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Staff NeoGAF Ban Review/Justice Project

Halo is Dead

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Don't take It too seriously. You won't get out alive
 

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Personally, I could care less about storming the capitol in itself. I'm not condoning it. You won't see me there, or at any protest. However, after the years of protesting for leftist causes, destroying cities, looting, and hurting/killing far more people, who's to say this one was the worst? What is bad is the violence. Beating that officer to death is beyond reprehensible. The angry mob mentality is a cancer. As are any of the other acts of violence.

There's little consistency anymore. Cops are bad unless they are enforcing your cause. Riots are wrong unless they are for your cause. The big difference though is that the media and narratives heavily favor anything left. Trump never said to kill and pillage. I can find a lot more Democratic leadership who has inspired much worse. I can find a lot more leftist riot violence. You can judge everyone on the right by a handful. You are never allowed to judge anyone on the left by their handfuls. Don't follow that load of shit that Trump is the one causing division.



If it's not an unreasonable request for mods or whoever pulled the trigger, could we get an expanded explanation on this ban? Is there a specific section of the post you can bold and expand on the reason for why it's unnacceptable? If the answer is "all of it", that leaves me, well...

 

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Sounds like he didn't want to do it himself? Idk

That's my assumption of what he meant, but I guess the wording could lead to a different interpretation. Requires clarification.

This is the type of thing where if someone constantly words things around the same subject the wrong way by "accident", then it's more obvious that they're trying to skirt around the rules.
 
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"Personally, I could care less about storming the capitol in itself."

Followed by “I'm not condoning it. You won't see me there, or at any protest.” and later “What is bad is the violence. Beating that officer to death is beyond reprehensible. The angry mob mentality is a cancer. As are any of the other acts of violence.” Given that AOC had previously organised a climate protest that stormed Pelosi’s office but stayed non-violent, Mario’s post reads to me as though he is opposed to the violence but pointing out that no one cared about previous non-violent stormings. I’m with the others - I think it warrants clarification given that the rest of his post is spent condemning violence. I understand what is happening, and more importantly why, but I think we should also be concerned about people getting caught in the crossfire.
 

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There's little ambiguity to his position.

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Yea, the symbolic difference is storming the capitol is actually a protest, regardless of anyone's approval of it. Whereas looting and destroying your city is no longer protest and is straight terrorism. You don't need to wait for the lying MSM to slap a label on it to know that.



Keep thinking BLM was fighting the good fight. Just recently Kenosha was proven to be yet another race-baiting lie. They're all lies. It is straight-up terrorism.

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Fuck all of the self-righteous bullshit. Especially after we watched our cities, our homes, our businesses, our tax dollars, all burned to the ground and looted. Now we are to believe this is worse. The double-standard is unreal and one of many reasons why people are so mad. You want "evidence" the evidence didn't deter all of the hateful rhetoric that fueled BLM protests. George Floyd = evidence. This election = no evidence.

Not that I am a protest guy. Most people there are idiots anyways. Talk about symbolic when all of the politicians are scared for their lives in the chambers. It gives them a reminder of who they work for. Not themselves. What is the symbolism of people destroying their own cities?

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The establishment has won this round. In pretty spectacular fashion.

What I learned is that yesterday was the most reprehensible thing that could have been done. Breaking into an office, sitting in a chair, taking a podium, expressing your thoughts, and attacking no one, is terrorism. They deserve to be shot by the police. People have no right to be fed up with a government that they believe does not represent them.

The riots at BLMANTIFA were far different. Justified, and for a good cause. Those people had every right to destroy entire cities, police cars, small businesses, homes, livelihoods, hurt, and kill others. They were seeking justice for criminals who received (justified) harm from lone police officers.

The establishment has not won simply because Biden will sit in office. They have won because too many people legitimately believe the words I just said. I'm not here to go down some rabbit hole argument of who was right and wrong. I'm just here to tell you that you are full of shit.
 

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Followed by “I'm not condoning it. You won't see me there, or at any protest.” and later “What is bad is the violence. Beating that officer to death is beyond reprehensible. The angry mob mentality is a cancer. As are any of the other acts of violence.” Given that AOC had previously organised a climate protest that stormed Pelosi’s office but stayed non-violent, Mario’s post reads to me as though he is opposed to the violence but pointing out that no one cared about previous non-violent stormings. I’m with the others - I think it warrants clarification given that the rest of his post is spent condemning violence. I understand what is happening, and more importantly why, but I think we should also be concerned about people getting caught in the crossfire.

To be fair, if you watch that video and your first reaction is to go on a BUT THE LEFT rant then you need to reassess a lot of your life choices.
 

