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Missouri collegiate Football team starts strike over racism at school

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EatinOlives

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You can tell what people really think about this when they start conflating the shitty behavior of the handful of protesters blocking the media vs. the overall message of the entire student body that is protesting.
 

freeofgreed

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You can tell what people really think about this when they start conflating the shitty behavior of the handful of protesters blocking the media vs. the overall message of the entire student body that is protesting.

Yup. People were looking for any reason to dismiss this. See how quickly the entire tone of the thread shifted after that video was posted? Suddenly this thread became another bitch fest whining about liberals and college kids.
 
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You can tell what people really think about this when they start conflating the shitty behavior of the handful of protesters blocking the media vs. the overall message of the entire student body that is protesting.

Sadly, it wasn't a handful of protesters. From the full version of the video, it looks like at least 150 or so protesters were glad to cooperate in being used as a blockade against the press. They had at least two perimeter lines, at least two rows of students deep, so that estimate is probably really low. Fucking sheep students, man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S3yMzEee18&feature=youtu.be

(Watch from 10:30 on and you can see the size of the blockade and how many students participated in it.)

EDIT: My estimate was actually really REALLY low. Watch from 10:30 on (especially 11:30 on when Ms. Click is encouraging the students to keep the press out.) On second view it looks like over 1500 protestors easily.

Hardly a "handful" by any estimation. In fact, the suggestion that this is a "handful" is a joke.
 

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The Missouri School of Journalism is proud of photojournalism senior Tim Tai for how he handled himself during a protest on Carnahan Quad on the University of Missouri campus.

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The news media have First Amendment rights to cover public events. Tai handled himself professionally and with poise.

Also, for clarification, Assistant Professor Melissa Click, featured in several videos confronting journalists, is not a faculty member in the Missouri School of Journalism.

She is a member of the MU Department of Communication in the College of Arts and Science. In that capacity she holds a courtesy appointment with the School of Journalism. Journalism School faculty members are taking immediate action to review that appointment.

Awesome. Someone as wretchedly goddam ignorant as she is doesn't belong anywhere near a university campus.
 

freeofgreed

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Are you and I on the same reddit?

/r/news has racist comments, but those are always downvoted.

Try sorting by best. I find it works pretty well in large subreddits.

Anything in /r/funny or any of the immature subreddits will be more like youtube comments, but I ignore those.

This has nothing to do with what he said. He said on the front page reddit is terrible with issues regarding racism this is absolutely true. Racism is rampant on the default subs. I just went there to check myself and that shit was still problematic as fuck.
 

HokieJoe

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Are you and I on the same reddit?

/r/news has racist comments, but those are always downvoted.

Try sorting by best. I find it works pretty well in large subreddits.

Anything in /r/funny or any of the immature subreddits will be more like youtube comments, but I ignore those.


And that's exactly what everyone should do if you encounter unsavory content. We'd all be better off if everyone followed your small example here.
 

HokieJoe

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She's actually still a professor in another department. This was just the J-School cutting ties.


Hopefully, the university will send her ass packing as well. However, given the climate, I wouldn't lay odds on it. If she doesn't understand how free speech rights work, she doesn't belong near any school.
 
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You can tell what people really think about this when they start conflating the shitty behavior of the handful of protesters blocking the media vs. the overall message of the entire student body that is protesting.

Handful? try 100s

and what do people really think? this was a big group trying to as the article said "weaponize safe space". they have moved one step beyond rational thinking which is absurdity.
 

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I am sure she will spin it as being fired because she was part of the protests in some conspiracy to silence her.

Those kinds of professors are the worst. They were in my undergrad too. One of them tried to turn my class into a social experiment by making our final exam an essay, that a group of 4 would do. Meaning you each wrote a 12 page essay and submit it. But in order to promote teamwork and cultural understanding, he would then only pick one of the 4 essays and we'd all get whatever mark that was as our final grade. I'm a natural 95% or more essay/test taker and she partnered me with some racist ass white girls, another person who barely had time to do anything outside of work. Had to escalate it to the dean and student union complaint to get her to stop.

Assistant professor should be fired, the original point of the protest has been overtaken at this point, and why am I not surprised it was co-opted by a lot of white people who turned it into something else. But hopefully their original requests for the strike halve merit and are listened to, and then each of these morons preaching safe spaces and bullying the Asian journalist get some perspective. Their knowledge of freedom of expression, freedom of the press and freedom of peaceful assembly is woefully poor. They remind me of those citizen journalists spouting bullshit in front of cops as they film etc.
 

