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My best friend/roommate got overly aggressive on a work trip. How can he recover?

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Megalosaro

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He works on for a major company as a human factors engineer. that company is currently looking to increase human factors implementation in their company and he is at the forefront of that initiative.

However, he's still a contractor. He's been with the company for two years.

Today was a big day. He participated in a lot of heavy decisions. To celebrate him and a bunch of colleagues from around the country went out to dinner.

Long story short, he had too much to drink. During dinner, he got into an argument with a senior manager about implimention of policy. It escalated. Then he went full prideful big baby and said something like "if you don't like my opinions, go to my boss and tell her to fire me." and stared down the person he was talking to.

She told him to stop, he didn't. It got really awkward and everyone walked away.

So how bad of a situation is he in? How can he manage this. He's talking about how he's scared for his job and what not.
 

Gaz_RB

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He's probably pretty fucked professionally, at least at that company. I'm not sure how tight that field is though, so maybe he can jump ship elsewhere.
 

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He works on for a major company as a human factors engineer. that company is currently looking to increase human factors implementation in their company and he is at the forefront of that initiative.

However, he's still a contractor. He's been with the company for two years.

Today was a big day. He participated in a lot of heavy decisions. To celebrate him and a bunch of colleagues from around the country went out to dinner.

Long story short, he had too much to drink. During dinner, he got into an argument with a senior manager about implimention of policy. It escalated. Then he went full prideful big baby and said something like "if you don't like my opinions, go to my boss and tell her to fire me." and stared down the person he was talking to.

She told him to stop, he didn't. It got really awkward and everyone walked away.

So how bad of a situation is he in? How can he manage this. He's talking about how he's scared for his job and what not.

Maybe you should pull your friend aside, tell him to grow the fuck up and learn how to hold his liquor especially at a business dinner
 

BronsonLee

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This is most likely the kind of story that sours his work there, unfortunately. I've heard too many times of incidents where people get too drunk at work events, act a fool, and that's the tipping point.

It's on him to fix it. And he needs to.
 

Corpekata

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Unless she is an equally big jackass that also did something really stupid that she doesn't want brought up, your friend is toast.

Maybe a personal apology would help. Heck sounds like he ought to do that in general, regardless of keeping job.
 

ThisGuy

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Lol, what a fucking tool. Staring down a women?

Yeah he's getting canned and should be.
 

Aaron

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He just proved he can't act like a responsible adult in front of his superiors. If it doesn't ding him right away, it's going to color their view of him, and his own advancement prospects, for years to come.
 

CarpeDeezNutz

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Fuuuuuucccckkkkk man, that's a hard thing to recover from. How good was his rep there before his drunken outburst?


There might be a shred of hope if he at least had friends and can try to save face.
 

Megalosaro

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Fuuuuuucccckkkkk man, that's a hard thing to recover from. How good was his rep there before his drunken outburst?


There might be a shred of hope if he at least had friends and can try to save face.

He had a pretty good reputation. Some golden boy status. He just negotiated a 15$ an hour raise
 

Risible

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Fuuuuuucccckkkkk man, that's a hard thing to recover from. How good was his rep there before his drunken outburst?

There might be a shred of hope if he at least had friends and can try to save face.

I disagree, I think it's unrecoverable.

If a boss tells you to stop, and in a drunken fit you continue doing whatever it is and stare them down, then it's firin' time.

You'd have to be the CEO's nephew or something to recover from that shit.
 

entremet

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This is why you don't get drunk near coworkers.

I had a coworker describe to me the guy she lost her virginity to because she had too much beer lol.
 

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Getting too drunk and then staring down a woman...yeah...not a good look. The person he yelled at basically has his job in their hands. It depends on how motivated the person is. They might have started the process and went to the boss right away. If they take some times, they'll calm a little and it plays better for your friend. They're less upset about his outburst, gives him time to apologize.
 

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He had a pretty good reputation. Some golden boy status. He just negotiated a 15$ an hour raise

It's real tricky, I am not so sure how he did it but a friend was able to manage to keep his job after his outburst cos he had a good rep before. Unless it's a no nonsense boss.

I disagree, I think it's unrecoverable.





If a boss tells you to stop, and in a drunken fit you continue doing whatever it is and stare them down, then it's firin' time.

You'd have to be the CEO's nephew or something to recover from that shit.


Ehh I knew someone who did this exact same thing, but he had a good rep so he was able to recover but it was like his one get out of jail card.

Best case scenario is a pay cut and like years to re establish a good rep for sure.






Man, it's so heartbreaking to see someone fly so high and burn it all away on a drunken night and overblown hubris.
 

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His position and skillset have to be indispensable to the company, basically.

Even so, his professional reputation in the company has taken a hit, and it may hurt future advancement prospects.

Then again, some company cultures tolerate a huge amount of assholish & confrontational behavior as long as targets are met.
 

Megalosaro

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His position and skillset have to be indispensable to the company, basically.

Even so, his professional reputation in the company has taken a hit, and it may hurt future advancement prospects.

Then again, some company cultures tolerate a huge amount of assholish & confrontational behavior as long as targets are met.

Luckily he is in a niche field at a company that is now legally required to have a member of his field as an employee. Does that help?
 

Keri

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Luckily he is in a niche field at a company that is now legally required to have a member of his field as an employee. Does that help?

It helps in the sense that he has as long as it takes for them to find a replacement, to turn things around. He should apologize to the woman he raged against, first thing tomorrow. Also, he should mention how embarrassed and regretful he is, to anyone else who saw it.
 

SummitAve

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he should be upfront with an apology, explain he had too much to drink, and assure it will never happen again.
 
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sorry to say he's pretty much fucked professionally in that company UNLESS the boss is completely understanding and he literally falls on the floor and begs their forgiveness but nothing will ever make them forget this incident.

His best hope to save face is to apologize profusely, and ask to leave the company due to shame. If they don't attempt to keep him in seeing he is willing to sacrifice his job due to embarrassment, then chances are they wanted to get rid of him.

He might keep his job but his relationship with higher ups is fucked unless he's like the Mozart of the job he does and the best of the best. Everybody can be replaced.
 
Yikes. He might have the slimmest of chances if he personally apologizes and maybe publicly says something, as well. Aggressive behavior/ultimatums to your boss (especially in front of other people) are generally not tolerated, for good reason. Guy might consider anger management classes or something too between this thread and that other one.
 
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