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To be fair, if you watch that video and your first reaction is to go on a BUT THE LEFT rant then you need to reassess a lot of your life choices.

I think that anyone engaging in violence at the Capitol should be prosecuted. I also think that double standards are relevant to the discussion. Handwaving, throwing out “whataboutism”, or otherwise ignoring them will not bring healing and unity.
 

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I think that anyone engaging in violence at the Capitol should be prosecuted. I also think that double standards are relevant to the discussion. Handwaving, throwing out “whataboutism”, or otherwise ignoring them will not bring healing and unity.
Double standards are relevant to the discussion. However, when we all rightly mocked the "it was mostly peaceful" bullshit excuses earlier in the year, it's very disheartening to see that same excuse being used to handwave the gravity of the actions at the capitol, along with a version of "the other guys are worse".

Double standards aside, someone has to make a principled stand, even if it's not "fair", because we either believe in non-violent rule of law all the time in all circumstances, or we don't.
 

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Double standards are relevant to the discussion. However, when we all rightly mocked the "it was mostly peaceful" bullshit excuses earlier in the year, it's very disheartening to see that same excuse being used to handwave the gravity of the actions at the capitol, along with a version of "the other guys are worse".

Double standards aside, someone has to make a principled stand, even if it's not "fair", because we either believe in non-violent rule of law all the time in all circumstances, or we don't.

First of all, the law doesn't require you to be non-violent at all times. There's the concept of self-defense.

Second of all, pointing out double-standards is not condoning violence.

And it's a mighty far cry from "people do what people do" CACKLE CACKLE
 

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Double standards are relevant to the discussion. However, when we all rightly mocked the "it was mostly peaceful" bullshit excuses earlier in the year, it's very disheartening to see that same excuse being used to handwave the gravity of the actions at the capitol, along with a version of "the other guys are worse".

Double standards aside, someone has to make a principled stand, even if it's not "fair", because we either believe in non-violent rule of law all the time in all circumstances, or we don't.

Thankfully Mike Pence appears to be doing just that.
 
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First of all, the law doesn't require you to be non-violent at all times. There's the concept of self-defense.

Second of all, pointing out double-standards is not condoning violence.

And it's a mighty far cry from "people do what people do" CACKLE CACKLE
First of all, self defense is an important aspect to our society, but storming the capitol over imaginary grievances via angry mob does not fall under that purview.

Second of all, that's not how I characterized the reasonable acknowledgement of double standards in this particular case.
 

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I am paying attention. You brought up self defense, and I responded with the ways how self defense is and is not relevant to the topic at hand.

How it is relevant is that we are allowed to defend ourselves, meanwhile your post suggested we're not.

The violence on the 6th is not condoned.

The double standards are not missed.

What's difficult about this?
 
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How it is relevant is that we are allowed to defend ourselves, meanwhile your post suggested we're not.
It didn't suggest that we're not defending ourselves.

The violence on the 6th is not condoned.

The double standards are not missed.

What's difficult about this?
There's no easy answers, but it's not impossibly hard either. I don't feel some pressing need to qualify every condemnation comment with "the other side does it too" as if that makes a difference other than to point out how everyone's shitty.
 

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It didn't suggest that we're not defending ourselves.


There's no easy answers, but it's not impossibly hard either. I don't feel some pressing need to qualify every condemnation comment with "the other side does it too" as if that makes a difference other than to point out how everyone's shitty.

So should this be a bannable offense?
 
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EviLore

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*9/11 happens*
"I don't care. The Left and Antifa imperialist United States and CIA also loot and riot and murder kill thousands every year and destabilize countries..."

How would you expect that to fare on the boards back in 2001? This is the most significant terrorist act on US soil since 9/11.
 

O-N-E

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*9/11 happens*
"I don't care. The Left and Antifa imperialist United States and CIA also loot and riot and murder kill thousands every year and destabilize countries..."

How would you expect that to fare on the boards back in 2001? This is the most significant terrorist act on US soil since 9/11.

You mean significant because of the location, right? Because numbers-wise there's equal and much higher death tolls. since 9/11
 

JordanN

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*9/11 happens*
"I don't care. The Left and Antifa imperialist United States and CIA also loot and riot and murder kill thousands every year and destabilize countries..."

How would you expect that to fare on the boards back in 2001? This is the most significant terrorist act on US soil since 9/11.
Not a board, but reminds me of Bill Maher.

Although he got cancelled for it.

