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More than likely it's Bernie vs Trump? Who wins in all likelihood?

Cutty Flam

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Who campaigns better and persuades more people? Half the country will hate on Trump for any little remark or quip that comes out of his mouth, but a lot of people are probably very weary of someone like Bernie, who is old and now dealing with heart issues. It could be we would be with his VP for 4 years if he cannot handle the stress, and SPeaker of the House becomes our VP at that point...

So what do you guys see coming up?
 

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Bernie is gonna get the plurality of delegates but he’s gonna get fucked by the DNC in a contested convention and the Democratic Party is gonna implode.

Now that even Warren is attacking him constantly, I feel like this is inevitable unless he actually and truly runs away with it.
 
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something weird happening like Bernie dying right before the election and people vote for him to respect him or as a gag effectively electing whoever he chose as his vice president.
 
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Sanders biggest obstacle is the Democratic establishment/DNC and the quote unquote news media.

It's despicable, but they quite possibly have the power and the decision to either ensure Sanders is not the nominee, or to rally around him when the time comes. If they choose to back him, I have zero doubt Trump loses. If they sit it out or worse help Trump, Trump will win.

In a vacuum I would say Sanders would win 60-40
 
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Sanders biggest obstacle is the Democratic establishment/DNC and the quote unquote news media.

It's despicable, but they quite possibly have the power and the decision to either ensure Sanders is not the nominee, or to rally around him when the time comes. If they choose to back him, I have zero doubt Trump loses. If they sit it out or worse help Trump, Trump will win.

In a vacuum I would say Sanders would win 60-40
Sanders biggest problem is that the vast majority of democrat voters are centre left moderates.
They have a lot more in common with and will vote with Trump rather than vote for a socialist that wants
to nationalize the banks and all industry.

Normal people just don't want socialism or communism.

I know that everyone in your bubble and on twitter that you have not yet blocked thinks Sanders should be king and will win by 99% of the votes. But that will not happen.
 

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Sanders would get savaged. You got one of the best economical revivals in history under Trump, you got his dragon energy and balls-to-the-wall approach to everything. He would not be politically correct or give Bernie a moment to breath, he would run circles around him while he stands there waving his arms saying "all will be free forever". Trump appeals to patriots, workers, economists and business men. Sanders appeals to lazy college drop-outs who refuse to work, live with their mistakes and accept any responsibility.
 

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I think it's too early to say for sure it'll be Bernie, as the DNC has plenty of time left to fuck him over. Assuming for the sake of argument Bernie does lead in the primaries, there's really two possible outcomes: Bernie is the nominee, or the DNC screws him for one of their late-game planted agreeables like Amy or Pete.

From what I understand Amy has ties with the Clintons and Pete owns large stakes in the company that made the app they used for the Caucus, which he suspiciously lead in, so I really think one of them will be picked if they keep showing up as 2nd and 3rd. If either of them are picked they'll lose to Trump. Most people will see how full if shit the DNC is snubbing Bernie twice and they'll lose a lot of goodwill with traditionally dem voters.

If Bernie does get the nomination, I think he has the best chance to beat Trump, but it's still unlikely. Plus if he even gets it he'll be opposed by both Republicans and Democrats in the other Branches. Trump faced something similar but to say he's more assertive than Bernie is a huge understatement.

Personally I've always leaned more Democrat, but with my pick Tulsi "Mommy" Gabbard being snubbed and screwed over by the Clinton machine for quitting the corrupt DNC and backing Bernie in 2016, I've decided that who the DNC decides on will determine what respect I have left for Democratic party in general. If the people choose Bernie and they actually respect that then I'm going to back Bernie. If they fuck him over again and try to pretend they didn't I'm just not voting. And if anybody gives me shit for not voting and being "part of the problem" by not voting against Trump, I'll have half a mind to do something "deplorable."

I'm done with the division the DNC (and wokeness, but thats a whole other can of worms), have done.
 
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Difficult to tell. Currently I would say Trump, but I first want to see how their campaigns go when they are really going head2head.
 

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Similar vibe on both sides. You never know. Best candidate to go against Trump, style against style. None of the them match up to him in terms of scenic presence and charisma, but the ideas behind Sanders might give him a push.
 

