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NeoGAF's Political Leanings

Arkage

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I decided to take a peak tonight at the front page and upon looking through the threads was inspired to create this one. I'm going to tally up what the front page looks like in context of American politics. The first two categories are if the OP implies support/disdain for a left or right political lean. The title of the thread is italicized, with a small description of the content lean in the OP I found relevant to the filter.

Lean Right/Anti-Left(17)
Trump Admin ending legal aid; defends Trump
Vox reporter pushing; title implies ban was wrong
3 people, including child; title criticizes the left
Clown World Thread: devoted for criticizing the left
The Times: 37%; Criticizes leftest language
Biden unveils; criticizes perceived leftist hypocrisy
Yikes, time to cancel; criticizes leftist twitter
AOC Flashes "White; mocking leftist understanding of symbol
Dossier author; criticizes Mueller in Trumpian terms
Donald Trump Calls; Criticizes left, supports Trump
Report: NBA; references Clown World OP
UK Nanny State; criticizes concepts used by both UK/US left (manspreading)
New twitter outrage; criticizes leftist cities/BLM
Kotaku just edited; compares transgender article editing for sensitivity reasons to Orwell
Trump's approval; mocks calls for impeachment
Interview: Jordan Peterson; recommends video/speaker that primarily criticizes left
The mass shooting; criticizes leftists for lack of interest due to black perp

Lean Left/Anti-Right(2)
I now support; praises Democratic proposal
Do you think Trump; claims tariffs are for Trump's personal gain

What about OP's that don't include a specific political bias? I sort them by which political lean the narrative is in general service to.

Supports Right Narrative (9)
Why I left Antifa
Dutch Law allows
UK Muslims protesting
What if it's all true?
Laura Southern's
Daily Beast accused
At least in US
Strzok-Page emails
Ex-Trump Lawyer


Supports Left Narrative(2)
A race-based genocide
When They See Us



Neutral or Both or NA (10)
Are "Themed Months"
Coward Broward County
The Appetite of Tyranny
Teacher joins the Unemployment
The spanish persecution
Trump says us
Australian Federal
Is political acts
German Intel
Ted Cruz and Alexandria


So the front page of Gaf's political section tonight was 65% lean right, 10% lean left, and 25% in the Neutral/Both/NA categories by my own personal estimation. It would also be interesting to take a look at the first page of each thread to see the ratios from each particular political spectrum. I'm guessing the general ratios would carry over, and likely be more extreme than the thread ratios.

Is this substantial lean a problem? Is it a de facto echo chamber, albeit not a mod enforced one? Or is this fine and just how the free marketplace of ideas works? If it is a problem, what are possible solutions beyond me and scant few others pulling the weight for the other 50% of American political views?
 
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pramod

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An echo chamber is when there's zilch zero nada topics from the opposite point of view, like the other place.
 
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OptimusApex

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Criticizing the left isn't the same as being right wing. Think of it as a spectrum, rather than binary.

Frankly, it's amazing you spent so much effort to produce something so worthless, when the obvious answer would've saved you a bunch of time and trouble.
Criticism and showing support are two different things.
 

Nobody_Important

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Gaf leaning Right is nothing new and in itself is not a problem really. After the vast majority of Left leaning members left due to the exodus that would naturally leave mostly Right leaning members so most threads and topics would naturally lean to the right. No online community is ever gonna be perfectly 50/50 anyway. So Gaf leaning right isn't really one of its main problems or at least I wouldn't call it one. Gaf certainly does have other problems though.
 