 
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hariseldon

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With regret I will no longer be posting on GAF (and no I won't be requesting a ban like a drama queen - I will simply log out and not come back). Unfortunately, after two years of quite correctly undoing bish's mistakes and increasing transparency, the new direction of travel is to repeat those same mistakes. There's an Einstein quote on that one. Whatever the cause of EL's change of attitude (and there has been a notable uptick in rudeness), be it fear or just deciding he doesn't need us any more after we got the site to critical mass, or maybe a genuine change of heart, it leaves us all walking on eggshells (just look at the reboot of clown world - a shadow of its former self). It's your ball pit, you get to run it how you want, and nothing any of us says will make the slightest difference, just as it didn't when people spoke up last time. It is what it is, I will miss GAF because it was truly awesome, but I fear it soon won't be. Good luck.
 

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With regret I will no longer be posting on GAF (and no I won't be requesting a ban like a drama queen - I will simply log out and not come back). Unfortunately, after two years of quite correctly undoing bish's mistakes and increasing transparency, the new direction of travel is to repeat those same mistakes. There's an Einstein quote on that one. Whatever the cause of EL's change of attitude (and there has been a notable uptick in rudeness), be it fear or just deciding he doesn't need us any more after we got the site to critical mass, or maybe a genuine change of heart, it leaves us all walking on eggshells (just look at the reboot of clown world - a shadow of its former self). It's your ball pit, you get to run it how you want, and nothing any of us says will make the slightest difference, just as it didn't when people spoke up last time. It is what it is, I will miss GAF because it was truly awesome, but I fear it soon won't be. Good luck.

The BritGAF army loses a General. All the best, pal.
 

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I had a lot of arguments with those defending the Capitol riot (which I see as terrorism as well).
I don't feel well about the massive bannings going on of those that don't share my view, though.

I liked about this place that we could "smash our heads in" over and about different views on stuff, and usually being fine with each other shortly after again.

I hope this evens out a bit when the dust has settled.
 

The Hamburglar

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*9/11 happens*
"I don't care. The Left and Antifa imperialist United States and CIA also loot and riot and murder kill thousands every year and destabilize countries..."

How would you expect that to fare on the boards back in 2001? This is the most significant terrorist act on US soil since 9/11.

its call selective double standard. All the BLM protests and violence is always condemned, discussed etc. As soon as the right do it, it’s as you say but what about the left antifa etc. On top of that the loons then post insane threads about how the woman who was shot was a staged left wing conspiracy to make trump supporters look bad, which you rightly locked.

where are all the threads blaming antifa violence on undercover trump supporters? That’s right there isn’t any.
 
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its call selective double standard. All the BLM protests and violence is always condemned, discussed etc. As soon as the right do it, it’s as you say but what about the left antifa etc. On top of that the loons then post insane threads about how the woman who was shot was a staged left wing conspiracy to make trump supporters look bad, which you rightly locked.

where are all the threads blaming antifa violence on undercover trump supporters? That’s right there isn’t any.

You can’t be serious
 

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Which part? Unless it was some mainstream source saying trump supporters are accused of pretending to be antifa- I’ve yet to see some crazy left wing gaf members make threads based on zero receipts or sources saying the same level of fud like the thread EL locked about the woman shot in the neck.
 
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Stiflers Mom

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On a side note, kind of funny that "Greasy Caveman" took so long to get banned.
I kind of expected it to happen up from his first post going on.
 
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Claus Grimhildyr

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With regret I will no longer be posting on GAF (and no I won't be requesting a ban like a drama queen - I will simply log out and not come back). Unfortunately, after two years of quite correctly undoing bish's mistakes and increasing transparency, the new direction of travel is to repeat those same mistakes. There's an Einstein quote on that one. Whatever the cause of EL's change of attitude (and there has been a notable uptick in rudeness), be it fear or just deciding he doesn't need us any more after we got the site to critical mass, or maybe a genuine change of heart, it leaves us all walking on eggshells (just look at the reboot of clown world - a shadow of its former self). It's your ball pit, you get to run it how you want, and nothing any of us says will make the slightest difference, just as it didn't when people spoke up last time. It is what it is, I will miss GAF because it was truly awesome, but I fear it soon won't be. Good luck.

I don’t get it. This is nothing like Bish or the old guard. The only major change is that you can’t bring up or push unsubstantiated claims - be it left or right. This has been and ongoing thing in the gaming side for months now (You know, the main focus of the site). You aren’t going to be banned for sharing a right/left leaning opinion, only if you are an extremist (Antifa supporter, white nationalist, etc), a constant ass, or if you keep pushing the aforementioned unsubstantiated claims.

You are literally making a mountain out of a molehill.
 
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