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I think it is more likely that Sanders wins over Trump under the assumption that Sanders wins the nomination than that Sanders wins the nomination. Even if he gets the most votes in every caucus and every primary, he will not get the 50% needed to prvent the super delegates from having a say.
 

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Bernie would get mauled in a General. He doesn't have the level of spine needed to go toe to toe with someone who has already been under 5+ years of wall to wall smears and nearly 100% negative press. It would require him to wade down into the shit, and he has shown absolutely no willingness to do so.

All the GOP would have to do is set up a PAC that does nothing but pay for ads with Bernie's own quotes. A couple hundred ads full of "Cuba is great!" I love the Soviets!" "Bread lines are fantastic!" "Chavez is awesome!" "We should seize the means of production!" "No, I never said we should seize the means of production!" "There should never be millionaires!" "Well, of course I'm entitled to millions for my book deal! You should write one too if you want millions!" and most people will just nope right the fuck outta there at the ballot box.
 

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There is no way in hell Bernie would even have a shot - if you are young or spend a lot of time online it likely feels like he would, but the word "socialism" (whether it should or not) is a death sentence.
 

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Didn't we just have this same thread with imaginary maps? It's not happening, you guys are using Iowa and NH as a blue print for who's going to be the nom?
 
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Some realistic info as to what would happen.



Personally I believe Trump in a landslide...and deservedly so.
 
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Barring Trump stroking out on stage, I dont really see how he can lose no matter who the Dem candidate is. He has weathered a total shit storm for YEARS and it all just rolls off his back. Even if the economy tanks now he can just blame it on china, otherwise he is riding a great economic wave. The "anyone but trump" rhetoric is fine up till you gotta actually get out and do something about it, which we all know is hard to do when you gotta go to work (most dems now giving how low unemployment is) or are too scared to leave your basement (the typical internet dem warrior).

I would have voted for Tulsi. Maybe even Yang. But never Bernie, Biden, or Warren. Dont know enough about Klobuchar or buttigeg but I dont see them making the distance. Bloomberg.....well 'nuff said. The dems let fox news play up AOC and 'the squad' too much so now I dont know of many Democrats other than rabid socialists. They monopolized all the screen time a rational moderate dem could have used to set themself up as heir to the obama/clinton legacy.
 
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Constant campaigning and shaking hands over the next year? Both 70+? Corona virus will kill both of them before a vaccine is made. Pence wins by default?
 
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Bernie would win if, should he be nominated, he were to forget the DNC’s rat race of escalating progressive virtue-signaling and just spoke like a normal fucking person.

Don’t let people throw you off of your own podium, call out interviewers/moderators who are trying solely to make you look bad, try to understand what the needs of all instead of appealing the wants of brainwashed urbanites.

Half of Trump’s campaign in 2016 was basically him saying “fuck all the other politicians and their incestuous rat race”, which is exactly what people want to hear.

If Bernie had that attitude, refused to stoop to the level of discourse that plagued the last election, AND showed that he cared about people, I think the odds would actually be in his favor.

As it stands, he a dry capitulating pussy who only stands out from the other Dems by having socialist views, the only one of which that is even remotely palatable on its own is “free healthcare”. Anything more than that is going to drive all but a small minority away from him, unless he introduces these concepts gradually and gracefully. He would never do that, because modern politicians want to appeal to whatever crowd is in front of them rather than appealing to the American populace as a whole, so he’ll scream socialist policies upon the hilltops to impress a small few.

Mind you, this is all if he gets the nomination, which the DNC will very clearly screw him out of (again).

As of right now, I don’t see a scenario in which Bernie wins.
 
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People sure use a lot of straw man tactics about things that Sanders has either never said or will never be able to do (such as a full nationalization, see above).
 
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Bernie gathers all of the Dragon Balls and summons Shenron. He is going to wish to be President of the United States! Shenron then flat out refuses to grant his wish saying that is something he cannot grant. “Why can’t you grant my wish?!” Bernie exclaims in shock and dismay. The great dragon leans down to whisper in his ear.........

and says in the lowest possible voice he can muster.......

IT’S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!

Then, BluehairedDancingUnicorn, a Resetera mod woke up.

