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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Seriously, great job and my heartiest congrats to all parties involved. Series is an incredible turnaround compared to Xbox One.
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MS/Xbox Earnings Call for Q1 2022 (Calendar Year)
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Seriously, great job and my heartiest congrats to all parties involved. Series is an incredible turnaround compared to Xbox One.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Xbox doing great. Well, MS as a whole is. $16.7B profit.
After hours the stock is up too.
277.08 +6.86 (+2.54%)
After hours: 6:00PM EDT
After hours the stock is up too.
277.08 +6.86 (+2.54%)
After hours: 6:00PM EDT
nominedomine
Banned
Lmao, so much for hardware sales not mattering. I knew they would shout it out at the first opportunity when things were in their favor, it just took a few years for them to be able to do so.
Lets not even mention that he is ignoring the Switch and "beating" a competitor that is sold out.
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Riky
$MSFT
Don't pretend to be an idiot. You perfectly understand what I'm talking about.
The income tab says growth from Gamepass and money from their 1p games.
I remind you, especially for you, that Gamepass is on PC, and Microsoft games (Bethesda) are also on PC.
And all the Xbox games, at this point in time, except for MSFT, GhostWire, Deathloop, are on the good old Xbox one.
If I wanted to be a clown like you, I could generally write that the growth of the Xbox is due to the high sales of the last two Bethesda games on Ps5, but this has nothing to do with reality, so I will not
Resorting to insult territory already, poor show son.
I'm a Gamepass Ultimate subscriber, that spreads across both Xbox and PC owners, we don't know how many just subscribe to PC only, if you do please share the figure.
I got Deathloop on PS5 as well, happy to buy high scoring product that funds further output.
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Faithless83
Banned
Ok, let's use our brains for a moment:
Xbox hardware is sold at a loss.
Gamepass is sustainable.
First party will be day one on Gamepass.
Do I need to go on?
It's growing, remember, they were still losing 2:1 to PS5 by the end of last year.
Growth is growth, period, yet no sales numbers, just percentages.
I'm not trolling, think about it, every game at release and likely retroactively to first parties, this is a lot more useful (to me), than gamepass (which I also have due to my 3 years extension of gold for 1$).
Ehh. Nope.
Microsoft provides profits for a company as a whole and they made 20 billion last quarter in profits alone.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Not mattering is not the same as them not revealing hardware numbers. They haven't done that for almost a decade, including this quarter.
I .. I honestly don't know what posts like yours are trying to accomplish.
Seriously man, tone the console war rhetoric down a notch.
nominedomine
Banned
Selling at a loss doesn't negatively impact revenue, it impacts profit.
You are the one who seem too concerned about console wars. Why would I censor my opinion? So that Xbox fans don't feel personally offended? I was under the impression this was a place of discussion. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, so what? I'm being sincere at least, I'm not trolling or anything.
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It's embarrassing.
No dear
I was responding to your bullshit about xbox having a smaller user base than the xbox 360 right now, which is blatantly gibberish considering exactly what positions Microsoft refers to as growth factors
Riky
$MSFT
This is before the real next gen only first party deluge has begun, Starfield will just be the beginning.
Goalus
Member
You seem to be quite upset.
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One company is yelling on twitter that they have sold more
Another company will provide concrete figures on May 10
How many consoles did they sell
That's the difference
nominedomine
Banned
Quite the opposite if you need to know. I don't like this subscription/cloud future so it doesn't bother me that it isn't going nearly as well as people expected.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Who ever said this?
Goalus
Member
It's none of anyone's business.One company is yelling on twitter that they have sold more
Another company will provide concrete figures on May 10
How many consoles did they sell
That's the difference
If Sony wants to provide their competitors with detailed numbers on how they are doing, more power to them.
No negative. But, I'm really interested. What will happen to Xbox hardware when Starfield comes out?
nominedomine
Banned
MS multiple times and Xbox fans. That was the excuse they came up to stop showing the numbers, but now that it suits them, for the briefest of moments, it became a relevant metric again.
edit: Can't post on this topic anymore. I'm out.
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Deerock71
Member
Faithless83
Banned
I suggest you to look at the definitions of profit, revenue and business.
Chukhopops
Member
It's been known since the Epic vs Apple trial that MS gaming division is profitable, back in 2019 it made between 1.6 and 2.2bn USD in profit. It was in literal court documents.
And their revenue has only grown since then. Just let it go.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Playstation hardware sales are a key metric for Sony's financial picture as a whole because the division is so important.One company is yelling on twitter that they have sold more
Another company will provide concrete figures on May 10
How many consoles did they sell
That's the difference
That's the only reason they release figures to investors. Same reason they give these investors an outloook picture ahead of time of expected sales.
MS investors aren't clamoring for Xbox hardware sales numbers.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Whelp, I guess that massive stock dump was a one time thing and not recurring going by this info now.
Disappointing.
This is an excuse
For Sony, first of all, sales of games are important, no matter their own or third-party, as well as for Microsoft
In Sony's reports, everything is literally painted down to a specific figure.
There are some abstract percentages in Microsoft reports.
Jaybe
Member
It would be interesting to know why they are forecasting lower content engagement year-over-year for CYQ2. Lack of third-party releases? Was LY a peak with Covid lockdowns, that are largely non-existent now? No _big_ Game Pass releases planned?
