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More than likely it's Bernie vs Trump? Who wins in all likelihood?

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I'd imagine the left and right would vote upon party lines. It would be us undecided voters that put the most rational candidate ahead.
Undecideds and moderates.

I see politics as a 5 pt scale. A 1 is a hardcore socialist SJW. A 5 is a hardcore confederate flag waving Scrooge.

The vast majority of people 2, 3, 4.

the media tries to make every person in the world skews hard to one side for clickbait articles so they can get their shitty 2 cent click revenue per user so they pay that freelancer writing shit in their basement their $80 fee

if Dems nominate Bernie they will lose. There’s more votes collectively among the moderate candidates and a lot more moderate voters.

and the US is the country out of all western rich countries where people are more about capitalism and doing your own shit than let’s say Germany ora Scandinavian country with heavy taxes and safety nets.

If Bernie gets the nod there will be more moderate lefts shifting Trump, then Trump supporters shifting Bernie.
 
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Undecideds and moderates.

I see politics as a 5 pt scale. A 1 is a hardcore socialist SJW. A 5 is a hardcore confederate flag waving Scrooge.

The vast majority of people 2, 3, 4.

the media tries to make every person in the world skews hard to one side for clickbait articles so they can get their shitty 2 cent click revenue per user so they pay that freelancer writing shit in their basement their $80 fee

if Dems nominate Bernie they will lose. There’s more votes collectively among the moderate candidates and a lot more moderate voters.

If Bernie gets the nod there will be more moderate lefts shifting Trump, then Trump supporters shifting Bernie.

What we have is the~ ~3 vote left and the 4~~vote right.

Although, I'm being a bit pedantic.

The 2~ and ~4 make the difference.
 
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I think Bernie has a better chance against Trump than any of the other democratic candidates, but Trump is not to be underestimated.
 
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Depending on someone’s situation (like yours) you may or may not be doing better.

democrats have never said everything will be status quo where the only diff is everyone have some kind of universal care.

the idea is that healthcare gets balanced out somewhat where poor people get more healthcare, while richer people still get it but will pay more to cover poor people. And since taxes go up for people like you everyone is enticed to do gov plan because it doesn’t make sense for you to pay more for gov healthcare and also double dip paying blue cross for more services. So you’ll likely ditch blue cross and go wit the gov plan like poor people.

to be fair at least Bernie tax site shows it. Warrens idea of paying everything off is her magical get billionaires to pay 2 cents per dollar and that somehow pays for everything.

However, like all politicians on stage they never say how taxes will grill the avg common person.
What's scary is that he hasn't even included any kind of tax plan for the Green New Deal stuff he wants to do, so it's literally gonna be taxes, taxes, and more taxes. I don't think a candidate can run on raising taxes and win, but we'll see.
 

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If Bernie can get that young-hype, like he did that first time around, he'll win. But he won't, so he'll lose.
Trump beat Hillary. Hillary was as sure of a win as humanly possible, and she still lost.

The only possible chance Trump has of losing is if the electoral college decides to shit on him, which isn't going to happen, since he's the sure win.
But, then again, the electoral college is extremely broken and corrupt, as demonstrated by the past handful of elections.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Trump win. He'll probably get the popular vote too.
But I also wouldn't be surprised to see Bernie, or any other democrat win, either, because the electoral college may just want to fuck up Trump's streak.



Basically, no matter who wins, we lose.
 

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Live look at Putin's reaction to Bernie vs Trump. . .
a) Democrats making a crazy socialist who spouts nonsense every time he speaks as their front runner.
b) Republicans making President Ignormaus as their King.

Thanks America for killing Democracy. Either way the next 4 years is going to be great . . . for Russia. Hopefully, America will learn something from this mess.
 

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Live look at Putin's reaction to Bernie vs Trump. . .
a) Democrats making a crazy socialist who spouts nonsense every time he speaks as their front runner.
b) Republicans making President Ignormaus as their King.

Thanks America for killing Democracy. Either way the next 4 years is going to be great . . . for Russia. Hopefully, America will learn something from this mess.
muh russia collusion truther dude its like you have no brain at all lmao do you even know that russia economically speaking is a shit house? No? Shocker, china is a big deal russia isnt even a afterthought.
 
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Ornlu

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Live look at Putin's reaction to Bernie vs Trump. . .
a) Democrats making a crazy socialist who spouts nonsense every time he speaks as their front runner.
b) Republicans making President Ignormaus as their King.

Thanks America for killing Democracy. Either way the next 4 years is going to be great . . . for Russia. Hopefully, America will learn something from this mess.
Who gives a shit about Russia?
 

Miku Miku

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Undecideds and moderates.

if Dems nominate Bernie they will lose. There’s more votes collectively among the moderate candidates and a lot more moderate voters.

If Bernie gets the nod there will be more moderate lefts shifting Trump, then Trump supporters shifting Bernie.
In polling, Bernie polls highest among independents. Independents arent the same thing as moderates, but they are traditionally important to winning an election.

As you said, it's more of a question of registered dems who are "moderate," Clinton dems staying with Bernie. Some will definitely defect. Not sure how many though. They may be persuaded if he actually gets the nomination.
 

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The entire election is going to come down to the Mid-East. PA, MI, OH, and WI will flat out determine this entire election. No one else matters.

Bernie's strength with union workers is going to be on point, his antithesis to coal workers is going to be another issue.

Trump has been friendly to coal workers, but have they seen benefits? No, they really haven't. Steel is heading into a downturn as well, despite the assist they got from the Trump administration.