_The End_


P.S.
Trump by a landslide.
 
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Most reasonable people I know think there is a real problem with the government who initiated the flawed ObamaCare now wanting to double down and take control of it all. And most also see government at its best in limited, controlled form. They don't see the sense in getting rid of farting cows, airplanes, and the combustion engine because they were promised an ice age once, a desert once again, and neither has happened. Not to say Climate Change isn't a thing, but the left has hijacked in an attempt to gain political power and fucked it all up.

TLDR: the things the Left wants to do are not going to appeal to mainstream America. If Sanders is the nominee, that's the ball game.
 

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i see a narrow path to victory for bernie, not gonna be easy as it would have been in 2016

his staff needs a complete reboot, i'd fire lots of people
 
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i see a narrow path to victory for bernie, not gonna be easy as it would have been in 2016

his staff needs a complete reboot, i'd fire lots of people
If any Democrat wins, I hope its him, because then the establishment will have been burned down twice in as many elections; once on the right and once on the left. It would be a good start for reshuffling the deck.
 

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Hate is a good motivator so even as a Trump supporter i basically cant see how Trump can win this and its not because of anything he has done nope, but because of politically illiterate people who never smelled a lie farted out of a random democrat asshole they didn't pretend smelled like a rose garden.
Reminder you still have lots of people believing trump is a russian agent, completely blinded by hate and conspiracies.
Obvious bullshit Conspiracies spread on a global scale 24/7 for years by media which then used the democrats propaganda cattle/base to spread it even more on social media.
3 years of constant hate pumped into minds meant even if you showered them with prove which has been done continuously every step of the way, they only choose to continuously ignored it.
Their entire hate for Trump was and is basically based on lies they CHOOSE to believe despite the mountain of contrary evidence.
Cant just switch off feelings of hate nourished not for weeks, or months but for YEARS... facts be damned.
If Trump somehow manages to win again its basically a second historic win.
 
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As someone who is an American and spends a considerable amount of time amongst white rural laborers (Trump's strongest voting bloc) who don't vote in polls and don't care what the polls say and I hear them talking about their lives, their issues, their gripes with the political system, I gotta say that if Bernie does get the nom he'll get a considerable shot at becoming President. The real answer of course is "I have no fucking idea."
 
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Hate is a good motivator so even as a Trump supporter i basically cant see how Trump can win this and its not because of anything he has done nope, but because of politically illiterate people who never smelled a lie farted out of a random democrat asshole they didn't pretend smelled like a rose garden.
Reminder you still have lots of people believing trump is a russian agent, completely blinded by hate and conspiracies.
Obvious bullshit Conspiracies spread on a global scale 24/7 for years by media which then used the democrats propaganda cattle/base to spread it even more on social media.
3 years of constant hate pumped into minds meant even if you showered them with prove which has been done continuously every step of the way, they only choose to continuously ignored it.
Their entire hate for Trump was and is basically based on lies they CHOOSE to believe despite the mountain of contrary evidence.
Cant just switch off feelings of hate nourished not for weeks, or months but for YEARS... facts be damned.
If Trump somehow manages to win again its basically a second historic win.
One thing that Trump has on his side statistically is that in the entire history of our country, there have been only 10 instances when an incumbent president has lost reelection, and only 5 since 1900.
 
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If any Democrat wins, I hope its him, because then the establishment will have been burned down twice in as many elections; once on the right and once on the left. It would be a good start for reshuffling the deck.
*shuffles deck*
*draws card*

"Oh fuck, not the 1932 Germany card!" :messenger_fearful:

As someone who is an American and spends a considerable amount of time amongst white rural laborers (Trump's strongest voting bloc) who don't vote in polls and don't care what the polls say and I hear them talking about their lives, their issues, their gripes with the political system, I gotta say that if Bernie does get the nom he'll get a considerable shot at becoming President. The real answer of course is "I have no fucking idea."
Fair enough! I'd say Presidential elections are usually won at such close % margins that this is always a fair read, regardless of outcome.
 
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If it truly came down to Bernie vs Trump then in my opinion it would come down to "People who think we can be better" vs "People who think we need to settle" and that in my opinion is going to be a decisive statement on America as a whole going forward. If we as a country are ignorant and gullible enough to elect Trump to a second term then we deserve every bit of ridicule and hate that the the world sends our way. We also deserve the economic and diplomatic fallout that will follow as a result of such an outcome.