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the authoritarians are gone, the pendulum has swung

you shouldn't be wanting for a some strange equitable quota, that's weird and unhealthy

if you look where most of us fall on the political compass, it ain't anywhere near the right
your labeling of various threads is preposterous, it's not that simple
 
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Makariel

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Supports Right Narrative (9)
Why I left Antifa
[...]
UK Muslims protesting
[...]
I'm not sure about your classifications. I'm not spending much time in the politics section, because quite frankly I have better things to do with my life, but the Muslim protesting thread just had an update and doesn't strike me as particularly supporting the "right narrative". It's about freedom of speech being used by those who want to limit it with little effect. As I wrote in that thread, they could have kept waving their funny signs around as long as everyone can keep ignoring them. They have now been told off by high court after staff and children's safety was being threatened, which is a line not to cross. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence. I don't see how this feeds into the "right narrative", unless the "right narrative" is that Muslims are not allowed to protest once they start threatening people? Would be news to me, but I'm not on the right so have limited insight into the presumed right hive mind and their narrative (because as we all know there are no individuals on this planet, only "left" versus "right" :p).

Antifa is representative of the "extreme left" of the spectrum, so much that they comes across as outright faschist (the irony of which still seems lost to the typical Antifa member). I don't think they are supported by the majority of left-leaning people (admitteldy I have no data on that and frankly don't care enough about Antifa to look it up). I sure as hell don't support them. Antifa today are just a weird fringe group and not a secret army to spread socialism to the world. It's a bit difficult to convince folks of the benefits of free healthcare for all by throwing bricks through shop windows. So someone leaving Antifa and talking about the benefits of free speech is not exactly "right wing" in my view, unless you believe the nonsensical right wing narrative that anyone on "the left" would be opposed to free speech out of dogma. To which I say: lol.
 

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Clown World Thread: devoted for criticizing the left
I've posted stuff in that thread that took the piss out of the right & both the left & right. Recently there was something posted in there about Fox News thinking the metric system is evil.

Yes, it's mainly making fun of SJWs and their ilk, but it's not all lefty bashing. It's more modern idiot bashing.
 

AV

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Meh, this is just threads made. Doesn't indicate squat. Tyler made a political compass thread after the exodus and from what I remember the majority of people that responded actually fell left of the line.

Now, maybe the compass test isn't 100% accurate at positioning people, but I think it's a least a rough estimate. I think it'd be pretty interesting if we did some new type of census, but it'd have to be way more verbose than "Left/Right?"
 

autoduelist

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Free speech is not right wing. It only became a 'far right' concept 5 years ago.

George Carlin is a liberal icon. He has entire bits on the importance of free speech, why rape jokes are funny, on the difference between jokes and hate using every slur in the book. The left embraced all this.... heck, the left brought us truly edgy humor, the left always pushed those boundaries.

But the left now are in a love affair with authoritarianism. Everyone else isn't to the right of you. You're just speeding off a cliff, and so everyone else is waving in your rearview trying to get you to stop, but y'all so deep you think the waving is a Nazi salute and become even more determined to crash and burn.
 

GrizzleBoy

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Given that its mostly the same group of like 10 people posting at or about each other in the politics forum, I don't know if you can apply that to all of GAF.

People seem quite quick to vanquish politics out of the other forums.

The politics forum though is quite obviously right leaning in its overall narrative though.
 
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Given that its mostly the same group of like 10 people posting at or about each other in the politics forum, I don't know if you can apply that to all of GAF.

People seem quite quick to vanquish politics out of the other forums.

The politics forum though is quite obviously right leaning in its overall narrative though.
Someone should do something about it.
 

Nobody_Important

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Can you elaborate on these problems you are alluding to? I don’t like vague aspersions. Either say what you mean or shut up.

I hope it’s me
Well its not just you specifically, but you are definitely a part of the problem. The Politics section seems to be set aside from the rest of the forum and is not held to the same standards of conduct when it comes to how members treat each other. People (myself included) are allowed to freely break the rules regarding their treatment of others with seemingly little to no oversight by the staff or the rest of the community. I rarely if ever see warnings issued towards certain members when they are insulting others. All of this despite the fact the rules are fairly explicit on the subject.


For example this is in the ToS of NeoGaf

Terms of Service said:
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use NeoGAF to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of any law. Sexual, racial, or ethnic slurs will not be tolerated in any form and are bannable on the first offense. It is recommended that profanity be held to a minimum in order to keep the level of discourse high, and profanity should not be used when addressing others.

And yet in just the past week or so I have had comments like these directed at me.

Murdered by words.