Before the "Green New Deal" I had strongly advocated for a "Green New Deal", not done in the same AOC way that it was announced, since about 2013, but I think that's an important component to any Democratic strategy. It has to support the workers in the fossil fuel industry to a really significant extent. So, I think whoever ends up being more populist in favoring these states will win the presidency, assuming, of course, there is no foreign or terrorist action against the United States.

I also want to say that in primaries so far, Pete B +Amy K destroy the most Left coalition of Sanders +Warren.
 
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I think it is more likely that Sanders wins over Trump under the assumption that Sanders wins the nomination than that Sanders wins the nomination. Even if he gets the most votes in every caucus and every primary, he will not get the 50% needed to prvent the super delegates from having a say.
Please see the Election of 1972
 

A Regular Guy

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In polling, Bernie polls highest among independents. Independents arent the same thing as moderates, but they are traditionally important to winning an election.

As you said, it's more of a question of registered dems who are "moderate," Clinton dems staying with Bernie. Some will definitely defect. Not sure how many though. They may be persuaded if he actually gets the nomination.
Please see the election of 1972, it will be a giant repeat
 

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Please see the election of 1972, it will be a giant repeat
But also see the Dem primaries of 1992. People look at that field and called them the "seven dwarfs" and lamented that nobody could beat Bush. We all saw how that dwarf Bill Clinton, a mostly unknown governor already mired in sex scandals, pulled it off (with an assist from Perot.) Whoever the dems end up going with, the MSM is going to try to meme them into an amazing and dynamic hero against a fascist dictator.

Also, there are no 49 state landslides possible in this polarized country. Some of the states would stay blue if they nominated fucking Stalin.
 

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You mean Trump may spy with illegal means on the dems and finally get successfully impeached next cycle?
Doesn't matter, Democrats thought that having a left progressive would be the one to beat Nixon, but it turned out with a strong economy, Nixon won, decimating the Dems. Even if you have Bernie as your front runner, a guy that the Progressives like and young college students, he'll be going against Trump that has an already strong Economy on his side. You wonder why majority of the dems are scared, because they know history will repeat itself and have NO CHANCE IN HELL, to beat Trump
 
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The entire election is going to come down to the Mid-East. PA, MI, OH, and WI will flat out determine this entire election. No one else matters.

Bernie's strength with union workers is going to be on point, his antithesis to coal workers is going to be another issue.

Trump has been friendly to coal workers, but have they seen benefits? No, they really haven't. Steel is heading into a downturn as well, despite the assist they got from the Trump administration.

Before the "Green New Deal" I had strongly advocated for a "Green New Deal", not done in the same AOC way that it was announced, since about 2013, but I think that's an important component to any Democratic strategy. It has to support the workers in the fossil fuel industry to a really significant extent. So, I think whoever ends up being more populist in favoring these states will win the presidency, assuming, of course, there is no foreign or terrorist action against the United States.

I also want to say that in primaries so far, Pete B +Amy K destroy the most Left coalition of Sanders +Warren.
The same union workers that were supposed to vote for Hillary? the same union workers that are very anti open borders? The same unions that are currently criticizing Bernies healthcare plan?
 
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The same union workers that were supposed to vote for Hillary? the same union workers that are very anti open borders? The same unions that are currently criticizing Bernies healthcare plan?
Yes, the same workers Hillary ignored by not even bothering to visit states like Wisconsin. I'm not making a prediction, I'm telling you who matters in this election.
 

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Probably Trump. Still have my doubts Sanders even gets the dem nomination once the amount of candidates start to widdle down and or DNC shenanigans. But I could be wrong.
 

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Doesn't matter, Democrats thought that having a left progressive would be the one to beat Nixon, but it turned out with a strong economy, Nixon won, decimating the Dems. Even if you have Bernie as your front runner, a guy that the Progressives like and young college students, he'll be going against Trump that has an already strong Economy on his side. You wonder why majority of the dems are scared, because they know history will repeat itself and have NO CHANCE IN HELL, to beat Trump
If history repeats itself then trump resigns in shame. That's the other part of the Nixon legacy. This isn't what I'd quote. Especially with Nixon being a far greater tactician then trump.

Plus his advertising was suspect. They can't lick our dick! In retrospective that's gay me too just say no.
 

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Doesn't matter, Democrats thought that having a left progressive would be the one to beat Nixon, but it turned out with a strong economy, Nixon won, decimating the Dems. Even if you have Bernie as your front runner, a guy that the Progressives like and young college students, he'll be going against Trump that has an already strong Economy on his side. You wonder why majority of the dems are scared, because they know history will repeat itself and have NO CHANCE IN HELL, to beat Trump
 

A Regular Guy

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If history repeats itself then trump resigns in shame. That's the other part of the Nixon legacy. This isn't what I'd quote. Especially with Nixon being a far greater tactician then trump.

Plus his advertising was suspect. They can't lick our dick! In retrospective that's gay me too just say no.
That's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying that Trump has everything to win 2020 like Nixon did in 1972. Democrats have nothing and trying to prevent and embarrassing lost before. I never said anything like Watergate would happen.
 

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If Hillary is chosen as his running mate I'd expect him to win. And then be suicided shortly thereafter.
 
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Dontero

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Bernie. Because like Trump he is seen as being against establishment.
Trump had his chance but he fucked it up.
 

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I can see tiny echoes of the recent UK General Election if it ends up Trump vs Sanders. Bernie will go all out with his policies, and Trump will frame them as being mostly pie in the sky.

One of the UK Labour Party's biggest issues (apart from Jeremy Corbyn and the party's stance on Brexit) was that their policies were seen as unrealistic and too radical.

That might be very crucial in battleground states.