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The court cares about law.Does the court care about Business, or about Right?
Hmmm...
The court cares about law.Does the court care about Business, or about Right?
Hmmm...
9% then (I don't get where do people get the crazy idea of iOS being 50% of the market).half of mobile gaming.
I don't pay any attention to smartphone news, but..even better for my point.9% then (I don't get where do people get the crazy idea of iOS being 50% of the market).
It also affects MacOS though.
Tim Sweeny's whim?
Looks like entire industry is involved one way or the other.
Epicwho uses unreal on ios anyway
It also would harm countless number of developers, that is what one would want to avoid.Sounds like at "worst" Apple would be hurting themselves
If Apple is able to ban Epic from iOS that affects Unreal Engine. MS has a couple of Unreal Engine games on iOS and other developers do as well. Blocking that engine from accessing Apple's tools would hurt more than just big bad Epic.
You can block an app from the store without blocking someone's developer account. Both parties are being petty at this point.
This is based on the fact that Epic rightly or wrongly believes that they have a legal right to do so hence the court case. Apples terms are what Epic are challenging because what are in the terms still need to be legal. By putting that in the game and going against the terms then filing a court case they are hoping to win and then they can sue for damages (lost revenue due to having the app removed). This will be settled in the court.Again, maybe Epic shouldn't tie their engine business to their games business which is trying to have a war with the platform holders.
If Epic cared about their development community, they would abide by the terms set out by the platform holders. Breaking the terms and making demands for the platform holder to change them after the fact is not how a reasonable company does business.
But this wasn't some kind of mistake or a case of ignorance on behalf of the developer. This isn't just an issue of pulling down the app and asking them to make changes.
This is the developer knowingly breaking the terms and having their CEO state to Apple's CEO that they do not intend to abide by those terms and that Apple needs to change them to accommodate.
There's no doing further business with such a party until they change their mind. It makes sense to terminate their developer account.
The judge essentially implied that Epic are full of shit in his ruling.. they have almost no chance in their actual case, the judge is really just acting here to protect 3rd parties from harm while at the same time scolding Epic for their behavior.I am no attorney so let me get that out of the way....
Here is where I think Epic has a problem even when trying to block Apple from removing access to SDK. Apple has already given the courts and Epic a clear path to retain all access including having Fortnite restored to the app store. All Epic has to do is restore their software back to a state that it complies with Apples terms of service. They have even made it clear that Epic can pursue their antitrust trust case with no retaliation as long as all of Epic's software complies with the current TOS. I have high doubts that the courts are going to force Apple to allow another company to include software that breaks their TOS. Especially since Epic has already has proven to be a bad actor. If anything, I would hope Epic comes to their senses and restores all of their software so that it no longer breaks Apples TOS. They have a clear path in which they can fight it out in court without it impacting the Unreal Engine and Fortnite.
This is based on the fact that Epic rightly or wrongly believes that they have a legal right to do so hence the court case. Apples terms are what Epic are challenging because what are in the terms still need to be legal. By putting that in the game and going against the terms then filing a court case they are hoping to win and then they can sue for damages (lost revenue due to having the app removed). This will be settled in the court.
However removing the companies developer accounts will not be a good look for apple in the eyes of the court because it will seem like a petty reason to remove their accounts. Epic can actually create another account easily though and abide by the terms.
I read that a ruling had come down after my post. I went back and edited it. It will be interesting going forward. I am not sure about the judges comments about the 30% apple tax since 30% is a standard in the industry.The judge essentially implied that Epic are full of shit in his ruling.. they have almost no chance in their actual case, the judge is really just acting here to protect 3rd parties from harm while at the same time scolding Epic for their behavior.
The judge essentially implied that Epic are full of shit in his ruling.. they have almost no chance in their actual case, the judge is really just acting here to protect 3rd parties from harm while at the same time scolding Epic for their behavior.
Yeah was just saying your thoughts pretty much align with what the judge said.. Epic knowingly broke a TOS and doesn't have a legal standing to force Apple to deploy their payment method.I read that a ruling had come down after my post. I went back and edited it. It will be interesting going forward. I am not sure about the judges comments about the 30% apple tax since 30% is a standard in the industry.
That's not at all what happened, or do you just like to make things up? The judge ruled that Apple had no right to retaliate towards Epic's Fortnite move by suspending the Unreal Engine account since those are two separate entities. This ruling essentially told Apple that they overreached and gave Epic more fuel for it's App store lawsuit.The judge essentially implied that Epic are full of shit in his ruling.. they have almost no chance in their actual case, the judge is really just acting here to protect 3rd parties from harm while at the same time scolding Epic for their behavior.
Judge scolding Epic:That's not at all what happened, or do you just like to make things up? The judge ruled that Apple had no right to retaliate towards Epic's Fortnite move by suspending the Unreal Engine account since those are two separate entities. This ruling essentially told Apple that they overreached and gave Epic more fuel for it's App store lawsuit.
To Epic: "Your client created this situation. Your client does not come to this action with clean hands ..... in my view, you cannot have irreparable harm when you create the harm yourself."
True but keep in mind this is just for the TRO and most likely done to prevent any immediate harm to third parties. This ruling will have no bearing on the future preliminary injunction ruling or the overall antitrust lawsuit.That's not at all what happened, or do you just like to make things up? The judge ruled that Apple had no right to retaliate towards Epic's Fortnite move by suspending the Unreal Engine account since those are two separate entities. This ruling essentially told Apple that they overreached and gave Epic more fuel for it's App store lawsuit.
True, but I think if Epic's lawyers are worth their salt which I'm sure they are, they'll use the fact that Apple attempted to block their Unreal Engine access over a non related transgression over Fortnite in their antitrust suit.True but keep in mind this is just for the TRO and most likely done to prevent any immediate harm to third parties. This ruling will have no bearing on the future preliminary injunction ruling or the overall antitrust lawsuit.
In fact, they even support 3rd party controllers (like Xbox One or PS4) on their Apple TV boxes and have a game subscription service "a la GamePass", so it's really no surprise there. Heck, they even have their own low-level graphics API (Metal) supported on their Apple TV and iOS devices (that even supports Ray Tracing). They literally have everything on the tech side to take a step inside the videogame world. They also have the popularity of their iOS devices (literally hundreds of millions of iPhones out there) and a TV box in many homes. EPIC Store there would be a serious threat to their incursion, just like it would be for Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo.We all know which direction this is heading and I'm surprised it's taken so long.
Apple will be entering the gaming market with a hand-held, all in one device. It streams and plays games, has Apple messenger for traditional texts, Facetime in lieu of traditional phone calls and can be attached switch-style to an Apple TV like device.
They want Unreal off of the Apple ecosystem because Apple games and Apple devs will use Apple's own proprietary game engine, used by third parties and indie-devs alike.
Thank you for backing up my theory with evidence. I appreciate the work that you put in thereIn fact, they even support 3rd party controllers (like Xbox One or PS4) on their Apple TV boxes and have a game subscription service "a la GamePass", so it's really no surprise there. Heck, they even have their own low-level graphics API (Metal) supported on their Apple TV and iOS devices (that even supports Ray Tracing). They literally have everything on the tech side to take a step inside the videogame world. They also have the popularity of their iOS devices (literally hundreds of millions of iPhones out there) and a TV box in many homes. EPIC Store there would be a serious threat to their incursion, just like it would be for Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo.