NeoGAF: Feedback for the article "Video Games Journalism, As Told by Che Chou"

Musashi Wins!

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Great interview with a great "local" personality. I look forward to seeing what Che is working on as XBN and the 1UP Show were very positive developments for a certain segment of gamers attention...ie. mine.

Go NeoGAF.
 
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Musashi Wins! said:
Great interview with a great "local" personality. I look forward to seeing what Che is working on as XBN and the 1UP Show were very positive developments for a certain segment of gamers attention...ie. mine.

Go NeoGAF.
Where do I post feedback on the site namechange to NeoGAF?
 
Dec 6, 2004
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I don't know him personally but I've read he's kind of a prick. Bitching about a $30,000+ a year salary makes me concur. Nice interview other than that. New name sucks.
 

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Andokuky said:
I don't know him personally but I've read he's kind of a prick. Bitching about a $30,000+ a year salary makes me concur. Nice interview other than that. New name sucks.
I don't know you personally but I've read you on GAF and you're kind of a prick. :)
 
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I thought it was a good interview, will read future interviews :)

And yeah, how is not being satisfied with 30k = prick? There's a reason I'm going to school, and it's not to be making 30k a year in the bay area...
 
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Himuro said:
How does that make someone a prick??
How does it not? Guess I just have different values than other people. I think it's funny to read someone bitching about making thousands a month to write about freakin videogames. I made a little over half of that last year and got along just fine.
 
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Meier said:
Seriously, it's frequently been referred to as Neo-GAF for the past 2 years. It's not like you can't just keep calling it GAF or something.
But but but....I like it.

Way to jump the gun, douche.

Oh, and I thought the interview was excellent.

Moneyhats confirmed. Che wears large one now at MS. j/k
 
Jun 10, 2004
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WasabiKing said:
Please free to post your thoughts about the article:

Video Games Journalism, As Told by Che Chou

Wasabi: Great read man, who conducted the interview? Is this the sort of thing we can look forward to on a reglar basis?


Overall I'm pleased with NeoGaf, and I think this will further establish GAF as one of the premier sources on the net for gaming coverage - bar none. Now with this centralized location, it'll be muh easier to locate important content (I hope). My main complaint is the login issues, and the huge amount of slowdown. But I'm sure you guys will address this soon.
 
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Good interview. What the man says is true -- no moneyhats. Reading this made me miss the days of sitting across from Che in the Oak Brook EGM offices, though. Good times. *sniffle*
 
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Andokuky said:
How does it not? Guess I just have different values than other people. I think it's funny to read someone bitching about making thousands a month to write about freakin videogames. I made a little over half of that last year and got along just fine.
:lol I have a feeling that you want to go down in history as NeoGAF's first ban.

Anyways, depending on where you live $30000 can be a very small salary indeed.
 
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Nice interview. I'm glad Che got the first NeoGaf interview... and now I understand how he is entrenched here. Looking forward to future interviews with some people like Oxy (element), Arne, Vark, SteveMeister, etc. Some GAF mods too and of course Gahgiddy & MAF.
 
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Trurl said:
:lol I have a feeling that you want to go down in history as NeoGAF's first ban.

Anyways, depending on where you live $30000 can be a very small salary indeed.
Why? Thoughts were asked to be posted, I obliged :lol
 
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35k being a complete "noob" my god, I started for 0 and I don´t reach that now after seven years (I have to add that freelance has this type of concerns, I ignore how is paid one that spend the day in the magazine office in my country). How I envy you :(

The interview has been really nice. Kudos.
 
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Great interview. I've been reading Che's work since his days at EGM in the late 90s, and it was interesting reading about his background.

I'm just worried no one will ever read these articles or interviews unless there is a thread made about it here first.
 
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Andokuky said:
I don't know him personally but I've read he's kind of a prick. Bitching about a $30,000+ a year salary makes me concur. Nice interview other than that. New name sucks.
You don't have the faintest fucking clue what you're talking about, not even a little

Granted, I do strategy guides, not magazine print media, but the same sort of deadlines and stresses are involved in either case.

To reiterate - not the faintest fucking clue
 
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Andokuky said:
How does it not? Guess I just have different values than other people. I think it's funny to read someone bitching about making thousands a month to write about freakin videogames. I made a little over half of that last year and got along just fine.
You survived on $15,000 last year? Where the hell do you live that you "get along just fine" on that salary?
 