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Around 2:08, a woman walks right up to the photographer and says, “You know what? Back off of my personal space. Leave these students alone.”
That woman then spreads out her arms and starts pushing the photographer back more––and as she makes contact with his body other students tell him, “Stop pushing her.”

"STOP RESISTING"

The whole incident was disgusting as fuck.
 
The campus police wants students and teachers to report any hateful speech to them:

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/n...cle_036779a6-87de-11e5-a1fd-7b09bf4bf1f1.html

According to an email sent out Tuesday morning, the department said that hateful and hurtful speech are "not crimes," but it would still like to know when it happens.

The email states: “While cases of hateful and hurtful speech are not crimes, if the individual(s) identified are students, MU’s Office of Student Conduct can take disciplinary action.”

“It’s important to note that hateful speech is not a crime,” Weimer said. “So there will be no arrests and no citations issued; this is just a place to report.”
 
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Those kinds of professors are the worst. They were in my undergrad too. One of them tried to turn my class into a social experiment by making our final exam an essay, that a group of 4 would do. Meaning you each wrote a 12 page essay and submit it. But in order to promote teamwork and cultural understanding, he would then only pick one of the 4 essays and we'd all get whatever mark that was as our final grade. I'm a natural 95% or more essay/test taker and she partnered me with some racist ass white girls, another person who barely had time to do anything outside of work. Had to escalate it to the dean and student union complaint to get her to stop.

Assistant professor should be fired, the original point of the protest has been overtaken at this point, and why am I not surprised it was co-opted by a lot of white people who turned it into something else. But hopefully their original requests for the strike halve merit and are listened to, and then each of these morons preaching safe spaces and bullying the Asian journalist get some perspective. Their knowledge of freedom of expression, freedom of the press and freedom of peaceful assembly is woefully poor. They remind me of those citizen journalists spouting bullshit in front of cops as they film etc.

The university has failed these students. They are ignorantly just following these "leaders" like sheep into trampling on what should be seen by all students in this country as an essential human right.

Where is the consciousness to question "hey...is keeping the press out right? Is this really what I should be doing?" Where is the critical thinking that a university is supposed to foster among this mass of students?
 

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Yeah dude let's just ignore racism. That'll totally fix it!!!



You're not going to 'fix' racism by shouting down and locking out these opinions. Only time and education are the cure. I don't condone Machiavellian tactics to accomplish one's goals.
 

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Are you and I on the same reddit?

/r/news has racist comments, but those are always downvoted.

Try sorting by best. I find it works pretty well in large subreddits.

Anything in /r/funny or any of the immature subreddits will be more like youtube comments, but I ignore those.
they are absolutely not always downvoted. /r/news, /r/pics/, /r/worldnews, etc. are full of racist and sexist comments that get hundreds of upvotes
 

freeofgreed

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You're not going to 'fix' racism by shouting down and locking out these opinions. Only time and education are the cure. I don't condone Machiavellian tactics to accomplish one's goals.

What are you even referring to? You "fix" racism by engagement, who said anything about "shouting out and locking out opinions"? How does one even do that? Ignoring it does nothing.
 

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What are you even referring to? You "fix" racism by engagement, who said anything about "shouting out and locking out opinions"? How does one even do that? Ignoring it does nothing.

Don't you know? In arguments about race and "politically correct" stuff, we should always listen to both sides. If we try and criticize racists for racism, that's censorship. And that's even worse than racism!!!
 

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Well, this protest doesn't respect the right of media access to public space, even student media, like Tim Tai and Mark Schierbecker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRlRAyulN4o

It basically breaks down to everyone yelling about "don't enter my personal space" while in a gigantic crowd, of which includes a journalism professor (who called for "muscle" to come move the student media) and an assistant director of Greek Life as well. Both employees of the university.

http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/melissa-click-janna-basler-missouri-communications-professor-video-block-student-journalists-facebook-salary-photos-tim-tai-mark-schierbecker/

Maybe it's just me, but this seems off.
I can't even begin to understand what they are talking about in this video. I can't comprehend what they are trying to accomplish with their "safe space".
 

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Pretty good response. Glad to see them address it quickly.