However if Bernie were to win in this hypothetical scenario then I believe that would send a "Yeah we know shit is fucking broken, but we are trying to fix it" message to the rest of the world. And that to me would lay the groundwork for proper international cooperation on a variety of issues. Not this pissing match bullshit that Trump insists on implementing across the globe.
 

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If it truly came down to Bernie vs Trump then in my opinion it would come down to "People who think we can be better" vs "People who think we need to settle" and that in my opinion is going to be a decisive statement on America as a whole going forward. If we as a country are ignorant and gullible enough to elect Trump to a second term then we deserve every bit of ridicule and hate that the the world sends our way. We also deserve the economic and diplomatic fallout that will follow as a result of such an outcome.



However if Bernie were to win in this hypothetical scenario then I believe that would send a "Yeah we know shit is fucking broken, but we are trying to fix it" message to the rest of the world. And that to me would lay the groundwork for proper international cooperation on a variety of issues. Not this pissing match bullshit that Trump insists on implementing across the globe.
I think the biggest problem for you is that your definition of "doing better" is different than mine. I'm definitely better off now than I was four years ago. It would appear most of the country is based on sentiment and unemployment rates. I was looking at Bernie Sanders' web page:


I would be taking home $5624 less per year under a Sanders administration and would be without my existing health care plan through Blue Cross/Shield which I love. How would I be doing better under President Sanders again?

As for the rest of your international doom and gloom/payback fantasy, your side has been promising that since the day he took office and it hasn't happened. Keep on keeping on, brother.
 
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If it truly came down to Bernie vs Trump then in my opinion it would come down to "People who think we can be better" vs "People who think we need to settle" and that in my opinion is going to be a decisive statement on America as a whole going forward. If we as a country are ignorant and gullible enough to elect Trump to a second term then we deserve every bit of ridicule and hate that the the world sends our way. We also deserve the economic and diplomatic fallout that will follow as a result of such an outcome.



However if Bernie were to win in this hypothetical scenario then I believe that would send a "Yeah we know shit is fucking broken, but we are trying to fix it" message to the rest of the world. And that to me would lay the groundwork for proper international cooperation on a variety of issues. Not this pissing match bullshit that Trump insists on implementing across the globe.
Where and what is Trump settling on?

he wants to fix this horrible state we are in when it comes to medical insurance. But that ain’t easy and one man can’t fix that. It’s all these people out there (perhaps like you) who go to the doctors for every little thing which raise all the premiums and costs for people like me.
Bernie can’t fix that with universal healthcare! That’ll make it worse
 

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Ummmm what?
I guess ya need a lesson

here it goes, ignoranus

How can he be exaggerating when the stock market literally breaks records every - single - day?
How can he be exaggerating when the unemployment rate is the lowest it’s ever been in our history

is he exaggerating?
no

is he bragging?
Yup

You're just upset because he’s bragging and “he wasn’t supposed to beat Hillary!” (While pouting)

Think before ya reply, and maybe I’ll read it
 
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How would I be doing better under President Sanders again?
Depending on someone’s situation (like yours) you may or may not be doing better.

democrats have never said everything will be status quo where the only diff is everyone have some kind of universal care.

the idea is that healthcare gets balanced out somewhat where poor people get more healthcare, while richer people still get it but will pay more to cover poor people. And since taxes go up for people like you everyone is enticed to do gov plan because it doesn’t make sense for you to pay more for gov healthcare and also double dip paying blue cross for more services. So you’ll likely ditch blue cross and go wit the gov plan like poor people.

to be fair at least Bernie tax site shows it. Warrens idea of paying everything off is her magical get billionaires to pay 2 cents per dollar and that somehow pays for everything.

However, like all politicians on stage they never say how taxes will grill the avg common person.
 
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What happens? Probably something very similar to the most recent UK election.

I don't think most people want to gamble on socialist policies, especially if the economy is actually doing very well for them.
 
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I'd imagine the left and right would vote upon party lines. It would be us undecided voters that put the most rational candidate ahead.