberg007
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Man, this document is
Phil Spencer: Game Pass leads to more game sales
This past weekend's X018 event was, arguably, a two-hour long advertisement for Game Pass, and given what Microsoft gam…www.gamesindustry.biz
God bless the CMA for sharing this. We're learning so many things.
I am wondering, what MAUs would Sony have outside of PlayStation consoles? Do their games on Steam require you to login to PSN? I have never bought a PS game on PC, so I have no clue. If they don't, then would that be essentially PS Plus Premium users that are only streaming games to PC? (formerly PS Now).
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NickFire
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Wait. So you're telling me most people don't watch a movie on Netflix and buy it the next day?
Are you sure? Something about that. Hmmm.
GHG
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Do you guys not see the problem with making an assumption about another parties numbers in a legal context like this?
We don't know what Playstation's MAU break down is, in the same way that we don't know what Xbox's is when they update the public on their MAU figures. Figures like MAU can be manipulated and inflated in any number of ways.
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Yes, indeed! I would also like to see all the court documents (if Sony releases them) about their (Sony) exclusive deals. Let's go 100% transparency in 2023!Man, this document is
God bless the CMA for sharing this. We're learning so many things.
Heisenberg007
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digoutyoursoul
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Then get people who can
Heisenberg007
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When Sony is being investigated for a big acquisition like this, I'm sure we'll get the juicy information. Until then, let's enjoy this data from MicrosoftYes, indeed! I would also like to see all the court documents (if Sony releases them) about their (Sony) exclusive deals. Let's go 100% transparency in 2023!
SenjutsuSage
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For the people who don't get it, the larger number they gave before includes PC, mobile etc. Right here they are giving you JUST xbox consoles vs Playstation consoles.
SenjutsuSage
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Clearly?
Show us where it says "console" in this sentence.
Use your common sense and read the report. CMA's concerns regarding playstation is about the CONSOLE space only. So what they're mentioning is only relevant to the consoles.
Fuz
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lol
They add or subtract as needed.
NikuNashi
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It will include Playstation too soon at this trajectory. (If Sony will allow game pass)
MasterCornholio
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I am claiming I have no clue. It's why I asked a question, because I don't know.
When Sony is being investigated for a big acquisition like this, I'm sure we'll get the juicy information. Until then, let's enjoy this data from Microsoft
ChorizoPicozo
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like Jez Corden
Ass of Can Whooping
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Magic Carpet
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I'm reading through this thing now. They recognize that Playstation is the market leader and expect Microsoft to use that fact to compete harder, so the activision merger will weaken Sony. It also says that Microsoft has a strong catalog of games.
huh Strong catalog of games.
huh
huh Strong catalog of games.
huh
X-Wing
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- Our rival isn't Sony, it's Google and Amazon. That's why we release MAU numbers that focus only on consoles where neither Google nor Amazon are competing with us;
- That's also why none of the remedies we offered meant to sooth any concerns about those rivals;
- We won't take games from anyone, but even if we dit that would benefit everyone;
- Game Pass doesn't harm sales at all, but we do sell less games because of Game Pass;
- We are a very small company, so small that we really need to make this deal, for the value of our (non)competitor's market cap;
- That's also why none of the remedies we offered meant to sooth any concerns about those rivals;
- We won't take games from anyone, but even if we dit that would benefit everyone;
- Game Pass doesn't harm sales at all, but we do sell less games because of Game Pass;
- We are a very small company, so small that we really need to make this deal, for the value of our (non)competitor's market cap;
DeepEnigma
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Already does with Minecraft and the like
Dick Jones
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He said people who can
dotnotbot
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^she's hot
Are you into grannies?
digoutyoursoul
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No, not like Jez Corden at all
feynoob
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Xbox MAU is different than overall MAU.
Remember that they have PC+Xbox.
That 120m is true since it's counting both platforms.
Also steam requires you to log in to MS/Xbox account.
feynoob
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That is a milf. Milfs are superiors.
Well, if that's a granny, I am IN...literally.
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Dick Jones
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Only half a decade?
Baki
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MS manipulates the numbers to fit their narrative. For Wall St, they will put out the max possible numbers by being creative about what constitutes an Xbox Division MAU. For regulators, they want to minimize MAU to make themselves seem as small as possible, so they will go for a stricter definition.
Across all services in Xbox, their MAU is 120M, which is 8M above PS 112M. For consoles only, it's <55M MAU. Both can be true. It all comes down to definition and scope.
Across all services in Xbox, their MAU is 120M, which is 8M above PS 112M. For consoles only, it's <55M MAU. Both can be true. It all comes down to definition and scope.
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