I'm on campus right now walking between classes. The events this year are really part of a past century of poor race relations and events that have happened throughout the years, even in recent years.

so what do you think about Michael Sam saying he never had any race issues during his time there in an MSNBC interview? I'm starting to think some people were intimidated and now enough have finally spoken.

What other events over the years ? Maybe you could give one or two examples?
 
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You can tell what people really think about this when they start conflating the shitty behavior of the handful of protesters blocking the media vs. the overall message of the entire student body that is protesting.

Another view of the "handful" of protesters blockading the press:

 

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so what do you think about Michael Sam saying he never had any race issues during his time there in an MSNBC interview? I'm starting to think some people were intemidated and now enough have finally spoken.

What other events over the years ? Maybe you could give one or two examples?
I don't want to be too presumptuous to say this, but I could imagine that Michael Sam might had less of race issues than perhaps the average student. Far before he made national headlines with his coming out, he was a huge celebrity on campus, widely and well loved. Student athletes, especially those within football and basketball do enjoy quite a bit of privilege on this campus. I can't comment on intimidation that any African American students felt because I'm not one.

As for events, there was the infamous cotton-ball incident around the black student center a few years back that comes to mind as a particularly egregious example.
 

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so what do you think about Michael Sam saying he never had any race issues during his time there in an MSNBC interview? I'm starting to think some people were intimidated and now enough have finally spoken.

What other events over the years ? Maybe you could give one or two examples?

This is ridiculous. So because 1 player has come out and said they haven't experienced any bigotry, it suddenly invalidates the dozens of students who say they have, and say that it's pervasive through out the campus? Your comment is presumptuous as hell.
 

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This is ridiculous. So because 1 player has come out and said they haven't experienced any bigotry, it suddenly invalidates the dozens of students who say they have, and say that it's pervasive through out the campus? Your comment is presumptuous as hell.
Reading comprehension bruh. He's saying he thinks Sam's comment wasn't indicative, that it was always there and that people are now speaking up because of an atmosphere change.
 

freeofgreed

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Reading comprehension bruh. He's saying he thinks Sam's comment wasn't indicative, that it was always there and that people are now speaking up because of an atmosphere change.

If that's what he meant fair enough I apologize, but it didn't read like that to me.
 

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You know what, I didn't care about this story when it was about racists and shit swastikas, but now the press is being blocked from talking to people who don't want to talk to them?!?

THIS SHALL NOT PASS!!!!!!
 

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You know what, I didn't care about this story when it was about racists and shit swastikas, but now the press is being blocked from talking to people who don't want to talk to them?!?

THIS SHALL NOT PASS!!!!!!
Given there's not much to disagree with on the topic of "are feces swastikas bad y/n" but, for some strange reason, there's actual disagreement on the merits of blocking press coverage, it's not surprising there's more discussion on the topic there's disagreement on.

A thread with 200 "yes smeared shit swastikas are bad and the school should respond more strongly" posts wouldn't have much to discuss even though it'd be a correct take on one of the topics.

It's not some signal of sneaky subtle apathy to racism or even racism itself that you and others here imply with these sorts of observations.
 

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Given there's not much to disagree with on the topic of "are feces swastikas bad y/n" but, for some strange reason, there's actual disagreement on the merits of blocking press coverage, it's not surprising there's more discussion on the topic there's disagreement on.

It's not some signal of sneaky subtle apathy to racism or even racism itself racism that you and others here imply with these sorts of observations.

You're either 100% with us or 100% against us, duh. :p
 

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You know what, I didn't care about this story when it was about racists and shit swastikas, but now the press is being blocked from talking to people who don't want to talk to them?!?

THIS SHALL NOT PASS!!!!!!

Got to change the narrative. They always crying over a burning CVS, but they never talk about why it burned.
 

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You know what, I didn't care about this story when it was about racists and shit swastikas, but now the press is being blocked from talking to people who don't want to talk to them?!?

THIS SHALL NOT PASS!!!!!!

Who do you blame though? I mean it's like you want people to ignore a white Professor yelling and grabbing at a student journalists camera, telling him to not film and get lost and then calling for 'muscle' to help remove him. It's obviously going to change the narrative. Because it stops being a protest and strike about discrimination on school, and more about freedom of assembly, freedom of expression etc.

