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[GuntherBait]

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-183&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE

Under $300 bucks (by a dollar) but still worth it.

Just thought I'd let you guys know.

 

[Slo]

These are the ones that are getting bitchslapped by the AMD64 chips that have been out for 6+ months, right?

 

[tedtropy]

Pfft, you can get a good motherboard (nForce2 chipset) AND a very overclockable AMD Athlon (the 2500 will overclock to over 3000 specs with STOCK cooling) for $100 if you look around and build a perfectly respectable gaming rig with it. 300 bucks for a processor? Pfft, pfft I say...

 

[GuntherBait]

Pfft, you can get a good motherboard AND a very overclockable AMD Athlon for $100 if you look around and build a perfectly respectable gaming rig with it. 300 bucks for a processor? Pfft, pfft I say...

Yeah... I'll run my 3.2 Intel chip Vs your AMD 64... and then lets take off the heatsinks and see how 3DMark03 runs.

 

[Slo]

You first.

 

[tedtropy]

Yeah... I'll run my 3.2 Intel chip Vs your AMD 64... and then lets take off the heatsinks and see how 3DMark03 runs.

Sorry, I'm too busy 'running' to the bank with all that extra money I saved. That's right, I went there.

 

[Sander]

Worth it? Overclocking lock (although mobo makers seem to circumvent it, Intel is still assholish for implementing it) and insane amount of heat...pfft. I love my current Intel but I'm definately buying AMD this time.

Look at that power consumption (thus heat) compared to the A64: http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040619/socket_775-49.html

And wow, their performance sure is great! http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20040619/socket_775-40.html

Ha!

 

[Shogmaster]

Yeah... I'll run my 3.2 Intel chip Vs your AMD 64... and then lets take off the heatsinks and see how 3DMark03 runs.

Uhhh.... Dude.... This is no longer the days of Willamette/Tualatin vs Thunderbird. Both of your chips will fry without the heatsinks.

 

[Bregor]

Yeah... I'll run my 3.2 Intel chip Vs your AMD 64... and then lets take off the heatsinks and see how 3DMark03 runs.

Yours will run worse. The Prescotts are notorious for being very, very, hot. Athlons have been cooler than Pentiums for over a year now.

 

[GuntherBait]

Yours will run worse. The Prescotts are notorious for being very, very, hot. Athlons have been cooler than Pentiums for over a year now.

Have you guys actually done it or are you just regurgitating stuff you've heard?

Intel's chips clocks itself down and will still run or power off if it can't handle the load. The A64.... well, you'll smell popcorn.

 

[tedtropy]

Yours will run worse. The Prescotts are notorious for being very, very, hot. Athlons have been cooler than Pentiums for over a year now.

Agreed. I have yet to see my Athlon 2500 go over 130F, and this is with it overclocked to 3200 levels with a stock heatsink/fan. I use a Cooler Master case with good airflow and a minimal amount of noise. Yeah, once upon a time, AMD's chips ran notoriously hot. My Slot A 900MHz Athlon could heat an unfortunate third-world nation, but that's really not the case anymore.

 

[sc0la]

What kind of bizzarre pissing contest is this? Why would you ever want to even tihink about using your CPU without the heatsink?

Its like letting all the oil out of your cars and seeing which one of you starts spitting smoke first.

 

[Nos_G]

Actually the A64 will also clock down and turn itself off...

I saw it done on some french pc site video...

 

[GuntherBait]

Actually the A64 will also clock down and turn itself off...

I saw it done on some french pc site video...

Link you amish bastard.

 

[Shogmaster]

Have you guys actually done it or are you just regurgitating stuff you've heard?

Intel's chips clocks itself down and will still run or power off if it can't handle the load. The A64.... well, you'll smell popcorn.

Actually, new A64s has similar power down features PLUS more. It reduces power consumption when there no demand also. Great for those like me that have 400+W power supplies and suffer with no air conditioning. Alas, I don't have A64.

 

[GuntherBait]

Actually, new A64s has similar power down features PLUS more. It reduces power consumption when there no demand also. Great for those like me that have 400+W power supplies and suffer with no air conditioning. Alas, I don't have A64.