The dishonest little cunt will never respond to this.
This is when your retarded partisan derpiness comes out.

There are just as many liberals that support the 2A and right to defend their person. Stop acting like a little disingenuous bitch.

Now I am no rocket scientist, but I think its safe to say those break the terms of service that I just quoted and yet nothing happens when you report them or similar posts. Those are just the latest examples and this is a pattern of behavior that has been going on for months towards myself and others. OptimusApex OptimusApex Yoshi Yoshi ssolitare ssolitare Arkage Arkage Ailynn Ailynn DeafTourette DeafTourette <+)O Robido O(+> <+)O Robido O(+> and others have experienced insults, disrespect, or harassment in one form or another at one time or another since I first made my account. And thats not even including the members who are no longer apart of the site who were banned or left of their own volition. Also I am not saying that myself or any of the people I listed have not broken the same rules in the past or that we should not be held to the same standard of conduct. Far from it. I know for a fact that I myself have crossed that line on a handful of occasions when things have gotten particularly contentious and heated. And I should have been warned or maybe even banned for such conduct depending on exactly what I said and the way I said it according to the rules.



But the thing is that if the rules are being enforced from the start and being enforced evenly across the board regardless of who says it and when then maybe things would not get that heated or contentious in the first place. If members were required to treat each other with respect from the start even if they disagree with each other then maybe we would have more discussions and less name-calling. The Politics section could become a place where differing points of view are actually discussed between people rather than thrown at each other. And I will be the first to say that I am guilty of that as well. My only defense for myself is that its just a bit hard to maintain decorum and respect in a place that shows none to you or others. And its hard to have the desire to have honest and balanced discussion when you are being called things like "retard", "dishonest cunt" or a "Disingenuous bitch". Especially when you know that its against the rules in the first place.



The entire point of having rules on a forum is that people are forced to follow them in order to maintain a healthy discourse. Otherwise it just devolves into trolling and flaming between opposing sides which more often than not it tends to do these days in this section. And I am including myself in the trolling and flaming when I say that because I know I am just as guilty of it as anyone else. But that isn't what I want to do. I want the section be what its meant to be. A place for the discussion of politics between people of opposing viewpoints. But right now its more akin to a gladiator arena where two opinions enter and only one is allowed to leave and the winner is whoever can yell the loudest and be the most disrespectful to their opponent. And its because for some reason the Politics section is seemingly held to a different standard of conduct.



And to be clear I am not laying this solely at the feet of the staff either. The mods I have interacted with all seem to be pretty reasonable and understanding for the most part. And I see them executing their duties and keeping the peace just fine all over the forum, but the Politics Section is like being on a another forum entirely. No other section has as much rampant vitriol and disrespect towards others. But like I said I am not just laying this at the feet of the staff. It also comes down to the community to police itself and hold each other accountable for their own behavior. If we were to hold each other to a certain standard of conduct and behavior then I feel that would lead to much healthier level of discourse rather than the glorified pissing matches that some threads seem to devolve into at times. Otherwise its not really a community. Its just a motley crew of members yelling at each other and that isn't really a good way to have discussions.



TL;DR: It would be nice if the rules regarding treatment of other members were constantly and evenly enforced on all sides in the politics section. I think it would lead to healthier discourse in the section and lead to less "You vs Me" kind of attitudes between members. A fresh reboot of the section and its guidelines would be nice and lead to alot less hostility across the board I think and would encourage members from other parts of the forum who may not ever come to this section to join the discourse and possibly be able provide a new perspective or viewpoint. That way new members and old members can both start fresh and maybe not be as hostile towards one and other.
 
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matt404au

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Well its not just you specifically, but you are definitely a part of the problem. The Politics section seems to be set aside from the rest of the forum and is not held to the same standards of conduct when it comes to how members treat each other. People (myself included) are allowed to freely break the rules regarding their treatment of others with seemingly little to no oversight by the staff or the rest of the community. I rarely if ever see warnings issued towards certain members when they are insulting others. All of this despite the fact the rules are fairly explicit on the subject.


For example this is in the ToS of NeoGaf




And yet in just the past week or so I have had comments like these directed at me.






Now I am no rocket scientist, but I think its safe to say those break the terms of service that I just quoted and yet nothing happens when you report them or similar posts. Those are just the latest examples and this is a pattern of behavior that has been going on for months towards myself and others. OptimusApex OptimusApex Yoshi Yoshi ssolitare ssolitare Arkage Arkage Ailynn Ailynn DeafTourette DeafTourette <+)O Robido O(+> <+)O Robido O(+> and others have experienced insults, disrespect, or harassment in one form or another at one time or another since I first made my account. And thats not even including the members who are no longer apart of the site who were banned or left of their own volition. Also I am not saying that myself or any of the people I listed have not broken the same rules in the past or that we should not be held to the same standard of conduct. Far from it. I know for a fact that I myself have crossed that line on a handful of occasions when things have gotten particularly contentious and heated. And I should have been warned or maybe even banned for such conduct depending on exactly what I said and the way I said it according to the rules.



But the thing is that if the rules are being enforced from the start and being enforced evenly across the board regardless of who says it and when then maybe things would not get that heated or contentious in the first place. If members were required to treat each other with respect from the start even if they disagree with each other then maybe we would have more discussions and less name-calling. The Politics section could become a place where differing points of view are actually discussed between people rather than thrown at each other. And I will be the first to say that I am guilty of that as well. My only defense for myself is that its just a bit hard to maintain decorum and respect in a place that shows none to you or others. And its hard to have the desire to have honest and balanced discussion when you are being called things like "retard", "dishonest cunt" or a "Disingenuous bitch". Especially when you know that its against the rules in the first place.



The entire point of having rules on a forum is that people are forced to follow them in order to maintain a healthy discourse. Otherwise it just devolves into trolling and flaming between opposing sides which more often than not it tends to do these days in this section. And I am including myself in the trolling and flaming when I say that because I know I am just as guilty of it as anyone else. But that isn't what I want to do. I want the section be what its meant to be. A place for the discussion of politics between people of opposing viewpoints. But right now its more akin to a gladiator arena where two opinions enter and only one is allowed to leave and the winner is whoever can yell the loudest and be the most disrespectful to their opponent. And its because for some reason the Politics section is seemingly held to a different standard of conduct.



And to be clear I am not laying this solely at the feet of the staff either. The mods I have interacted with all seem to be pretty reasonable and understanding for the most part. And I see them executing their duties and keeping the peace just fine all over the forum, but the Politics Section is like being on a another forum entirely. No other section has as much rampant vitriol and disrespect towards others. But like I said I am not just laying thsi at the feet of the staff. It also comes down to the community to police itself and hold each other accountable for their own behavior. If we were to hold each other to a certain standard of conduct and behavior then I feel that would lead to much healthier level of discourse rather than the glorified pissing matches that some threads seem to devolve into at times. Otherwise its not really a community. Its just a motley crew of members yelling at each other and that isn't really a good way to have discussions.



TL;DR: It would be nice if the rules regarding treatment of other members were constantly and evenly enforced on all sides in the politics section. I think it would lead to healthier discourse in the section and lead to less "You vs Me" kind of attitudes between members. A fresh reboot of the section and its guidelines would be nice and lead to alot less hostility across the board I think and would encourage members from other parts of the forum who may not ever come to this section to join the discourse and possibly be able provide a new perspective or viewpoint.
Maybe they’re learning what happens when you allow dishonest little cunts to parade around a victimhood shield to mask more subtly insidious behaviours.
 

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I think even with increased / revamped moderation (from mods and users), there has to be more leeway as to what flies in politics than elsewhere on the site. Political differences inherently stoke more of a visceral reaction in people and it's way easier to bait people into rage fits that lead to bans than it is on the gaming forum. I think in the grand scheme of things a little name calling is healthy when you're arguing about genuinely important issues, at least healthier than bottling it up, as long as it doesn't devolve into nothing but mudslinging. Applies to everyone.
 
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you guys are derailing the thread!

Oh well, that’s free speech right

*ops frustrating intensifies
 
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Nobody_Important

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I think even with increased / revamped moderation (from mods and users), there has to be more leeway as to what flies in politics than elsewhere on the site. Political differences inherently stoke more of a visceral reaction in people and it's way easier to bait people into rage fits that lead to bans than it is on the gaming forum. I think in the grand scheme of things a little name calling is healthy when you're arguing about genuinely important issues, at least healthier than bottling it up, as long as it doesn't devolve into nothing but mudslinging. Applies to everyone.
And I agree. I am fine with the usual jabs and snarky comments that will always be a part of forum discussions. Its just when things cross the line like in the examples I provided that I have an issue. Because then it goes from the usual back and forth to downright hostility. It goes from being a simple disagreement to a bias against that person and their views or maybe even a grudge if the person is petty enough. And I feel like that is not really productive. Because then people will take it personal and be less willing to hear that person out in the next thread which makes that thread less productive and it just snowballs from there.
 
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TL;DR: It would be nice if the rules regarding treatment of other members were constantly and evenly enforced on all sides in the politics section.
So it's because the authorities are not meting out justice as you deem appropriate.
Riiight.

Immediately followed by:
I think it would lead to healthier discourse in the section and lead to less "You vs Me" kind of attitudes between members.
A noble sentiment, to be sure.

I guess that's why your essay starts with:
Well its not just you specifically, but you are definitely a part of the problem.
:unsure:
 

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And I agree. I am fine with the usual jabs and snarky comments that will always be a part of forum discussions. Its just when things cross the line like in the examples I provided that I have an issue. Because then it goes from the usual back and forth to downright hostility. It goes from being a simple disagreement to a bias against that person and their views or maybe even a grudge if the person is petty enough. And I feel like that is not really productive. Because then people will take it personal and be less willing to hear that person out in the next thread which makes that thread less productive and it just snowballs from there.
Look at you trying to take the high road when you previously said:

I get that small views may change, but I will be Left until the day I die. I would kill myself before I supported anything remotely Right leaning because I would know that will have lost my humanity if it ever came to that.
+ Kavanaugh
+ Covington
+ Smollett
+ Russia

You’re a walking punchline but you can’t see it.
 
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Nobody_Important

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So it's because the authorities are not meting out justice as you deem appropriate.
Riiight.
I included myself in that statement multiple times.

Immediately followed by:

A noble sentiment, to be sure.

I guess that's why your essay starts with:
:unsure:
That is just me being honest. Matt asked me what the problem was and then sarcastically mentioned that he hoped it was him. And I just wanted to make it clear that he is not the problem. Just part of it. And like I said so am I. So are alot of people in this section. Not everyone obviously. But enough of them to make the section into what its become. Matt asked me what I thought the problem was and I answered.
 

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Some people have a lust to fabricate the alt-right sometimes just to give the former a shine in their lives.

Must be crazy love.
 

OptimusApex

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Well its not just you specifically, but you are definitely a part of the problem. The Politics section seems to be set aside from the rest of the forum and is not held to the same standards of conduct when it comes to how members treat each other. People (myself included) are allowed to freely break the rules regarding their treatment of others with seemingly little to no oversight by the staff or the rest of the community. I rarely if ever see warnings issued towards certain members when they are insulting others. All of this despite the fact the rules are fairly explicit on the subject.


For example this is in the ToS of NeoGaf




And yet in just the past week or so I have had comments like these directed at me.






Now I am no rocket scientist, but I think its safe to say those break the terms of service that I just quoted and yet nothing happens when you report them or similar posts. Those are just the latest examples and this is a pattern of behavior that has been going on for months towards myself and others. OptimusApex OptimusApex Yoshi Yoshi ssolitare ssolitare Arkage Arkage Ailynn Ailynn DeafTourette DeafTourette <+)O Robido O(+> <+)O Robido O(+> and others have experienced insults, disrespect, or harassment in one form or another at one time or another since I first made my account. And thats not even including the members who are no longer apart of the site who were banned or left of their own volition. Also I am not saying that myself or any of the people I listed have not broken the same rules in the past or that we should not be held to the same standard of conduct. Far from it. I know for a fact that I myself have crossed that line on a handful of occasions when things have gotten particularly contentious and heated. And I should have been warned or maybe even banned for such conduct depending on exactly what I said and the way I said it according to the rules.