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Now imagine Starfield & ABK deal close
For one company console sales is a lifeline and for another it is just a line in the sheet.One company is yelling on twitter that they have sold more
Another company will provide concrete figures on May 10
How many consoles did they sell
That's the difference
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Faithless83
Banned
Revenue has grown but profit hasn't? Consider the gamepass push and how it isn't profitable still?
Add that up with the acquisitions and how games will be developed to be released on day one on Gamepass.
Development isn't free.
With The new ps plus, things will heat up quite a bit.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The only references I can find are from May of last year.
Microsoft Admits Xbox Has Sold Every Console At A Loss
Xbox sells its consoles at a loss.
screenrant.com
But realistically I don't expect this to have changed over a year.
SoloKingRobert
Banned
Microsoft wants to all of a sudden start talking about earnings again. Wonder what's changed?
Craig of War
Banned
Riky
$MSFT
The only references I can find are from May of last year.
Microsoft Admits Xbox Has Sold Every Console At A Loss
Xbox sells its consoles at a loss.
But realistically I don't expect this to have changed over a year.
I don't know, that article said then that it costs as much to make as PS5 and they have managed to get the disc version profitable at the same sales price. It might be a possibility.
I would presume Series S is still a loss leader.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Not true at all; Sony bundles some things together in ways that obfuscate what the individual items sell/how they are performing. Sony also has many divisions and they don't all release the same level of detail.
What makes you think MS needs any excuses to not release numbers anyways? They are bound to investors; the figures they release literally exist for investors to digest and no other reasons.
If the numbers were insanely high, would MS change their mind? Maybe... but they still really don't need to nor are investors asking for it.
Only fanboys give 2 shits about this crap.
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Chukhopops
Member
Nobody outside MS knows the current profit of the gaming division, but it was profitable in 2019 and its revenue has increased by around 30% total since that point. They're not losing money.
External acquisition costs don't go into a company's P&L so the only impact of the acquisition in the profit structure would be the increased operational costs, but since both Bethesda and AB were profitable themselves their revenue is significantly larger than their costs.
I don't know what you're trying to say about the new PSPlus, both services have been growing in the past so I don't see why they would suddenly cannibalize each other.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Why are you out?
No links?
Phil Spencer never actually said that, nor did anyone at MS. They said that hardware isn't the only thing their business is depending on.
You are right in that some Xbox fanboys turned this into "hardware sales don't matter" but it was always nonsense.
Xbox hardware is still MS's gaming bread and butter, they would much rather you buy an Xbox than not.. as the Xbox is a digital storefront where every dollar spet nets them at least a 30% cut. And they never said otherwise.
But their business really did shift beyond that.. a bigger focus on PC than before.. a focus on services.. so as far as the overall financial picture of Xbox? It is less dependent on hardware than before.
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because he doesn't understand the item growth combines with a percentage and compared yoy probably
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Hezekiah
Banned
They could release any number of exclusives and still refuse to give hardware and software numbers.
Hezekiah
Banned
Lol tbf in the case of Halo the effect appears to be much lower than desired due to the lack of content, and the general dissonance between fans and 343i.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Not really. One is try before you buy, the other is play the full game and never buy if you don't want to.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Great thing about MS is no matter how good or bad Xbox/gaming is to their overall financials, they dont seem to care one bit.
Xbox has probably been their worst performing product line for profits since Xbox OG 20 years ago. Yet MS is at record profits again growing at around 10%/yr which is insane.
So whatever shitty profits or net loss Xbox does to MS, their $16.7 billion quarterly profit already has that baked into it.
Xbox has probably been their worst performing product line for profits since Xbox OG 20 years ago. Yet MS is at record profits again growing at around 10%/yr which is insane.
So whatever shitty profits or net loss Xbox does to MS, their $16.7 billion quarterly profit already has that baked into it.
It can be said that it is the only bad news.
It seems that they will not be able to maintain the same amount of XSeries for sale in the coming months. Although, due to their expectations of decline, it seems that the lack of stock will not be as serious as it was months ago.
I don't know, maybe now there are months when the priority is to accumulate a certain amount in stores to be able to respond to the demand for Christmas and BF.
Riky
$MSFT
Not only that but putting $80 billion into gaming acquisitions with maybe more to come. They are obviously here for the long haul.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Exactly.
Some companies do, some dont.
Apple doesn't break out profits by product line either. For a company like Apple with every single product they sell being akin to shopping for Hugo Boss at giant profits where an adapter is like $40, they don't tell you how much profits Mac, iPhones or iPads. It's all lumped into one giant Products P/L. And then their "Services" whatever that involves, is a separate line.
That's it.
Apple's gazillion dollars of profits are broken down into a vague Products chart and Services chart.
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
It seems like 2 quarters Sony has more stock following by 2 quarters of Xbox...
I mean Sony can't possibly have less than 2M for April / June right....?
We'll see what Sony has to say
Faithless83
Banned
Consumer base.
I know a few people that jumped ship because of gamepass and are now looking to jump back to PS.
One is selected games, the other is every full priced game at launch (not just first party ones). It's a lot more useful (to me) than gamepass.
Hezekiah
Banned
Except Microsoft used to.
Then things went less well for them and they decided to hide the numbers.
They took their ball and went home. OK fair enough, their preogative. But then you have a senior exec referencing VGChartz of all things