And what do you have sir?

 

[pestul]

A64s>>>>>>>>Prescott P4s

 

[Shogmaster]

And what do you have sir?

A 1Ghz Coppermine, a 1.8Ghz Thoroughbred, a 1.9Ghz Barton, and a 3Ghz Northwood.

 

[Lil' Dice]

I love Athlon processors. It's like paying half price for a hooker that looks just as good as the next guy's....Then going home to find out she's really a porn star, and your fuck session has been secretly recorded, and is floating around the porn industry; and all of a sudden you're being hailed as the new Ron Jeremy!!!!

 

[GuntherBait]

A 1Ghz Coppermine, a 1.8Ghz Thoroughbred, a 1.9Ghz Barton, and a 3Ghz Northwood.

Suck. I almost got a Prescott 3.2 478 pin but I figured holding off till the 64-Bit Intel chips would be worth the wait.


Oh and to who ever changed my tag.... genious.

 

[GuntherBait]

Oh and I might add, working at Intel, I probably have a bias.

2ndly, I don't mind A64 chips, I just don't think their worth my money.

This board always seems to get bent out of shape when anyone says Intel is better than AMD and try on a holy rampage to prove them wrong on one degree or another.

The main point of this thread was to let anyone who wanted to check out the new Intel chips, a chance.

nuff said.

 

[Shogmaster]

Oh and I might add, working at Intel, I probably have a bias.

Could have never guessed.

 

[sonycowboy]

Isn't their some new controversy with the new pentium chips?

I thought I remember reading somewhere that they've hit a thermal barrier with their current design and that their newest chips are actually slower.

 

[Slo]

*backpeddle* *backpeddle* *backpeddle*

 

[Shogmaster]

Isn't their some new controversy with the new pentium chips?

I thought I remember reading somewhere that they've hit a thermal barrier with their current design and that their newest chips are actually slower.

Huge controversy. Basically the geek consensus is that Intel guessed wrong by pursuing clockspeed over instructions per clock. No one figured this huge brick wall at .065 micron to exist. Leakage galore for everyone.

Next big Intel chips are supposedly AMD Hammer like in that they are 64bit X86 compatibles based on Banias/Dothan-eque lower clock/shorter pipeline/higher IPC design.

 

[GuntherBait]

*backpeddle* *backpeddle* *backpeddle*

Bleh....

 

[DopeyFish]

*looks at p4 produing 20C heat with stock fan*

 

[Nos_G]

Link you amish bastard.

I looked for it again, but it's pretty hard to find something you saw 4 months ago on the internet...

If I ever come across it, I shall link asap.

 

[Lil' Dice]

I have the ability to compare Intel to Athlon chips every day. I hava a P4 at work, and an Athlon 2001XP at home, and my home system is by far more stable than the one at work.
Photoshop also runs much better at home, i use the program pretty much all day at work, and i'm forced to constantly shut down the program because of it freezing on me.

 

[Nos_G]

Well I found a review that reinforces the fact... still no video..

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-3200_3.html

Just scroll down near the bottom paragraph.

 

[ravingloon]

*looks at p4 produing 20C heat with stock fan*

68 degrees? No amount of magic is gonna get something below room temperature (Including fans which simply blow room temperature air around), so that's a pretty irrelevant number for most people.

 

[Teknopathetic]

Hell, while we're just throwing numbers around, my Athlon XP 1900+ gets 32C with stock cooling.

 

[Nos_G]

My A64 3200+ get about 27C on stock.... 36C under gaming load.

Screw it, I'm not going to sift through anymore french sites.

 

[Arcticfox]

Using Cool'n'Quiet an Athlon 64 processor can underclock itself to 800MHz at 1.3V which should be able to be passively cooled, though you probably still need a heatsink. Although I can't state this as a fact (since I don't have an Athlon 64 processor), it should shut itself off before it gets hot enough to break, seeing as my roommates old Athlon XP shut itself off when it got too hot after an improper heatsink installation.