But the thing is that if the rules are being enforced from the start and being enforced evenly across the board regardless of who says it and when then maybe things would not get that heated or contentious in the first place. If members were required to treat each other with respect from the start even if they disagree with each other then maybe we would have more discussions and less name-calling. The Politics section could become a place where differing points of view are actually discussed between people rather than thrown at each other. And I will be the first to say that I am guilty of that as well. My only defense for myself is that its just a bit hard to maintain decorum and respect in a place that shows none to you or others. And its hard to have the desire to have honest and balanced discussion when you are being called things like "retard", "dishonest cunt" or a "Disingenuous bitch". Especially when you know that its against the rules in the first place.



The entire point of having rules on a forum is that people are forced to follow them in order to maintain a healthy discourse. Otherwise it just devolves into trolling and flaming between opposing sides which more often than not it tends to do these days in this section. And I am including myself in the trolling and flaming when I say that because I know I am just as guilty of it as anyone else. But that isn't what I want to do. I want the section be what its meant to be. A place for the discussion of politics between people of opposing viewpoints. But right now its more akin to a gladiator arena where two opinions enter and only one is allowed to leave and the winner is whoever can yell the loudest and be the most disrespectful to their opponent. And its because for some reason the Politics section is seemingly held to a different standard of conduct.



And to be clear I am not laying this solely at the feet of the staff either. The mods I have interacted with all seem to be pretty reasonable and understanding for the most part. And I see them executing their duties and keeping the peace just fine all over the forum, but the Politics Section is like being on a another forum entirely. No other section has as much rampant vitriol and disrespect towards others. But like I said I am not just laying this at the feet of the staff. It also comes down to the community to police itself and hold each other accountable for their own behavior. If we were to hold each other to a certain standard of conduct and behavior then I feel that would lead to much healthier level of discourse rather than the glorified pissing matches that some threads seem to devolve into at times. Otherwise its not really a community. Its just a motley crew of members yelling at each other and that isn't really a good way to have discussions.



TL;DR: It would be nice if the rules regarding treatment of other members were constantly and evenly enforced on all sides in the politics section. I think it would lead to healthier discourse in the section and lead to less "You vs Me" kind of attitudes between members. A fresh reboot of the section and its guidelines would be nice and lead to alot less hostility across the board I think and would encourage members from other parts of the forum who may not ever come to this section to join the discourse and possibly be able provide a new perspective or viewpoint. That way new members and old members can both start fresh and maybe not be as hostile towards one and other.
This is Truth. I remeber after the split there was a time when things seemed more civil and Dogpilling never happened..Thats changed.

Users like Solomeena Solomeena just attack and attack .. They dont bother asking questions or are intrested in actual conversation. Just a shouting match.
 

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Gaf leaning Right is nothing new and in itself is not a problem really. After the vast majority of Left leaning members left due to the exodus that would naturally leave mostly Right leaning members so most threads and topics would naturally lean to the right. No online community is ever gonna be perfectly 50/50 anyway. So Gaf leaning right isn't really one of its main problems or at least I wouldn't call it one. Gaf certainly does have other problems though.
Any righties on this site prior to the exodus were in hiding. They weren't allowed to express their views.
 
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Look at you trying to take the high road when you previously said
By all means lets do that.

+ Kavanaugh
Never changed my mind on that because in my opinion the evidence showed that at the very least something nefarious occurred and I believe that should disqualify someone from such a key position of government. So that is true.

+ Covington
Admitted I was wrong multiple times.

+ Smollett
Admitted I was wrong multiple times and even switched sides in order to hope that he gets jailtime for what he did. And I still do. So that is a toothless accusation.

Not really sure if you are referring to collusion or Russian interference here. So I am not sure which to talk about.

