LordCBH
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Microsoft says Xbox has less than half the MAUs of PlayStation
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Dick Jones
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It's very magnanimous of you to say that
Benniewise de Clown
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Isn't all this Spencers doing, though?
kyliethicc
Member
yeah but that number is bullshit really
they're probably including like people playing minecraft on nintendo and shit like that lol
Baki
Member
Likely. We don't have the actual definition. But it's certainly a true number in some sense.
Why wouldn't they?
kyliethicc
Member
its like saying "I have 3 kids... if I include my 3 nephews"
MAUs on other companies' platforms are not real MAUs
people playing games on Nintendo are Nintendo MAUs, regardless of who published the game
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X-Wing
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GHG
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It is absolutely relevant, especially considering their market share (read: monopoly) in that area along with the games and IP that Activision/Blizzard own. Even if we were to only consider COD it's still relevant.
But it's not like that.
If someone buys Microsoft's Minecraft on Xbox, and logs into Xbox Live to play Minecraft, that is an Xbox MAU
If someone buys Microsoft's Minecraft on PC, and logs into Xbox Live to play Minecraft, that is an Xbox MAU
If someone buys Microsoft's Minecraft on Switch, and logs into Xbox Live to play Minecraft, that is an Xbox MAU
If Sony requires you to login to PSN for Gran Turismo 7 on PC, that is a PS MAU
If Sony requires you to login to PSN for Gran Turismo 7 on PS, that is a PS MAU
That is the exact definition of an MAU for any company.
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ZehDon
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kyliethicc
Member
nope. Playstation's MAUs are strictly users on PS4 and PS5
JLB
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Grow up and attack the argument not the user.
you know, I was tempted to say that you are a Sony ass licker, but before jumping into conclusions your might provide any message from yourself criticizing the market leader buying Bungie or Insomniac. You know, for being... what the word? consistent.
Ill wait here to eat crows if proven wrong.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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Nope. Their MAUs include all users that are accessing PSN. Prior to Sony closing down their official game forums, their MAU's actually included free PSN accounts that were made to post on their game forums. It also includes PS Now subscribers on PC. It also included PS Now users on TVs before Sony discontinued PS Now access through TVs.
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darrylgorn
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This thread is 
feynoob
Banned
People are failing for this trick.
Regulators only get the console MAU, while investors get all of their platforms.
kyliethicc
Member
DeepEnigma
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Buying Avtivision doesn't just impact "consoles." It impacts the entire industry, which includes mobile (King) and PC.
feynoob
Banned
Nah. This is MS fault.
They screwed both Phil and don mattrick by making them chase unnecessary stuff, and limiting their budget.
Once gaming business started to make billions, they decided to invest on their platform. By that time, their gaming division was in shit place.
Well, of course they do. As does Sony. It's all part of trying to "win". Remember this gem?
feynoob
Banned
Wrong reply?
PS3, PS4, PS5, PC via PS Now (now called PS Plus Premium).
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
No, it is disingenuous to only give them console MAU but count Sony's entire MAU. Which they have done.
Especially when this purchase is not about just "consoles."
Bernardougf
Gold Member
XBOX is doing freaking great with 120 Millions MAU !! Also.. xbox is doing quite poor with just 50 millions MAU.. please let us buy that little 70 billion dollar company
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kyliethicc
Member
well PS3 and Vita, sure but thats like 3 people lol
as for PC streaming, they might include the few who stream via Plus but I doubt it
feynoob
Banned
It's fair. There is no disingenuous thing about that.
It's Xbox vs PS, not MS vs PS.
Sony has nothing to do with PC, so PC MAU doesn't matter against PS MAU.
Loxus
Member
If we go by your logic, Microsoft should be comparing their 120m MAU to PSN 112m MAU.
I am not using any "logic". I was just pointing out he was wrong. I agree with you. It should be 120 vs. 112.
Bernardougf
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Double post sorry
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Baki
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Never said Sony didn't. I was just explaining the discrepancy between the 2 numbers.
DeepEnigma
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Bro, the PS MAU they used for Sony, is including PC from Sony's total number announcement. So then, MS should be using PC as well.
Baki
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MS intention is to make their legal case stronger. So they will use whatever flawed comparisons they can get away with.
I was having this debate above with a member. I wonder what PC users Sony is counting? Do you think they count the sales of first party PC games? As of now, none of their games have PSN sign in mandates.
Bernardougf
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Xbox is xbox.. if xbox is doing fine with 120 millions MAU (as they said it) them thats it.. you cant separate those numbers so you can pretend is a separate division
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Please Understand™
Baki
Member
Xbox isn't looking for fair comparison. If this deal falls through, they have to give ABK up to $3B. They will do whatever is legally possible to get this deal done.
Baki
Member
Exactly. Billions of dollars on the line. They're not going to be boy scouts and put in the perfect and most balanced comparisons. They're going to fudge and distort as much as they legally can.
feynoob
Banned
Welcome to the world of business.
MS is using technicality aspect.
JackMcGunns
Member
So no buying of any company is allowed? or only allowed when you're doing well? You don't make any sense. The idea is that it will make MS too strong against Sony, when in reality it will merely put them on a competitive level. What Sony is doing while buying Insomniac, Bungie, Guerilla Games, etc., then turning around and trying to block others from making acquisitions is the real ANTI-competitive behavior.
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DeepEnigma
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Real in your condescending diatribe. I know how this works, doesn't make them any less clownish for it.
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feynoob
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It's not clownish or anything.
If you own a company, you would want the best outcome for your company.
You might not like it, but it works very well for their argument.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And the CMA sees through it. Thankfully they don't take every PR piece as gospel like social media and forum dwellers.
A.Romero
Member
Is it really hard to understand that companies will spin stuff to look the strongest when talking to shareholders and will try to look their weakest when arguing that a huge acquisition will not create a monopoly or unfair competition terms?
They don't have to lie, they just need to be creative with the numbers. They probably have some of the best lawyers involved in this and I seriously doubt that they would dare to lie in either case.
I mean, I know we are not going for objectivity here but I'd say it would be more interesting to mock Microsoft for having such a weak console ecosystem than to think they would commit perjury at the risk of just losing the case. If those numbers acted against them they wouldn't use them for an argument.
They don't have to lie, they just need to be creative with the numbers. They probably have some of the best lawyers involved in this and I seriously doubt that they would dare to lie in either case.
I mean, I know we are not going for objectivity here but I'd say it would be more interesting to mock Microsoft for having such a weak console ecosystem than to think they would commit perjury at the risk of just losing the case. If those numbers acted against them they wouldn't use them for an argument.