This always happens for pretty much any movements as well. It's why I hate when others co-opt them to fit in as allies or to show false support. This professor has done more harm than any positive good. I mean it's even on the Canadian news here about a professor preventing a student from filming and threatening him. It's fucked up. No mention of what the original protest was really about.
 

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Amazing every time a black protest goes down, it is downplayed or ignored until something tangentially related happens that allows the media to use as an excuse to attack the protest.

Just for people to go "I was for Black Lives Matter but they littered, now fuck them"
 

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Got to change the narrative. They always crying over a burning CVS, but they never talk about why it burned.

Or maybe some people can understand how bad racism is in this country while at the same time disagree with a bunch of protesters that openly disrespect the First Amendment. I'm confident that countless people that support protests such as those in Ferguson, including myself, are critical of the ConcernedStudent1950 movement.
 

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Or maybe some people can understand how bad racism is in this country while at the same time disagree with a bunch of protesters that openly disrespect the First Amendment. I'm confident that countless people that support protests such as those in Ferguson, including myself, are critical of the ConcernedStudent1950 movement.

But the criticism gets to the point be the only thing there is, no discussion on why it is happen or ways it can be corrected. Just the damning and shaming,.
 

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Missouri and Columbia is a cesspool of racist asshats.

Guess what, the pick-driving, confederate flag-flying racist asshats that live in Columbia are still going to drive around the town and public roads no matter how many mandatory online seminars you make the freshman take.

Edit: Not to say one shouldn't try and better the campus, but you can't safe space yourself from the world. Hell, look how it goes over when you try and safe space a simple quad.
 

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Given there's not much to disagree with on the topic of "are feces swastikas bad y/n" but...

Plenty to disagree with. What are the right responses? Did the President need to resign? Should players use their athletic scholarships as ransom?

But that elicited crickets from a lot of people, but low and behold this silly story pops off and everyone wants to talk about the existential siege against the fourth estate. It's a joke.
 

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Plenty to disagree with. What are the right responses? Did the President need to resign? Should players use their athletic scholarships as ransom?

But that elicited crickets from a lot of people, but low and behold this silly story pops off and everyone wants to talk about the existential siege against the fourth estate. It's a joke.

Oddly - ESPN had a lot of conversation (much of it thoughtful) about the first parts. The debate didn't go on long because the President resigned so quickly, though.
 

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Can someone explain why they didn't want anyone to cover the protest? They won... Usually you want coverage of that?
 
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You know what, I didn't care about this story when it was about racists and shit swastikas, but now the press is being blocked from talking to people who don't want to talk to them?!?

THIS SHALL NOT PASS!!!!!!

Considering this is your first post in this thread, a thread that has been active for three days, your post on caring about whatever whenever is rich. ;)
 

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For all of you out of touch with our campus, there have been threats alluding to violence tomorrow on YikYak (al la what happened with Oregon), and there was a racist hate group set up in Speaker's Circle.

Things continue to get worse here.

Edit: also threats to the Black Culture Center apparently.
 
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For all of you out of touch with our campus, there have been threats alluding to violence tomorrow on YikYak (al la what happened with Oregon), and there was a racist hate group set up in Speaker's Circle.

Things continue to get worse here.

Edit: also threats to the Black Culture Center apparently.

Stay safe, a lot of sketchy dudes with guns on the surrounding counties, I know.
 

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Missouri and Columbia is a cesspool of racist asshats.

Guess what, the pick-driving, confederate flag-flying racist asshats that live in Columbia are still going to drive around the town and public roads no matter how many mandatory online seminars you make the freshman take.

Edit: Not to say one shouldn't try and better the campus, but you can't safe space yourself from the world. Hell, look how it goes over when you try and safe space a simple quad.

Probably shouldn't throw stones.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/30486252/ku-minority-students-plan-march-town-hall-meeting
 

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Are you and I on the same reddit?

/r/news has racist comments, but those are always downvoted.

Try sorting by best. I find it works pretty well in large subreddits.

Anything in /r/funny or any of the immature subreddits will be more like youtube comments, but I ignore those.

I think it mostly resides in /r/videos, most men's rights douchebags like to use it as a platform, and the racists were out in full force for Trayvon and Ferguson. I honestly think that if 2 X Chromosomes was not a default sub, reddit would have been called out for being a racist and misogynist echo chamber.
 
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