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For all those who are saying he is a prick for complaining about the pay...

Writing articles, reviews, etc takes a lot of energy even if its about a video game. Sometimes its harder than it looks especially if it has to do video games as he said sometimes you can't even finish a game to write the review. I say 30 grand a year is nothing, especially now a days. I think video game reviewers should get paid at least 50 grand for all the freelancing and all the hardwork they have to do from day to day...

I'll take myself as an example, I maintain fansite and its a lot of work. I applaud GAF for maintaining a great site for so many years and having their own ideals. I had taste of the action last year, when I went to E3, most of the public may see all the fun side of seeing the games or getting to play them... But if you go to E3 to do work. Then its a whole other ball game. You put more hours in writing a review or your own views about a game than actually getting to enjoy the game itself, especially when you analyze it to other games out there. Its not an easy job, if you think it is then start writing an indepth review about a game that you hate but still in the same genre.... Try it out you may even like it and become the next Che Chou. Good luck.

Nice review Neo GAF and good luck with the site...
 
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Victrix said:
You don't have the faintest fucking clue what you're talking about, not even a little

Granted, I do strategy guides, not magazine print media, but the same sort of deadlines and stresses are involved in either case.

To reiterate - not the faintest fucking clue
Sure I do. I don't care what you do or where you work because I know what he did and where he worked. He made more than most teachers do just deal with videogames and write about them. Furthermore, the work was not discussed, only how he managed to somehow scrape by on such a small amount of income. He must have been on 4 or 5 welfare programs. I guess it's kind of pointless talking about it here on this website now but oh well, I won't post about it anymore, we can just agree to disagree although I think if it were anyone else no one would be tangling their panties over what I said.
 
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You don't have the faintest fucking clue what you're talking about, not even a little
When you see someone saying the "paid for playing games lucky bastard dadadaduh" you should know that is better leave him alone.

I have a little concern about Che vision of travels. Is great Ziff Davis have that policy, wish more companies have the resources and will to do it, but I don´t see how that could affect my view of a game. In fact they use to be quite stressful (you go to assist a presentation or playing a demo, and use to stay one day and one night, no more, I use to spend more time in planes that in the place). I know there are legends of luxury travels, and yes, there are, but few. Most of the times is just about choosing a city in which is comfortable for developers, producers and journalists from Europe to come.

For companies is cheaper and waste less time to make just a meeting with developers in one city of Europe than making 11 presentations in 11 different countries. So if we want to cover that presentation, we must assist. Mags in my country doen´t have as much resources as american ones, it would be impossible to cover that events without publishers assistance. So we let ourselves to get invited in order to cover that.

I think I´m very fair about reviews, and you can believe me that travels doen´t change my vision (in fact I have travelled to some places for a first look of games that at the hour of review got a meh score). But you can believe me or not.
 
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are people with these outlandish complaints just uninformed or naive? to think that 35k is not something to be bummed about is something that someone in high school and has no understanding of the world would say. or possibly someone who lives in some tiny middle of nowhere town. why can't people just be happy for the guy? jealous or soemthing?

great read and defintely a good way to start out the front page.
 

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Great interview. Excellent idea to interview Che to start everything off- like someone said, he's a "local" favorite, and he's also a very articulate and down to earth guy that always has something interesting to say. Hopefully he'll stick around and write a couple of articles every now and then.

As for the bitching about the $35k job- I'd say that's a long ways off from pitiful. I'd place that distinction on getting paid about $10k to $12k less than that for the same amount of work. You also have to take into account that video games journalism was something that Che really loved (to start off with, anyway)- which is more than worth the pay cut from a menial job like the one he described at Netscape.

I think a lot of people here get paid quite well and often forget what a pitiful paycheck really is. It can be somewhat frustrating to someone such as myself in that lower income bracket to hear about people calling their pay "pitiful" when in reality, it is far from it.

Now, that pay is obviously low in terms of the scale of games journalism- which is fine. I think that what's standing out in people's minds is the word "pitiful", whereas if Che had said, "The pay wasn't nearly as great as some people think", that'd be something different entirely, as it would imply that he meant "in his field" as opposed to the nationwide job market in general.
 