You’re a walking punchline but you can’t see it.
You continuing to list my views and insult me for them is just proving my point and is exactly the problem that I am talking about, but you can't see it. The point of the section should be to discuss opinions and viewpoints not flame or insult people for them. And once again I am saying that I know full well I am part of that problem as well. I know I have done that in the past. But that doesn't make me wrong when I say things shouldn't be that way.


Any righties on this site prior to the exodus were in hiding. They weren't allowed to express their views.
I know? I am not saying they shouldn't be allowed to. Quite the opposite actually. As long as it fits within the rules of the forum and its not offensive to my own viewpoints or opinions I could care less what people wanna talk about. And even then I will just be interested in giving my two cents because unless it blatantly racist, homophobic, or whatever I think people should be able to share their views on it even if I disagree with it.
 
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I think even with increased / revamped moderation (from mods and users), there has to be more leeway as to what flies in politics than elsewhere on the site. Political differences inherently stoke more of a visceral reaction in people and it's way easier to bait people into rage fits that lead to bans than it is on the gaming forum. I think in the grand scheme of things a little name calling is healthy when you're arguing about genuinely important issues, at least healthier than bottling it up, as long as it doesn't devolve into nothing but mudslinging. Applies to everyone.
I feel on the contrary that with sensible issues that greatly affect the lives of all, most or many people, it is important to be respectful to each other. Argue strongly, even heatedly, but do not get personal. Someone has a strange political position? Try to understand it, try to argue with it, try to make him understand your pov, find mutual grounds, identify core differences and where people come from. Do not shout others down, because this is just hostile and not productive. Due to the wide-raching implications of many political issues, it is important to consider that people more easily can get hurt than if a mere video game is being discussed.
 

JordanN

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Remember how Stephen Colbert once said "reality has a liberal bias"? Well I think we're now living in the opposite. Being right-wing is now considered the natural order of things and going to far-left is rebelling against that.

There are 2 genders.
Police aren't evil.
Borders need to be controlled.
Smaller government is always better.
Guns are a right.
Abortion is [generally] disgusting.
Globalism drives up unemployment and props up dictatorships like China

The only thing the Right is really missing is more support for Environmentalism/Climate Change, although we did see a lot of Environment acts being passed by Richard Nixon.
 
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GrizzleBoy

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This is Truth. I remeber after the split there was a time when things seemed more civil and Dogpilling never happened..Thats changed.
Mhmm.

I remember when nugaf was proud of having civil discourse and was happy about having a more friendly atmosphere.

But slowly and surely the place is devolving into exactly the same things that many used to criticise.

Post history searching? Criticised. Now it's okay because it's from the different direction.

Singling out individuals who don't follow the popular opinion? Criticised, but it's okay now its from a different direction. "But they were wrong!" wasn't an acceptable excuse before.

Obvious political narratives and agendas?

Labelling and identity politics?

"Doom and gloom" threads that apparently don't really reflect a reality, but whip up anxiety etc?

Selective criticism based on whether in the "in" crowd or not? Ignoring the same or worse behaviour if on the same team?


TL;DR Nugaf politics tried but failed to be something other than an unmoderated Internet community. Turns out it is in fact an unmoderated internet community and displays all the same qualities of Internet communities.

It's alright though, doesn't need to change, just no point being in denial about it.
 
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Feel free to post more threads defending Antifa or summarizing red baiting witch hunts. I also enjoy threads based on specious articles that backfire spectacularly. Be the change you want to see.
I largely agree.

Assuming that all established members have equal posting and thread-creation permissions then we all have the means at our disposal to address concerns of imbalance / leaning. We just create a topic that's relevant to the Politics area and that we'd like to discuss with others.

Of course, if the current membership leans more to one direction than the other, there may not be much traction.
To which I say "If you build post it, they will come".

And with the new policy that applies to Politics, requiring members to have met a certain level of forum maturity, it would mean that those that do come are more likely to engage in topics sincerely.

There is literally nothing to lose. And we as a community have everything to gain.