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Well, the author is the only mod/admin who outdrink all you bitches, me! Did the end not give it away? Who else would find a place in some article to pimp some beer company, lol.

The entire moderator and adminstration staff got together months ago to discuss the goal of NeoGAF. There are far too many sites out there that do reviews, so we kind of nixed that idea. So we decided to do something different. Also, remember that old interview request thread? ;)

Just some thoughts: $35,000 is really nothing here in the SF Bay Area. Apartments can run up to $1200/month. So you're looking at $14,400 a year. Now, let's couple in food, utilities, and if you own a car, you get reamed by gas at $3 a gallon AND insurance. Again, I can't speak for everyone in San Francisco, but cost of living is atrocious, yet I can't see myself leaving.

Also, EviLore is the Editor-in-Chief, and we've got some interesting pieces lined up. I'm still only a marketing guy, so this was like, a special instance. I don't think I'll be writing a ton, this was just a fun discussion, if anything. Then again, I did say that I wouldn't get involved with moderating politics, lol.

Thanks for the kind words. We appreciate the feedback.
 
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Really nice article. You should go after some of the other NeoGAF posters who are in the industry. Such as I would love to see if you guys could get an interview with Gaybrush Threepio who works at Nintendo of Europe like ask what he does, what a daily work day at NOE is like...etc
 

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WasabiKing said:
The entire moderator and adminstration staff got together months ago to discuss the goal of NeoGAF. There are far too many sites out there that do reviews, so we kind of nixed that idea. So we decided to do something different. Also, remember that old interview request thread? ;)
I guess that means I'll be checking the front page more often.

*subscribes to RSS feed*
 
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Kabuki Waq said:
great interview pretty candid but not enought mud slinging.
He was being diplomatic. He who slings mud oftentimes has it hurled back in his face.

As for the salary debate, writing and editing is hard work, regardless of the subject matter. Video game magazine and web site editors are often paid very little to do what they do with the idea being if they don't like it, they can get the hell out.

Most game magazines and Web sites are also located in San Francisco, which is one of the world's most expensive places to live. As an example, it's almost impossible to find a studio apartment (let alone a one-bedroom) for less than $1,000.
 
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MC Safety said:
He was being diplomatic. He who slings mud oftentimes has it hurled back in his face.

As for the salary debate, writing and editing is hard work, regardless of the subject matter. Video game magazine and web site editors are often paid very little to do what they do with the idea being if they don't like it, they can get the hell out.

Most game magazines and Web sites are also located in San Francisco, which is one of the world's most expensive places to live. As an example, it's almost impossible to find a studio apartment (let alone a one-bedroom) for less than $1,000.
HAHAHAH!! 1000$ one bedroom? i dont think we even have those at the older rent control places. im absolutely dumbfounded by some of these claims about salary. :(
 

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WasabiKing said:
Well, the author is the only mod/admin who outdrink all you bitches, me! Did the end not give it away? Who else would find a place in some article to pimp some beer company, lol.

The entire moderator and adminstration staff got together months ago to discuss the goal of NeoGAF. There are far too many sites out there that do reviews, so we kind of nixed that idea. So we decided to do something different. Also, remember that old interview request thread? ;)

Just some thoughts: $35,000 is really nothing here in the SF Bay Area. Apartments can run up to $1200/month. So you're looking at $14,400 a year. Now, let's couple in food, utilities, and if you own a car, you get reamed by gas at $3 a gallon AND insurance. Again, I can't speak for everyone in San Francisco, but cost of living is atrocious, yet I can't see myself leaving.

Also, EviLore is the Editor-in-Chief, and we've got some interesting pieces lined up. I'm still only a marketing guy, so this was like, a special instance. I don't think I'll be writing a ton, this was just a fun discussion, if anything. Then again, I did say that I wouldn't get involved with moderating politics, lol.

Thanks for the kind words. We appreciate the feedback.
I think the mimimum wage set by San Francisco is $11.75/hr, which (with a 40 hour work week) translates into $22,560. That's still over $10,000 below what was described in the article.

I'm not trying to argue that $35k is a "ton of money" by any means- I'm just pointing out that those of us on the low end of the pay scale find it frustrating when people refer to a wage that high as "pitiful", when in reality it is far from it.

All that aside- great work. There's a reason GAF is thought of in such high regard, and you are only continuing to improve on it.